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But that requires me thinking about the potential consequences for my words when used publicly rather than pretending social media is some bubble where I can be a bigoted asshole with zero real world repercussions.

You would need to be friends only with other bigoted assholes for that to work though

but seriously, if HR has a problem with it, then they will have a problem with it, simple as
 
It is definitely not the norm in Ireland. I've worked for the big 4 and now a major multinational insurance company. I've done interviews with other major entities. Never once was I asked about social media.

I've also been on the other side. Conducting interviews with people. Social media was never brought up.

I find it weird they'd even ask.

Oh I misunderstood. No, they won't ask you directly, I agree there. They will just check in the background. If you worked for the big 4, I guarantee you they will have done it as part of your background check.
 
What do you think about people who post racist memes on social media? Are they brave?

An honest question.

Nope, i think they are dumb fucks.
Also, i think when it's clear that someone is spreading hate and really thinks they are superiour to black people, etc. ,they should get reported because i wouldn't want to work in the same space with people like that. Same for people who harass other people.

In this case, i think the guy might just be a bit ignorant. I don't read hate from his message, or white supremacy. Just stupidity. So for me personally, it would be a bit too soon to call him an evil racist. Ofcourse that's a personal judgement we all make. He could very well be a racist in his core. A lot of other people think it's (this particular Facebook post) enough to ruin his life. I'm not quite there yet. I would have talked to him about what he said and would have asked why he thought it would be okay to say it that way.
 
I mean, well with how frequently this guy seems to spout bad opinions and stances on his FB, it was only a matter of time before SOMEONE called him out on his shit. If it wasn't you, it would have eventually had been someone else.

I think if I were in this situation, if the guy was overtly letting his world views influence how he does his job (whatever that may be..), then I think reporting him to HR is fine. Though I'm not sure how far a bad meme he posted on FB will get him.

To the people of this thread chastising OP for reporting him, I think to some degree, if someone's opinions bother you that much, I think you're fine for reporting a person. At some point you begin to feel uncomfortable with a person, and that carries over into the workplace.
 
Wait how is getting attacked fired ruining their lives? Aren't you helping them by getting them away from those stinking minorities at their job! They are probably thanking you right now on stormfront
 
I'm not thinking about his hypothetical family. I'm thinking about the real people affected by bigotry.

Like a bigoted clerk refusing to, for example, issue marriage licenses to gay couples.

Like a bigoted police officer shooting a naked unarmed mentally disturbed black man.

Like a bigoted presidential candidate shitting on the memory of a dead soldier in the armed forces over which he would command, just because he happened to be of a different faith, then going on to wage war against all people of said faith.

I see how bigoted beliefs affect people's work and in turn affect the people around them, and I lose sympathy for them when they suffer the consequences of holding those harmful beliefs. Any collateral misfortune would be that bigoted person's fault.

Where's the evidence that the man in question holds negative views about black people? He inappropriately calls Obama "nigga" but that by itself doesn't necessarily imply that he thinks black people are less intelligent, bent towards criminality, etc. I mean, he might, but we don't know that.

I know Latinos who call their friends and other folks "nigga", should I go and let their places of employment know that they're bigoted racists?
 
Of course not, I don't think even those offering the OP a different view in here are suggesting that. Reporting content to FB produces a consequence that the person gets banned either temporarily, or permanently, and in some instances FB even reports to authorities if dangerous. While FB is far more public in terms of images/names (but profiles can be viewed only by friends), it's not much different than GAF banning. GAF bans racism/misogynistic/trolling posts, GAF doesn't however go and look up people's details from usernames and/or supplied email address/website URL on profile and then email employers.

So, long story short, like I've said a few times if the OP wants to handle this another way in the future there are tools available to cause assholes to have repercussions online. Also employers can Google/search social media, but as I said profiles can be private and only view-able by friends. I know the OP said this guy wasn't his "friend", but I can't see it clarified if it's a random added person (most of us have some randomly added internet "friends"), or if it's some fully public FB he stumbled across.

If the profile IS private then one can begin to debate privacy and if his employer should be able to look at it. Don't start harassing me over that sentiment, it is in no way condoning posting awful content on social media platforms, but like it or not privacy is a serious matter even if you are an asshole.

