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ManaByte

Member
And another Reeee troll gets banned. Y’all seriously need to find better hobbies.
 

Swift_Star

Member
I don't know what the hell is going on over the "other place", but I think there's something shady and maybe some agenda they're trying to push.

Look at this thread for example: it-seems-like-horizon-forbidden-west-came-out-and-was-just-forgotten

I've seen the OP of that thread make quite a few questionable statements in various threads there the past couple of months when it comes to Sony in gaming discussion topics. Now here's a quote from an actual DICE developer in the same thread:



Now, if you're supposed to be a responsible individual in ongoing gaming discourse, I don't know why you would stoop to a talking point that's been weaponized for console war fodder, providing no evidence as to how your point is actually in any way potentially factual, and would fall into a macro pattern of discourse which you know you've seen weaponized for at least the past year now.

They also had a couple of threads this past week on their thoughts on the business direction for Sony and Microsoft. Now, they seem to be a lot more enthused with Microsoft's direction, but if you actually looked at the rationale behind some (well, a lot) of the posts for both, a lot of the rationale was based on BS.

Just taking a guess here but I think a lot of the exaggerated hostility from that place towards a certain brand of late come from a rather banal email leak, and they're just using that to contrive things to be upset about, a lot of which are easily disputable with actual information and level-headedness.

I'm frankly quite shocked at how uncivil gaming discussion on the other site has gotten these days; they lack balance, taste, and humility.
That OP loves to shit on Sony, I don’t understand why they do nothing about it. What’s worse if that he doesn’t even engage on conversation, he just wants to shit on Sony and is never banned for it. I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed.
I also get the feel they’re trying too hard to shit on Sony every change they get and bad Microsoft threads barely get any traction and when people point this out, they get banned.
 
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Swift_Star

Member
The same thing will happen to you here if you criticize MS too much though.
Disagree. I criticize Microsoft here and I was never banned for being a warrior. You can do it without making provocative takes.
When I had an account on era, though, I was banned for saying Microsoft had monopolistic tendencies. Which is true when you look at their history. I’ve said the same thing here and was not banned for it.
 
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That OP loves to shit on Sony, I don’t understand why they do nothing about it. What’s worse if that he doesn’t even engage on conversation, he just wants to shit on Sony and is never banned for it. I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed.
I also get the feel they’re trying too hard to shit on Sony every change they get and bad Microsoft threads barely get any traction and when people point this out, they get banned.

Funny you should mention that because the same day the RedFall & Starfield delay news hit, the Jim Ryan email piece did as well, and guess which one was suppressed and which one was pushed constantly to the front page?

I get that they were both interesting topics to cover but many of the takes in the latter thread greatly exaggerated the wording in the email or made it sound like he personally agreed with the non-popular opinion, when all he was saying (IMO) was that as adults you have to tolerate that other people may have different opinions to you on certain subjects, but at the end of the day, they're your coworkers and they're there to do their job just as you are.

Leave it to that other place to fail at grown-up thinking, though. I don't know if they're 'compromised' or not but sometimes certain narratives almost feel like they're a coordinated effort. Gaming discussion just doesn't feel organic there especially when it comes to some of the Sony-related stuff of late. I don't like pushing disingenuous narratives on any of the consoles: there's things I like about all of them and things I don't like, but that's about the extend of it.

Some of the posters, even mods and admin there, they have a really bad habit of exaggerating shortcomings (some not even factually discernable, rather just perceived) on Sony-related stuff and acting as if they're on a moral crusade to "shame" them or something. It's weird

Also while I can't prove it, I think one of the reasons some of them are more fond (in a few cases, almost religiously) of Microsoft/Xbox there is because they might correlate MS's moves with GamePass to Marxist & socialist ideal embodiments. "Free and cheap" gaming on a centralized service controlled by a central big corporation. "Gaming for all" via play on any device, any way you want. The appearance of corporate progressivism with providing content "for free" (use MS Reward points to pay for GamePass, stack 3 years of GP with a $1 conversion, etc.), so on and so forth.

Not bringing this up because I'm saying I agree (or necessarily disagree) with the thinking, or even to pass a judgement on if it's right or wrong if that's in fact the case. However, I think a lot of people on ERA think this way subconsciously about MS and are using that to lead their thinking, to the point of an extreme.

Gonna put my tinfoil hat on but i think there are astrotrufers on era, some of the posts are just so blatant. If any one remembers early last gen astroturfers got caught on gaf and reddit shilling for xbox trying to change the narrative, would not be surprised if they are out in force again.

