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I searched to see if a thread like this had been done before. It had, but it's a year old, so instead of doing forbidden thread necromancy, I'll start a new one and use a different quiz.

THAT, and a lot of you that are posting politics and shooting the shit day in and day out weren't around for the old quiz, and didn't give data. Those that did post in the old thread, hey, maybe you've changed, who knows?

In other words, I'm not fond of arguing with you guys all day about politics without knowing where everyone really stands.

You can use Politopia, or The Political Compass, whichever you like better. I think I prefer Politopia. Politopia seems to have an American slant, PC seems to have a British / European slant.

http://www.politopia.com/quiz_index.php3

http://politicalcompass.jpagel.net/index.php

According to Politopia, this is me:
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According to the Political Compass, this is me:

Economic Left/Right: 7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.10

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No huge surprise, I come out fairly close to Milton Friedman, but I'm more socially conservative than the average libertarian, as I'm fairly moderate (I couldn't care less about gay people wanting to marry, hell what right does the government have getting involved in religious ceremonies anyway, but I don't advocate removal of restrictions on drugs and prostitution, so forth and so on).
 
Economic Left/Right: 0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.13

NW-You would feel most at home in the Northwest region. You advocate a large degree of economic and personal freedom. Your neighbors include folks like Ayn Rand, Jesse Ventura, Milton Friedman, and Drew Carey, and may refer to themselves as "classical liberals," "libertarians," "market liberals," "old whigs," "objectivists," "propertarians," "agorists," or "anarcho-capitalist."

This is a change. I think I am gradually not giving a ****.
 
Fresh Prince said:
Economic Left/Right: 0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.13

NW-You would feel most at home in the Northwest region. You advocate a large degree of economic and personal freedom. Your neighbors include folks like Ayn Rand, Jesse Ventura, Milton Friedman, and Drew Carey, and may refer to themselves as "classical liberals," "libertarians," "market liberals," "old whigs," "objectivists," "propertarians," "agorists," or "anarcho-capitalist."

This is a change. I think I am gradually not giving a ****.
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With those scores, it's more accurate to say you're a centrist, a moderate on all issues, or an independant. You are the most highly coveted type of voter in an election year.
 
Economic Left/Right: 6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74

I didn't like the other test and stopped taking it.

Nobody cares about me come election time. =(
 
Karakand said:
Economic Left/Right: 6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74

I didn't like the other test and stopped taking it.

Nobody cares about me come election time. =(
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That would put you pretty close to me, actually, but more in the libertarian camp / believe in highly reduced social restrictions. And that's not entirely true that no one cares about you =P.

It depends on where you live. If you live in a fairly liberal state like California or New York, you'd identify with a fairly leftist Republican pretty well. If you live in a conservative state like Texas you're pretty much SOL, but a particularly conservative Democrat might be okay. Or you could just vote Libertarian, they always need the support just to stay on the ballot. Since the Libertarians are effectively screwed in what basically amounts to a two-party exclusive club, I'd rather the Republicans as a whole move away from the religious right and focus on being moderate socially but economically conservative.
 
JayDubya said:
With those scores, it's more accurate to say you're a centrist, a moderate on all issues, or an independant. You are the most highly coveted type of voter in an election year.
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Too bad both the major political parties suck here and I donkey vote my compulsary vote.
 
Fresh Prince said:
Too bad both the major political parties suck here.
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That is precisely how I felt about voting for the President in Texas. I didn't think Bush was good enough to deserve a second term, but I didn't like Kerry either, and Bush was guaranteed to win my state. I could either not vote or just vote for the libertarian to help them get ballot access (this may or may not have anything to do with my wife pulling my ear such that I would do so :lol).
 
Here's me:

"Economic Left/Right: 5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97
Libertarian"

that's pretty much where I usually end up on these sorts of quizzes ;)

edit: I looked up my scores from last year's thread:
Economic Left/Right: 3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62

If these scores are to be trusted, I've gotten more libertarian more economically and socially. I'm pretty sure some of the questions were different this time, though, so it might just be measurement error.
 
JayDubya said:
It depends on where you live. If you live in a fairly liberal state like California or New York, you'd identify with a fairly leftist Republican pretty well.
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California's Republican Party isn't real left on social issues since it's dominated by Orange County and San Diego.

I do usually vote Libertarian, though.
 
JayDubya said:
That is precisely how I felt about voting for the President in Texas. I didn't think Bush was good enough to deserve a second term, but I didn't like Kerry either, and Bush was guaranteed to win my state. I could either not vote or just vote for the libertarian to help them get ballot access (this may or may not have anything to do with my wife pulling my ear such that I would do so :lol).
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I think if voting wasn't compulsary I would actually care. Too bad no party supports my contradictaroy views :lol
 
Fresh Prince said:
I think if voting wasn't compulsary I would actually care. Too bad no party supports my contradictaroy views :lol
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This is interesting, where do you live such that you HAVE to vote?
 