There are definitely other ways the OP could have handled the situation, but I have little respect for people who indirectly refer to Obama with that epithet. I wouldn't have contacted his boss or HR right away, I would have talked with him directly first before reporting it to Facebook and escalating it further. As for whether or not people in here are suggesting that it go unabated, there are several posts suggesting exactly that, along the lines of "oh it's just a meme," or "I don't care about it and wouldn't look at it, so it's fine," or "snitches get stitches."

I won't harass you over anything, so don't worry about that.
 
If he was sharing stuff like that through work emails, or through unwanted texts, then absolutely report him. But you're friends with him on his private Facebook account, and that's where you saw this?
 
To the people of this thread chastising OP for reporting him, I think to some degree, if someone's opinions bother you that much, I think you're fine for reporting a person. At some point you begin to feel uncomfortable with a person, and that carries over into the workplace.

The OP does not work with the person. The reported person will not likely learn from this event.
 
You would need to be friends only with other bigoted assholes for that to work though

Yea but people don't come with "racist asshole" labels on them. That only gets exposed once the layers get peeled back. But with social media it happens on its own now. Which is fine by me. I'm all for bigots being outed for the pieces of shit they are. Ain't got time to worry about they family. They should do better. I can't not tell you how many times I've encountered people that seem to be regular normal sensible human beings and once they comfortable that racist shit starts slipping out.

"I like videogames"
"Me too"
"Let's be friends"
"Sure"
"Jews are terrible and your people are lazy and need to pull their pants up and get jobs"
"O_o"
"Not you, you're one of the good ones..."

but seriously, if HR has a problem with it, then they will have a problem with it, simple as

Yup. HR's job is to protect the company from losses. Either in a lawsuit by an employee or by losing business through bad press.
 
I mean, well with how frequently this guy seems to spout bad opinions and stances on his FB, it was only a matter of time before SOMEONE called him out on his shit. If it wasn't you, it would have eventually had been someone else.

I think if I were in this situation, if the guy was overtly letting his world views influence how he does his job (whatever that may be..), then I think reporting him to HR is fine. Though I'm not sure how far a bad meme he posted on FB will get him.

To the people of this thread chastising OP for reporting him, I think to some degree, if someone's opinions bother you that much, I think you're fine for reporting a person. At some point you begin to feel uncomfortable with a person, and that carries over into the workplace.

The OP doesn't work with him and we have absolutely no idea of how he behaves in the workplace. That is why some of us are saying there is like it or not a difference between working with someone who behaves inappropriately in work, that you/someone else then reports to HR, and then someone you have no idea how they behave in work, and don't even apparently know outside of FB, and report to HR. Just because there is a difference does not mean I'm saying one or the other is wrong (neither are wrong), it's just making it clear the OP does not work with the FB poster and apparently isn't a friend. I mean it's not illegal to report someone to their workplace for goodness sake.

Lots of people live double lives when it comes to their work. Heck to work in customer service you need to pretend that you have the sun up your arse and never feel stressed/grumpy or angry a day in your life. Now of course it so happens this guy is undoubtedly a racist asshole in his personal life, but people do go to work and act like champs and then are the worst of the worst outside of work. Karma should get delivered but I'll again stand by my stance, especially if it is a private FB profile, that the OP would have been best reporting to FB and blocking/removing friend. If it's a fully public FB profile and the OP has found it randomly, I'd still have reported to FB, but I guess on the HR front it's not as questionable around privacy for them to get access to an employees FB page they otherwise couldn't (if profile private).

This topic is largely conscious debating/hypotheticals, as that is what the OP asked about.

There are definitely other ways the OP could have handled the situation, but I have little respect for people who indirectly refer to Obama with that epithet. I wouldn't have contacted his boss or HR right away, I would have talked with him directly first before reporting it to Facebook and escalating it further. As for whether or not people in here are suggesting that it go unabated, there are several posts suggesting exactly that, along the lines of "oh it's just a meme," or "I don't care about it and wouldn't look at it, so it's fine," or "snitches get stitches."

I won't harass you over anything, so don't worry about that.

I've got zero respect for the guy either, he is a fucking asshole. More so with the second image. Yes I also do find GAFers saying it's just a meme and "you're a snitch" remarks to be unhelpful, not answering the OPs question and possibly a poor reflection of their character.