It wouldn't surprise me. And it sucks, because those types of people genuinely ruin actual discussion by shilling and being disingenuous. I'm sure Sony and even Nintendo have some astroturfers & shills of their own but it seems like there are quite a few more when it comes to MS & Xbox. Not here, thankfully, but on places like Era and also Youtube. Which I think some of the Twitter drama over a couple ambassadors and journalists around the time RedFall & Starfield got delayed might've indicated.

I've also seen a couple of people on the other place admit they have stocks in Microsoft. Now overall I don't think that's too big of a deal but I think if you're also knee deep in debating people on tons of gaming topics daily, at some point you can't be surprised if people think you're arguing in your own best, vested financial interests. I think even some people like Colin might get questioned that way at least once or twice, though he's kind of a self-admitted PS guy but has said a few times he has MS stock (don't know if he's said he has Sony stock).

All that to say, I'm kind of glad I'm not being paid by these companies, or even have stocks in anything gaming-related. If I were making money through gaming I'd want it to either be from other gamers via support, or from having an actual salary working at a developer. But in the case of the latter, I don't think I could personally partake in discussion at a hobbyist level unless we're talking non-current stuff, like older retro titles.
 
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Swift_Star

Member
Funny you should mention that because the same day the RedFall & Starfield delay news hit, the Jim Ryan email piece did as well, and guess which one was suppressed and which one was pushed constantly to the front page?

I get that they were both interesting topics to cover but many of the takes in the latter thread greatly exaggerated the wording in the email or made it sound like he personally agreed with the non-popular opinion, when all he was saying (IMO) was that as adults you have to tolerate that other people may have different opinions to you on certain subjects, but at the end of the day, they're your coworkers and they're there to do their job just as you are.

Leave it to that other place to fail at grown-up thinking, though. I don't know if they're 'compromised' or not but sometimes certain narratives almost feel like they're a coordinated effort. Gaming discussion just doesn't feel organic there especially when it comes to some of the Sony-related stuff of late. I don't like pushing disingenuous narratives on any of the consoles: there's things I like about all of them and things I don't like, but that's about the extend of it.

Some of the posters, even mods and admin there, they have a really bad habit of exaggerating shortcomings (some not even factually discernable, rather just perceived) on Sony-related stuff and acting as if they're on a moral crusade to "shame" them or something. It's weird

Also while I can't prove it, I think one of the reasons some of them are more fond (in a few cases, almost religiously) of Microsoft/Xbox there is because they might correlate MS's moves with GamePass to Marxist & socialist ideal embodiments. "Free and cheap" gaming on a centralized service controlled by a central big corporation. "Gaming for all" via play on any device, any way you want. The appearance of corporate progressivism with providing content "for free" (use MS Reward points to pay for GamePass, stack 3 years of GP with a $1 conversion, etc.), so on and so forth.

Not bringing this up because I'm saying I agree (or necessarily disagree) with the thinking, or even to pass a judgement on if it's right or wrong if that's in fact the case. However, I think a lot of people on ERA think this way subconsciously about MS and are using that to lead their thinking, to the point of an extreme.
Sometimes I think there’s some underlying scheme involving money. Is it too far fetched to think they’re paying for them to push the Sony hate agenda? I don’t know, it’s so weird. I don’t actually think your spoilered part is true, though, I think they’re just cheapskates when it comes to actually buying games, which is extremely ironic since they gloat about their hardware acquisitions.
But, honestly, I’m browsing era less and less because everything revolving Sony is becoming increasingly toxic over time.
 

Kev Kev

Gold Member
Gonna put my tinfoil hat on but i think there are astrotrufers on era, some of the posts are just so blatant. If any one remembers early last gen astroturfers got caught on gaf and reddit shilling for xbox trying to change the narrative, would not be surprised if they are out in force again.
Not sure what an astroturfer is, but like I said earlier people need to stop thinking the ignore feature is for pussys and just use it to weed out shit like that. It’s just senseless noise why is it so important for people to keep that crap around
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
If the handful of people above have an issue with mods not doing there job banning enough people thinking game forums like Ree and GAF are too hard on Sony, then take it up with them in PMs instead of talking about it in this thread.
 

Swift_Star

Member
Gonna put my tinfoil hat on but i think there are astrotrufers on era, some of the posts are just so blatant. If any one remembers early last gen astroturfers got caught on gaf and reddit shilling for xbox trying to change the narrative, would not be surprised if they are out in force again.
I actually don’t think that’s too far away from reality. There was a time when every single week there was a thread praising gamepass and they always read like paid ads.
One other strange thing you can notice is that they love bringing gamepass up even when it’s not necessary. So, yeah, I think there are astroturfing there.
 