White Man said:
I don't care about politics so much. I believe in politics less than I do religion.
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This isn't true, I can tell you either like to troll people or you do have some pretty clear cut ideas with regards to politically related things. I think it's more the latter, though I could be wrong. :lol

If I had to hazard a guess you're probably very socially liberal but also moderate / apathetic on the economic side and don't agree with rocking the boat as is. Probably like a 0 / -5.

Feel free to take it and prove me wrong. =P
 
JayDubya said:
This is interesting, where do you live such that you HAVE to vote?
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Australia. What I dislike about both political parties in the fraternal nature they both have with big business but what else is new?

Yeah also what White Man said. If I do vote legitimately it would be where the parties policies directly affect me not this generic tax cut here, improved benfits here bullshit. Otherwise donkey vote. To clarify I think politics and religion are an intriguing distraction but neither achieve anything in the current situation I am in.
 
That Poltopia quiz is awful. I voted for legalized marijuana, legalised prostitution and other sex trades, no form of restrictions whatsoever on speech or press, national health care and social security... and it said I'm a centrist with many ideas in common with today's politicians. WTF? Not even remotely close.

The other quiz nailed it a whole lot better as the libertarian lefty I probably am:

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.74
 
Economic Left/Right: -7.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28


Two parties are not NEARLY enough.


This is interesting, where do you live such that you HAVE to vote?
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Australians get hit with a hefty fine if they don't vote. They can always spoil their ballots though.
 
I'm not an extremely political person, but I took the tests honestly. Not too surprised for the first one; second one is okay, maybe a bit off.

Economic Left/Right: -3.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82

South-You are a Southerner-an egalitarian-which means that you advocate an increased role for the government in the economic realm. You are more or less pleased the government's role in the personal realm.
 
SW- You would feel most at home in the Southwest region You advocate a large degree of personal freedom and a large degree of government control over the economy. Your neighbors include such folks as Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton, and Zack de la Rocha of Rage Against the Machine, and may refer to themselves as "liberals," "left-wing liberals," "civil libertarians," "democratic socialists," "egalitarians," or "anarcho-socialists."
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The company I keep, ugh. Rage Against the Machine suck.
 
I'm the Dalai Lama bitches!

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08
 
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69

Last year's:
Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.00

Heh...
 
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44

Last years:
Economic: -4.50
Social -3.44


Holy shit, I matched up exactly. That's uncanny.
 
Azih said:
Economic Left/Right: -7.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28


Two parties are not NEARLY enough.
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I completely agree. Given I'm a +7 / 0 , I think that's the only thing we agree about, however. ^_^

What I find amusing is that I'm very socially liberal amongst my peers, and yet my score of 0 on libertarian / authoritarian is the highest one I've seen posted yet.

I think my views kind of screw up the Political Compass's quiz's ability to rank me. I suppose not hating gay people and also wanting drugs like cocaine to be illegal is mutually exclusive somehow. =P I feel neither Politopia nor Political Compass did a perfect job in ranking me, that's why I suggested two quizzes - the reality is probably somewhere in between. I think the real kicker was being strongly against abortion while also being in support of gay marriage / gay rights - I don't think the quiz knows what to do with an athiest pro-lifer, so it just says screw it, you're in between, I give up. ^_^

Perhaps even more amusing is how no current Western leader really falls within any of our ranges... Some of you are pretty close to Fidel Castro on the left scale, but he's definitely authoritarian, and no one here so far is even remotely authoritarian.
 
The first test: "North-You are a Northerner-a free marketeer-which means that you advocate a diminished role for the government in the economic realm. You are more or less pleased with the government's role in the personal realm."

The second test:

Economic Left/Right: 4.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.00

Both of these placed me where I pretty much expected to be.
 
On the first one, I scored right below Jesse Jackson.

For the compass, I'm at:

Economic -9.13
Social -8.41

I make Gandhi look like Margaret Thatcher, in other words.
 
First:

You would feel most at home in the Northwest region. You advocate a large degree of economic and personal freedom. Your neighbors include folks like Ayn Rand, Jesse Ventura, Milton Friedman, and Drew Carey, and may refer to themselves as "classical liberals," "libertarians," "market liberals," "old whigs," "objectivists," "propertarians," "agorists," or "anarcho-capitalist."
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Second:

Economic Left/Right: 2.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33
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max_cool said:
I'm the Dalai Lama bitches!

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.08
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Yeah? Well I'm Nelson Mandela.

Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64
 
iapetus said:
Yeah? Well I'm Nelson Mandela.

Economic Left/Right: -4.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64
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Oh yeah? I'm like some sort of comical space alien that doens't believe in property and shit.
 
Centerville-You would feel most at home in Centerville, which means that you are more or less pleased the status quo-you think the US government has just about the right amount of control over your economic and personal decisions. Your neighbors include democratic and republican party leaders and others who call themselves "moderates" and "centrists."
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Economic Left/Right: 1.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.46
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i used to be a bit more to the right but i'm centrist now....
 