Initially I was pushing the OP hard on the conscious side because if he genuinely does doubt it, it's best he doesn't do it again and in the future uses tools that won't cause him to need to make a GAF post worrying. Lately I've moved onto privacy, as yes, as I said even assholes in the world (outside of those who do end up in jail) should be protected by privacy/freedom of speech. I can't condone being an asshole on social media, but I think it's at least worth debating whether or not an employer should get access to a private FB profile. I mean is it much different than saying your pin-locked mobile phone should be searchable by your employer? Yeah sure it is, as on social media you accept friends to be able to view your content, but what is similar is if the employer doesn't have access granted by you, should they be allowed?

Heck I don't know enough about law but couldn't it even potentially be illegal to fire someone for content that is otherwise behind a private profile/piece of hardware? That is if it's supplied to the employer by someone else who has access but hasn't been given permission to share publicly?

Lastly I also understand for most GAFers it's unthinkable to discuss these kinds of things, asshole is asshole, karma has been served. They do matter though. I hope the OP can clear up whether it's a private or fully public FB profile.
 
You did it out of spite because you were having a bad day.

You just wanted to create trouble for him by contacting his work. If you were that outraged by his racism you should have contacted the police.

He posted what he posted and I obviously don't agree with it, but I'm personally not a big fan of these kinds of take downs. I think a lot of people still don't take the internet seriously, so it's difficult to gauge what he really meant by the posts and I'd rather not embroil myself in trying to figure it out. If these things were said in person at work, it would be so much simpler.

Regardless though, OP, it sounds like you have a really important job and you'd probably be better off staying focused on what you have to do and/or finding a better way of coping with the stress.

Okay no, I seriously doubt he would consider killing himself if he lost his job and family well-being. Angry right-wingers don't usually respond that way in face of difficulties and their own failings in life. He'll do what right-wingers do best and blame this mess on some other group. As such, in my opinion, he's far more likely use his "God-given second amendment right" and seek vengeance for whatever, if anything, happens to him. And it sure as hell won't be a white person on the receiving end of his madness.

So yeah, that was not a good move imo, OP. You potentially ruined a man's life and, as a result, endangered the lives of black persons in America even further too. Like, I get that racist shit should be reported but damn, the results of your actions aren't as simple as you seem to think they are. Also, it should really be said that you have no idea what goes in that guy's head or what motivates him to be the way he is. Would it still be his fault if he was raised in an ultra-conservative household that believed this way and only ever listened to conservative media that reinforced this mentality, etc? Like, does he deserve to go to jail or to have his life ruined because of the way he was (poorly) raised? Especially if doesn't actually pose a threat to black persons other than generally being a racist dick?

I don't know, man.
Lol, all these whataboutisms are making me weak. To save everyone the trouble you should've just prefaced your post with 'Mind your fucking business OP, it doesn't affect you' and been done with it. But hey, maybe I'm wrong for expecting you to feel differently when millions of other people share the same sentiments.
 
If you aren't posting prejudicial garbage, there is no need to be worried.

This kind of reminds me of "if you have nothing to hide, there's nothing to worry about", which has always rubbed me the wrong way.

Knowing someone (a person I barely know or even work with, no less) can contact my company's HR department based on a FB meme is creepy to me regardless of what the meme entails. It's possible that in some scenario you post something that isn't offensive at all, but someone reads it the wrong way and your life ends up being ruined.

I just find social media to be a bit unsettling , that's all. I'm not excusing those memes in this case, as they're in very poor taste.
 
Where's the evidence that the man in question holds negative views about black people? He inappropriately calls Obama "nigga" but that by itself doesn't necessarily imply that he thinks black people are less intelligent, bent towards criminality, etc. I mean, he might, but we don't know that.

I know Latinos who call their friends and other folks "nigga", should I go and let their places of employment know that they're bigoted racists?

He's a Trump supporter. All Trump ever does is talk about how shitty he thinks black people's lives are. He doesn't hold them in high regard, and it follows that his supporters don't either.

With regards to Latinos saying the word, I suppose that would depend on the cultural and situational context of it's usage. I don't look at George Zimmerman and Fat Joe in the same light, for example.
 
This kind of reminds me "if you have nothing to hide, there's nothing to worry about", which has always rubbed me the wrong way.