Swift_Star

Member
If the handful of people above have an issue with mods not doing there job banning enough people thinking game forums like Ree and GAF are too hard on Sony, then take it up with them in PMs instead of talking about it in this thread.
I don’t think GAF is hard at all at Sony as most takes are really amusing rather than “hard” on it and are always by the same group of people.
What is annoying is when someone makes a clearly provocative take and makes a good thread devolve into console warring. That is really annoying regardless of the side.
 
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Gonna put my tinfoil hat on but i think there are astrotrufers on era, some of the posts are just so blatant. If any one remembers early last gen astroturfers got caught on gaf and reddit shilling for xbox trying to change the narrative, would not be surprised if they are out in force again.
100% there are astroturfers. Digital relic, lobster, paid ass shills. At least gaf banned them eventually
 

Putonahappyface

Gold Member
Nah this forum is slow as fucking hell. A single thread takes years to get bumped. On the same page you have days old threads with no discussion whatsoever. It's a ghost town on most days. I have to find another forum that's at least somewhat active and not that other one.
On the contrary this forum is pretty busy compared to other forums I've frequented in the past. In fact this is my main forum now.
 

Swift_Star

Member
Funny you should mention that because the same day the RedFall & Starfield delay news hit, the Jim Ryan email piece did as well, and guess which one was suppressed and which one was pushed constantly to the front page?

I get that they were both interesting topics to cover but many of the takes in the latter thread greatly exaggerated the wording in the email or made it sound like he personally agreed with the non-popular opinion, when all he was saying (IMO) was that as adults you have to tolerate that other people may have different opinions to you on certain subjects, but at the end of the day, they're your coworkers and they're there to do their job just as you are.

Leave it to that other place to fail at grown-up thinking, though. I don't know if they're 'compromised' or not but sometimes certain narratives almost feel like they're a coordinated effort. Gaming discussion just doesn't feel organic there especially when it comes to some of the Sony-related stuff of late. I don't like pushing disingenuous narratives on any of the consoles: there's things I like about all of them and things I don't like, but that's about the extend of it.

Some of the posters, even mods and admin there, they have a really bad habit of exaggerating shortcomings (some not even factually discernable, rather just perceived) on Sony-related stuff and acting as if they're on a moral crusade to "shame" them or something. It's weird

Also while I can't prove it, I think one of the reasons some of them are more fond (in a few cases, almost religiously) of Microsoft/Xbox there is because they might correlate MS's moves with GamePass to Marxist & socialist ideal embodiments. "Free and cheap" gaming on a centralized service controlled by a central big corporation. "Gaming for all" via play on any device, any way you want. The appearance of corporate progressivism with providing content "for free" (use MS Reward points to pay for GamePass, stack 3 years of GP with a $1 conversion, etc.), so on and so forth.

Not bringing this up because I'm saying I agree (or necessarily disagree) with the thinking, or even to pass a judgement on if it's right or wrong if that's in fact the case. However, I think a lot of people on ERA think this way subconsciously about MS and are using that to lead their thinking, to the point of an extreme.



It wouldn't surprise me. And it sucks, because those types of people genuinely ruin actual discussion by shilling and being disingenuous. I'm sure Sony and even Nintendo have some astroturfers & shills of their own but it seems like there are quite a few more when it comes to MS & Xbox. Not here, thankfully, but on places like Era and also Youtube. Which I think some of the Twitter drama over a couple ambassadors and journalists around the time RedFall & Starfield got delayed might've indicated.

I've also seen a couple of people on the other place admit they have stocks in Microsoft. Now overall I don't think that's too big of a deal but I think if you're also knee deep in debating people on tons of gaming topics daily, at some point you can't be surprised if people think you're arguing in your own best, vested financial interests. I think even some people like Colin might get questioned that way at least once or twice, though he's kind of a self-admitted PS guy but has said a few times he has MS stock (don't know if he's said he has Sony stock).

All that to say, I'm kind of glad I'm not being paid by these companies, or even have stocks in anything gaming-related. If I were making money through gaming I'd want it to either be from other gamers via support, or from having an actual salary working at a developer. But in the case of the latter, I don't think I could personally partake in discussion at a hobbyist level unless we're talking non-current stuff, like older retro titles.
Just to go back to this topic.
The UK boxed chart was posted on era and it barely gained any traction since it doesn’t support the narrative that HFW has flopped. Here in the other hand the thread is filled with the usual trolls.
I’m convinced that there’s something going on in Era regarding Sony and its games.
 
