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[ToxicAdam]

Come on Dems ... Obama ahead of FDR?!


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Roosevelt on Top 55 Years Ago

The results of a Gallup poll conducted some 55 years ago show how these rankings can change over time. In 1956, Gallup asked Americans to name the top three greatest presidents. The top vote getter at that time was Franklin Roosevelt, who had died only 11 years previously. Roosevelt was followed by Lincoln, Washington, and Dwight Eisenhower, the incumbent president at the time of that poll.

In before 'Reagan ruined the country'

 

[LaserBuddha]

This is going to be stupid.

 

[Branduil]

I can't agree with any presidential poll that doesn't have Washington at the top. If he was a different man we could be a monarchy right now.

 

[Blackface]

What did Reagan do that is so good? Being from Canada, it seems like it he was one the worst.

Please educate me.

 

[IrishNinja]

editor's note: 37% of reagan's vote came from the rich, 1% from the ketchup industry.

JFK4LYFE. nothing to do with irish background here, i assure you.

ps @ Washington - eveyone knows how he felt about the press, right?

 

[Blader]

Lincoln, wtf?

 

[JohnTinker]

 

[Kusagari]

What did Reagan do that is so good? Being from Canada, it seems like it he was one the worst.

Please educate me.

Nothing. The modern Republican party just loves him so much that the majority of them will vote for him which skews the results.

 

[Oblivion]

Not a fan of Reagan but Dubya being ahead of Jefferson and Eisenhower is far more LOL.

 

[Duki]

What did Reagan do that is so good? Being from Canada, it seems like it he was one the worst.

Please educate me.

literally ended the cold war

 

[RobertM]

I chuckle whenever hear "trickled-down economics".

 

[ToxicAdam]

What did Reagan do that is so good? Being from Canada, it seems like it he was one the worst.

Please educate me.

Quick, name another good Republican president since 1960.


Also, what makes you think he was the worst? Anything in particular, or just something you've heard repeated a million times?

 

[teh_pwn]

What did Reagan do that is so good? Being from Canada, it seems like it he was one the worst.

Please educate me.

There's a fantasy among Republican politics that Reagan was some sort of perfect conservative that everyone liked. While he did have some charisma, he was one of the most fiscally liberal presidents of all time. Sunk the country in hundreds of billions of dollars in debt on military junk. I don't think Republicans at the time liked him that much either. Revisionist history.

 

[Oblivion]

What did Reagan do that is so good? Being from Canada, it seems like it he was one the worst.

Please educate me.

Every bill he signed included some provision to lower taxes and he singlehandedly won the Cold War by giving Gorbachav stinkeye.

 

[TheSeks]

Please educate me.

Republicans have to latch onto a movie star. That's it.

Everything in America that's pretty much wrong right now snowballed/started with Reagen. (And I'm not laying blame solely on him, but he did start the screw ups)

Also JFK, bitches. I ain't even a democrat but the 60's were godly if history books were right.

 

[Boogie]

"In most recent poll, Republicans overwhelmingly unable to recognize the accomplishments of any president in the history of the United States, other than TEH REAGAN, and George Washington himself. Utter brainwashing of right-leaning Americans complete"

 

[Oblivion]

Quick, name another good Republican president since 1960.

Nixon, and Bush Sr.

 

[SolKane]

What did Reagan do that is so good? Being from Canada, it seems like it he was one the worst.

Please educate me.

dying recently

 

[Boogie]

Quick, name another good Republican president since 1960.

Nixon and Bush Sr, both objectively better than Reagan, imo, at 11:55pm on a Friday night with alcohol in my system.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Quick, name another good Republican president since 1960.

Nixon. I'm dead serious.

 

[wenis]

Yes! BOOYAH!

 

[mellowyellowod]

What did Reagan do that is so good? Being from Canada, it seems like it he was one the worst.

Please educate me.

People that like Reaganomics, really like Reaganomics and usually ignore his foreign policy gaffes. In polls like this people that hate Reaganomics don't subtract from the people who find him the best.

 

[Boogie]

Also, what makes you think he was the worst? Anything in particular, or just something you've heard repeated a million times?

The funny part is, the things that might make him "not worst" are things that push him away from the caricature viewpoint that Republicans today have of him (negotiation with Soviets, arms control initiatives, etc.)

 

[ToxicAdam]

Nixon, and Bush Sr.

In the eyes of Republicans? Please ...

Nixon. I'm dead serious.