Knowing someone (a person I barely know or even work with, no less) can contact my company's HR department based on a FB meme is creepy to me regardless of what the meme entails. It's possible that in some scenario you post something that isn't offensive at all, but someone reads it the wrong way and your life ends up being ruined.

I just find social media to be a bit unsettling , that's all. I'm not excusing those memes in this case, as they're in very poor taste.
This is why I don't have facebook or anything other then LinkedIn tied to my real name. But if they ever link me to my GAF account....
 
Oh wow, I didn't realize that OP doesn't even work with this guy. He works in the private sector for a small company, in a completely unrelated job, and you anonymously reported him to his HR? I thought he worked for the city as well.

Ouch

Maybe just unfriend the guy instead of trying to get him suspended/fired?
 
Oh I misunderstood. No, they won't ask you directly, I agree there. They will just check in the background. If you worked for the big 4, I guarantee you they will have done it as part of your background check.

Ah right I was talking about that dude being asked directly earlier.

If they did doubt they found anything. Not sure it can be linked back to me unless I add you as a friend. Also I don't really use Facebook beyond creeping so wouldn't impact me anyways ha
 
I dunno. Dont post shit on Facebook if you dont want other people to see it.

I really don't think that's the issue anyone has. I personally wouldn't feel that bad for the guy if he ended up getting the boot, since, as others has stated, he was probably going to get in trouble for these insensitive posts eventually. I continue to be baffled at how little care people put into what they post on a social network, as if they think nothing they say will ever have any consequences in the real world.

What gives me pause is how far someone was willing to go out of their way to report it to another company's HR department. I just find it a bit crazy that we live in a world where something like this is possible. I mean, the OP did this because he was having a stressful morning at work and I guess this was a way for him to blow off steam? That just doesn't sit all that well with me, personally. If it were a co-worker of his, I guess I'd feel a bit differently.
 
I'd be more worried about the fact that he probably knows it was you and will be coming for you, and he knows how to swing an axe
 
hmm

i have conflicted feelings about this. i think in the end, you're both in the wrong, but you're less wrong than he is.

i personally always think about what these people's jobs would think if they saw the shit they posted, though. I don't have sympathy for people being racist assholes online, but i'm definitely not going to try to go out of my way to burn their lives down
 
The congratulatory responses in this thread are unbelievably frightening.

The idea that I could make a mistake and say something mildly racist on FB and risk losing my job and potential livelihood because someone was offended by it is problematic to say the least.

You could've defriended him, confronted him about it, or even complained to FB, but you messed with the guy's job and potentially his family?

I remember saying something sexist on an online forum once (I was a teenager then, but still) and the idea that someone could screw my life over like that over a lapse in judgment and something that I could've grown out of is unnerving.

I can understand if it's something blatantly racist (saying something bad about black people, etc.) and if it's a serious concern (let's say it's a teacher or something), but the picture he posted was mildly racist at worst.

I'm also frightened by it. I mean, there's no question that the person who posted it is in the wrong. That's a disgusting/stupid thing to post and that person should be confronted. Me? I'd confront them myself. Going behind their back and reporting them to their workplace, threatening their livelihood & well-being is wrong.

If we expect to make any progress as a group, this is not the way you do it. If anything, if he is fired over this, it won't make him rethink his actions or thoughts. He won't apply critical thinking to this situation. It will just enforce the idea that "PC Culture" is getting too much. It will drive the individual down a worse path.

There are better ways to change people. It's a shame that it seems like a lot of GAF thinks the only way is to punish them.
 
Is that something that he posted personally? If so, then good. No one should cover for a racist. What you did was a-okay assuming that really is his own post.
 
Of course not, I don't think even those offering the OP a different view in here are suggesting that. Reporting content to FB produces a consequence that the person gets banned either temporarily, or permanently, and in some instances FB even reports to authorities if dangerous. While FB is far more public in terms of images/names (but profiles can be viewed only by friends), it's not much different than GAF banning. GAF bans racism/misogynistic/trolling posts, GAF doesn't however go and look up people's details from usernames and/or supplied email address/website URL on profile and then email employers.
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I just wanted to correct this. I work on FB stuff a lot. I deal with things like reputation management for companies and such, where vitriolic things get posted on pages ad infinium.