I like this place. I don't really feel like I'm walking on eggshells when posting here, which is the BIGGEST improvement over ResetEra, to me. However, I will say that I wish this place was more active.

What I absolutely hated about ResetEra were the mods. It is clear as day that mods didn't really have any guidelines to follow and just banned however they saw fit. I will never get over the time where I got one of my numerous frivolous bans, and I sent a petition ticket asking to un-ban me. The moderator who saw my ticket was like "looks like you didn't break any rules, that ban is lifted from your records." Thanks, too bad that I already had to sit through that 1-month ban for no reason. In addition, I can get a 2-month ban for quoting a user and saying "You again?" while other users can tell others to straight-up "shut the fuck up" and they're left totally unscathed.

In addition, it felt like some users got off on reporting people and some mods got off on banning people.
 
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GigaBowser

Gold Member
It's way better than RE because it's a gaming forum and not about bullshit politics, but I still feel like mods are too sensitive about their favourite toy makers.

I started a thread yesterday about having no games from Sony that I'm looking forward to for the first time ever because they usually always deliver and got accused with a mod warning that I'm trying to stir shit up and "divide" the people.


Huh Confused GIF - Huh Confused Dont Know GIFs


Also that it was "low effort" which I feel is some loophole the mods use to get rid of threads they don't like. I wrote a freakin paragraph on it do I need to include pie charts?
 
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Just to go back to this topic.
The UK boxed chart was posted on era and it barely gained any traction since it doesn’t support the narrative that HFW has flopped. Here in the other hand the thread is filled with the usual trolls.
I’m convinced that there’s something going on in Era regarding Sony and its games.

Hopefully one of the few remaining credible games journalism outlets that aren't in the forum's pockets one way or another actually does an investigation or at least sees something to it. I don't think a single email leak should in any way swing opinion as severely as it seems like it has over there, correlation of timing checking out and whatnot.

If there's any further coincidental narratives set up around there playing into a pattern, hopefully there are enough people to make note of it. We need more honest, non agenda-driven gaming discussion across as many platforms as possible, even a mediocre offshoot forum founded on lies roughly five years ago that turned out to be getting milked by the owner so they could sell it to a questionable corporation without telling the admin or mod staff and not sharing any of the proceeds with them whatsoever🤔

Oh, and also has a history of doxxing a handful of people on Twitter.
 
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VN1X

Member
We have people on this board who don't know what a CRPG is. That's an insta-ban in my book or at least a two week imposed re-education course via Ask Jeeves followed by a test and evaluation that requires them to showcase their understanding of the term via a Geocities website presentation. Thanks for your understanding.
 

Roxkis_ii

Gold Member
I tried reset Era, but the forum software is so behind gaf's. No reactions, no buttons to get you to the tops and bottom of pages and trash themes.

That's before even reading the content of the post there.

I also think they sell your email address. The address I used to sign up started getting random Facebook market place ads and re is the only place I signed up using that email.
 

sircaw

Banned
I actually don’t think that’s too far away from reality. There was a time when every single week there was a thread praising gamepass and they always read like paid ads.
One other strange thing you can notice is that they love bringing gamepass up even when it’s not necessary. So, yeah, I think there are astroturfing there.
Just say his name, we all know you're talking about adamsapple adamsapple . "lollipop_disappointed:

Fs, now i am getting a warning for you not just calling him out yourself.

I have been manipulated.


Ps(sorry adam, he did both of us like a kipper) :messenger_sad_relieved:
 

WitchHunter

Member
I've been here more than a year and after going through a lot of gaming forums like Gamefaqs, Reddit, Reset era, gamespot forums I have to say NeoGaf is frankly the best, I love the format and the kind of gamers that commute around here, people feel truly genuine and passionate about gaming.

For example I don't like Reddit too much because while some gaming subs are good the site encourages a hive mind kind of thinking. That doesn't apply here because GAF lacks the upvote-downvote system and everyone expresses their opinions freely.

In conclusion I am happy to be a member here.
What about useful/relevant information flow? How do you feel, is it flowing mostly in one way (from you to others) or it's reciprocal?
 

Marvel14

Member
I've been here more than a year and after going through a lot of gaming forums like Gamefaqs, Reddit, Reset era, gamespot forums I have to say NeoGaf is frankly the best, I love the format and the kind of gamers that commute around here, people feel truly genuine and passionate about gaming.