Politopia said:
SW- You would feel most at home in the Southwest region You advocate a large degree of personal freedom and a large degree of government control over the economy. Your neighbors include such folks as Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton, and Zack de la Rocha of Rage Against the Machine, and may refer to themselves as "liberals," "left-wing liberals," "civil libertarians," "democratic socialists," "egalitarians," or "anarcho-socialists."
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I don't like the question where it lumps together environmental and business interests, and regulations with subsidies. Presenting "eliminate corporate welfare" and "promote environmental goals" as opposite sides of a spectrum seems goofy.

Political Compass said:
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.18
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My results last year
Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
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Shit. At this rate I'll be a centrist at 35.
 
Don't remember my previous results, but for this year I got:

Economic Left/Right: -6.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56

Doesn't seem as liberal as I'd expect, but some of those questions are kind of awkward. =/
 
Hmm...

Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.26

I always come across more "centrist" in these than I am. I mean, I want to outright ban all abortions -- doesn't that make me more "off center"?

I'm a social conservative and a fiscal moderate! Heheheh...
 
These things just are merely very broad types of polls; don't be surprised if you come off to be more of the opposite stripe than you'd generally expect. The way some of the questions were phrased, particularly the economic ones, were a bit wonky and I knew I was going to come off more leftist than I am in that regard. If JayDubya was looking to nail down posters a bit more, I don't think these tests are going to do any good in particular.
 
Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62

To be honest, it didn't ask too many questions I felt strongly about so I would probably have been different if more drugs and education questions were asked.

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polotopia said:
W- You would feel most at home in the Southwest region You advocate a large degree of personal freedom and a large degree of government control over the economy. Your neighbors include such folks as Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader, Hillary Clinton, and Zack de la Rocha of Rage Against the Machine, and may refer to themselves as "liberals," "left-wing liberals," "civil libertarians," "democratic socialists," "egalitarians," or "anarcho-socialists."
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Didn't like this one, poorly worded questions and generally a bit crap IMO
 
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

The other one sucks.
 
JayDubya said:
I completely agree. Given I'm a +7 / 0 , I think that's the only thing we agree about, however. ^_^
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Crazy thing is that unlike a lot of others who seem to be drifting towards the center I may be slowly drifting the opposite way. My last year score was

Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

What I find amusing is that I'm very socially liberal amongst my peers, and yet my score of 0 on libertarian / authoritarian is the highest one I've seen posted yet.
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Sure, but how does the GAF population compare to your real life crew?

I think my views kind of screw up the Political Compass's quiz's ability to rank me. I suppose not hating gay people and also wanting drugs like cocaine to be illegal is mutually exclusive somehow. =P
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I think this really is an indicatiopn that while the two dimensional scale these quizzes use are much better than the one dimensional left/right comparision, it's still limited. After all someone who hates gay people but wants cocaine to be legal would end up at the same point on the scale as you. Really what you need is a 2 graph for EVERY subject to get more information. So in the case of DRUGS you get this score, in the case of SEXUALITY you get this one. Using our answers to these questions as a starting point for debate isn't a bad idea.

I feel neither Politopia nor Political Compass did a perfect job in ranking me
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Well I have no idea what scales or metrics Politopia was using so I'll ignore that one, but in Political compass at last I know that whenever i answered a question that advocated government control it pushed me down the scale and where I didn't it pushed me up.

I think the real kicker was being strongly against abortion while also being in support of gay marriage / gay rights - I don't think the quiz knows what to do with an athiest pro-lifer, so it just says screw it, you're in between, I give up. ^_^
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Well hey we found something we agree on, I'm the same way on those two issues. That just means that we're authoritarian on the matter of abortion but liberal on the matter of gay rights, which probably cancels each other out; which makes sense. In any case the Political Compass didn't ask any overtly religious questions from what I can recall (or very very few) and so really has no idea whether you're an athiest or not (which doesn't matter politcally anyway).

As for the Western leaders thing I'd agree that no one really falls into GAF posters. Which is why so many people get so excited when someone shows up that gets close at least, Obama, Dean etc.
 
Last Year
Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

This year
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59

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here's Drinky's graph from last year.
 
The more accurate test put me at:

Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05


And the goofy one put me between Drew Carry and Ayn Rand. :lol


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BY THE WAY, Bush's map point should be about where the "sh" is in "Bush."

He's not a centrist. Anyone who would be railing against things like gay marriage and FOR teaching creationism in PUBLIC school... well, you know.
 
Xdrive05 said:
He's not a centrist. Anyone who would be railing against things like gay marriage and FOR teaching creationism in PUBLIC school... well, you know.
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Indeed.

I only took Politopia, which had stupid, out of date, and just plain bad policy options. It said:

West-You are a Westerner-a civil libertarian-which means that you advocate a diminished role for the government in the personal realm. You are more or less pleased with the government's role in the economic realm.

Edit: Political compass

Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59

I'm closer to communism than classical liberalism because I support state funding of cultural institutions? Huh? At least the questions are more reasonable.
 
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