I've seen way worse than the content posted here on some company pages, and we'd tested out the report feature. Turns out, FB doesn't give a flying fuck. They aren't like GAF at all - the people, months later, are still active on FB. We block them and they make new accounts while their old ones are still going. While it might be in their policy to do so, they rarely ever take action. The best they ever do is take out posts that gain a lot of traction, but things hosted on individual pages or profiles are fair game.

So, no, reporting doesn't work if the platform rarely takes action against the person.
 
If it's not personal, it's hard for me to get mad at a person who doesn't seem very bright or sensible, let alone report him for making a stupid Facebook post.
 
Judging by the post I would have just unfollowed or unfriended him. It certainly doesn't seem bad enough to report it to his HR. I find it kind of strange that you did that honestly.
 
You can always tell who's ok with casual racism in these sorts of topics when the individuals start using words like "mistake" or "insensitive" to describe someone who is obviously trying to be racist. They are not trying to tap dance around being racist so why are you trying to do that for them? Oh yeah I bet we will hear the words "pc culture" as well that is another go for those comfortable with casual racism.
 
I'm also frightened by it. I mean, there's no question that the person who posted it is in the wrong. That's a disgusting/stupid thing to post and that person should be confronted. Me? I'd confront them myself. Going behind their back and reporting them to their workplace, threatening their livelihood & well-being is wrong.

If we expect to make any progress as a group, this is not the way you do it. If anything, if he is fired over this, it won't make him rethink his actions or thoughts. He won't apply critical thinking to this situation. It will just enforce the idea that "PC Culture" is getting too much. It will drive the individual down a worse path.

There are better ways to change people. It's a shame that it seems like a lot of GAF thinks the only way is to punish them.

I wish society as a whole (not you) were as concerned about the victims of racism as some people in this thread (including you) seem to be for a racist making racist comments.

This man doesn't exist in a bubble and his views don't either. These people are loan officers, teachers, cops, judges, supervisors, managers...etc. Their bias can and does help destroy lives.
 
You can always tell who's ok with casual racism in these sorts of topics when the individuals start using words like "mistake" or "insensitive" to describe someone who is obviously trying to racist. Oh yeah I bet we will hear the words "pc culture" as well that is another go for those comfortable with casual racism.

Come on. I used the word "insensitive" and I absolutely have a problem with those memes. Just because I didn't literally call them "racist" doesn't mean I am a casual racist or am ok with it. That's....insane that one would you jump to that conclusion.
 
I just wanted to correct this. I work on FB stuff a lot. I deal with things like reputation management for companies and such, where vitriolic things get posted on pages ad infinium.

I've seen way worse than the content posted here on some company pages, and we'd tested out the report feature. Turns out, FB doesn't give a flying fuck. They aren't like GAF at all - the people, months later, are still active on FB. We block them and they make new accounts while their old ones are still going. While it might be in their policy to do so, they rarely ever take action. The best they ever do is take out posts that gain a lot of traction, but things hosted on individual pages or profiles are fair game.

So, no, reporting doesn't work if the platform rarely takes action against the person.

While I believe you that is FBs issue. The report tool for the consumer should work as its stated to. If a company isn't towing the line as they should be that reflects poorly on them. You've still done the right thing reporting and if they don't bother their ass to clean up their service that is on them.

As I said above I'm interested now to know if the FB profile was private or not, as I think that has its own moral discussion.

However I'm not surprised to hear about FBs attitude. Twitter is largely the same... Its really not good enough.
 
Where's the evidence that the man in question holds negative views about black people? He inappropriately calls Obama "nigga" but that by itself doesn't necessarily imply that he thinks black people are less intelligent, bent towards criminality, etc. I mean, he might, but we don't know that.

I know Latinos who call their friends and other folks "nigga", should I go and let their places of employment know that they're bigoted racists?

There's a difference between Pedro calling Juan his nigga and random white co-worker calling Donald "Law and Order" Trump his nigga
 
I wish society as a whole (not you) were as concerned about the victims of racism as some people in this thread (including you) seem to be for a racist making racist comments.

This man doesn't exist in a bubble and his views don't either. These people are loan officers, teachers, cops, judges, supervisors, managers...etc. Their bias can and does help destroy lives.