For example I don't like Reddit too much because while some gaming subs are good the site encourages a hive mind kind of thinking. That doesn't apply here because GAF lacks the upvote-downvote system and everyone expresses their opinions freely.

In conclusion I am happy to be a member here.
I like ERA better...its far more tolerant, centrist and sane. And there is no hive mind there at all....

#extremesarcasm
 
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Mula

Member
Wait people here don't shit on Jim ryan in every thread because he respects different (legal) opinions?
 

daTRUballin

Member
It's really weird to me that many here are accusing ResetEra of being very anti-Sony. I remember last gen, it was the complete opposite where the PS4 could do no wrong and the Xbone was the one taking shit all the time from fanboys.

I don't really follow this console wars stuff all that closely. Has the discourse flipped around this gen because of all the acquisitions MS has been making? Or is it just a case of Era being Era over the recent Jim Ryan stuff?
 
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TheInfamousKira

Reseterror Resettler
It's really weird to me that many here are accusing ResetEra of being very anti-Sony. I remember last gen, it was the complete opposite where the PS4 could do no wrong and the Xbone was the one taking shit all the time from fanboys.

I don't really follow this console wars stuff all that closely. Has the discourse flipped around this gen because of all the acquisitions MS has been making? Or is it a case of Era being Era over the recent Jim Ryan stuff?

I can't keep track of what Era is anti- for the month, so I just assume it's everything except black people, gay people and trans people. And Republicans dying or whatever.
 
It's really weird to me that many here are accusing ResetEra of being very anti-Sony. I remember last gen, it was the complete opposite where the PS4 could do no wrong and the Xbone was the one taking shit all the time from fanboys.

I don't really follow this console wars stuff all that closely. Has the discourse flipped around this gen because of all the acquisitions MS has been making? Or is it just a case of Era being Era over the recent Jim Ryan stuff?

Yeah, things are definitely flipping. Microsoft is now seen as the good guys with GamePass and their percieved emphasis on single player while Jim Ryan has turned PlayStation into a GAAS factory.
 

daTRUballin

Member
Yeah, things are definitely flipping. Microsoft is now seen as the good guys with GamePass and their percieved emphasis on single player while Jim Ryan has turned PlayStation into a GAAS factory.
Weird. Weren't MS the ones being accused of being a GAAS factory, like, a year or two ago? WTF happened?
 

Zeroing

Banned
Wait people here don't shit on Jim ryan in every thread because he respects different (legal) opinions?
we "shit" of him but it is like an endearing thing, mostly is just harmless jokes. The thing I can tell is that neogaf is a place where you can make jokes, the other place it is too serious to me and everyone is ready to attack you. I come to the internet to relax.. not go get even more stressed. It's been months since I've been there.

Weird. Weren't MS the ones being accused of being a GAAS factory, like, a year or two ago? WTF happened?
Jim Ryan does not have a PR who writes emails or statements for him... So that email about the cats and dogs triggered many people there... and I was done there. Total hysteria there.
 

BigBooper

Member
Weird. Weren't MS the ones being accused of being a GAAS factory, like, a year or two ago? WTF happened?
Or even right now. Would anyone disagree that MS is pushing the biggest GAAS around, in Gamepass?

Of course, there is a difference in designing games to fleece you longterm or designing a service that they hope will make you want to subscribe longterm.

Aside from all that, there is not consistent logic to console warring.
 

Drizzlehell

Member
I haven't been posting here for long but I'd agree. It's refreshing to see a board where people are genuinely interested in discussing video games while also having some sense of humor about it. So many message boards these days tend to be populated by old fossils past their prime who aren't even passionate about the hobby anymore but stick around because they've spent the last 20 years posting on the same board and they got nothing better to do while procrastinating at work.
 

Filben

Member
Like it here because Im getting most of news from here and don't need to give clickbaity corpo shit sites any clicks nor time. Also I can curse and write how I like (to some extent) without "offending" someone or risk to get banned over silly things. But I can also have discussion or rely on community help or help out myself.

I don't want to sound like someone who got back here only because I got banned at resetera. I was almost solely discussing games without getting political but that's not possible there. They will always find something offensive. I realised that and was done with it when I was banned for a joke about cats someone found offensive and a second time for insulting the player character/protagonist in Metro.

So in short: it's mostly laid-back here and I still got my news and discussions the same as on resetera. I have no reason to go there any more.
 
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