I don't appreciate you making a blanket statement in regards to my beliefs. I am very concerned with racism, societal injustice, and their victims. I've dedicated a lot of my time to help.

The OP's action will merely enforce the Facebook posters' beliefs. It will make them stronger. Absolutely no progress is being made by the actions of the OP. A more civil approach should have been taken first.
 
What should I do?


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He's white. I cropped his name and face out.

Revel in the glory of exercising your freedoms in America.

He used his right to free speech

You used your right to point out his free speech to his private employers

Free speech =/ freedom from consequence

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Also: fuck racists
 
Revel in the glory of exercising your freedoms in America.

He used his right to free speech

You used your right to point out his free speech to his private employers

Free speech =/ freedom from consequence

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Also: fuck racists

As I said above if the FB profile is private and they have each other added as friends its not quite that clear cut. Unless the poster gave permission to the GAFer to email private FB pictures to his work its not exactly morally great. Obviously the guy didn't give permission. Therefore in reality his work shouldn't have permission to see anything on his FB.

I believe all that can really step over that line is FB being allowed to see everything, and FB also being allowed to pass on your private content to local authorities if any content is illegal or possibly inciting violence.
 
I really don't think that's the issue anyone has. I personally wouldn't feel that bad for the guy if he ended up getting the boot, since, as others has stated, he was probably going to get in trouble for these insensitive posts eventually. I continue to be baffled at how little care people put into what they post on a social network, as if they think nothing they say will ever have any consequences in the real world.

What gives me pause is how far someone was willing to go out of their way to report it to another company's HR department. I just find it a bit crazy that we live in a world where something like this is possible. I mean, the OP did this because he was having a stressful morning at work and I guess this was a way for him to blow off steam? That just doesn't sit all that well with me, personally. If it were a co-worker of his, I guess I'd feel a bit differently.
Yeah I see what you're saying for sure and agree. I dont have much sympathy for assholes like the guy posting that shit like that but OP definitely went too far IMO. Leave it up to his employer to figure that shit out if they want to. I know at my work you can get canned for posting dumb shit on Facebook.
 
Well you snitched him but that OK because he was already at the brink of oblivion. You just made that final push. You'll be fine.

OP whats your work? Policeman? Firefighter? Super-hero? Vigilante?
 
I'd be okay with what appears to be a Trump supporter being fired from my workplace. So I'd thank you, OP. Especially since it sounds like you're in some life-saving field. I wouldn't want bigots working there.
 
I don't appreciate you making a blanket statement in regards to my beliefs. I am very concerned with racism, societal injustice, and their victims. I've dedicated a lot of my time to help.

I'm only going by the sentiments I read in this thread. I apologize for not being familiar with your history of fighting social justice. You smart. You loyal. I appreciate you.

Ihe OP's action will merely enforce the Facebook posters' beliefs. It will make them stronger. Absolutely no progress is being made by the actions of the OP. A more civil approach should have been taken first.

You can make this argument about any racist that loses their job or faces any type of negative consequence for their bigotry. It rings hollow to me.

I'm not out to change a bigots heart. I know that impossible unless they choose to do it themselves. But I am all for calling them on their shit when it's public so they know not to bring that noise around us. They can go vent on stormfront.
 
I'd be okay with what appears to be a Trump supporter being fired from my workplace. So I'd thank you, OP. Especially since it sounds like you're in some life-saving field. I wouldn't want bigots working there.

As the OP hasn't updated the first post he doesn't work with the person. He has said the person isn't even a friend. I'm trying to ask for it to be clarified if they are simply FB friends (as in accepted a friend request) or if he's gone on a random FB page somehow.

OP works in 911 response.
 
I think your reaction was overdone and spiteful to be honest, but at least you admit that. Evidently no one can really judge how it'll affect his life, and it isn't entirely your fault. I mean, you obviously didn't post these pictures, but his fate will be affected by your actions should he be let go.

He seems like the typical loudmouth conservative Facebook poster I see from time to time. Those people are assholes, yeah, but I feel if it's not interfering with his work, it's an off-base reason for reporting specifically to his job.

I don't know. It's a tough one. He doesn't seem like he'd be my favorite person, but I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone regardless of their views. I also understand the reaction of others to say "Who cares?", but I still feel sympathy even for scum.
 
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