GWB ranks higher than Nixon in this poll. Enough said.

 

[DanteFox]

woot.

Our boy Reagan. :]

 

[Boogie]

Nixon. I'm dead serious.

simultaneous post! hi five!

 

[teh_pwn]

Republicans have to latch onto a movie star. That's it.

Everything in America that's pretty much wrong right now snowballed/started with Reagen. (And I'm not laying blame solely on him, but he did start the screw ups)

Also JFK, bitches. I ain't even a democrat but the 60's were godly if history books were right.

Not everything. Nixon indirectly contributed to the obesity epidemic by pushing for heavy corn, soy, and other junk food ingredients to be subsidized. He was paranoid about food price fluctuations affecting his reelection (which never happened because of watergate). For this reason, HFCS is in everything from baby food, pretzels, yogurt, bread, milk, dried/frozen fruit, and just about anything else packaged at the grocery store. People are eating dozens of pounds more fructose per year than the were before 1970 even if they aren't intentionally eating sweets. It's why a burrito at taco bell is less than an apple.

 

[demon]

What did Reagan do that is so good? Being from Canada, it seems like it he was one the worst.

Please educate me.

He had a magnificent head of hair.

 

[Oozer3993]

"In most recent poll, Republicans overwhelmingly unable to recognize the accomplishments of any president in the history of the United States, other than TEH REAGAN, and George Washington himself. Utter brainwashing of right-leaning Americans complete"

Yes, because saying Clinton was our finest president is way better.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

In the eyes of Republicans? Please ...

Nixon I think still gets a lot of respect (rightfully so) over foreign policy. Domestically he wasn't really bad either.

 

[Boogie]

In the eyes of Republicans? Please ...

Well, that's not what you asked.

You said:

"name another good Republican president since 1960."

Not quite the same thing, is it?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

simultaneous post! hi five!

Woot!

Honestly Oliver Stone and Anthony Hopkins needs some credit, I saw that movie and felt a ton of respect and sympathy for him (of course I did go on to read about him and his policies and not just the movie). It really was a very even handed and dare I say (in some ways) positive portrait of a complicated man.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Well, that's not what you asked.

You said:

"name another good Republican president since 1960."

Not quite the same thing, is it?

Barely anyone over the age of 40 would say Nixon. His name is still mud among the average voter.

 

[speculawyer]

Iran-Contra
Amnesty
Negotiated with terrorists.
Cut & ran from Muslims
Saved social security through tax hikes.
Wanted to get rid of all nuclear weapons
Ran up a bigger debt than EVERY PRESIDENT BEFORE HIM COMBINED.

If GOPers had good memories, they wouldn't like him so much.

 

[Oblivion]

In the eyes of Republicans? Please ...

But...but Nixon liked wiretapping.

Also, Bush Sr. won the Gulf War. And real quick like too!

simultaneous post! hi five!

Hey, don't forget me, dog.

 

[Boogie]

Yes, because saying Clinton was our finest president is way better.

Kinda is, yeah. at least he presided over a budget surplus, which conservatives today love to fap over.

But if you're going to be all bitchy, lay out your criteria for rating a president, plz.

 

[Blader]

Also JFK, bitches. I ain't even a democrat but the 60's were godly if history books were right.

Which history books did you read?

 

[Buckethead]

Of course republicans like him, he paved the way for Rove and Cheney.

It's all about the Benjamins, baby.

 

[Oblivion]

Actually, TA I change my answer to Clinton and Obama. Just for shits.


:smug

 

[Boogie]

Which history books did you read?

Ya, that statement you quoted is just silly.

FDR, #1, bitches!

And I'm not just saying that to raise JayDubya's blood pressure!

 

[speculawyer]

Barely anyone over the age of 40 would say Nixon. His name is still mud among the average voter.

I would say that Nixon was the best Republican president since 60.

OK, maybe G HW Bush beats him but it is more fun to say Nixon.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Actually, TA I change my answer to Clinton and Obama. Just for shits.


:smug

Well, that's always a fun thing I do to hardcore conservatives. I tell them Clinton did more (via legislation) for their cause then Reagan ever did. They don't have any way to refute it.

I would say that Nixon was the best Republican president since 60.

But you're not a Republican. Nixon would probably be last among most Republicans old enough to remember.

 

[Oblivion]

Iran-Contra

GOPers don't give a shit about that one, I imagine.

 

[Oblivion]

Ya, that statement you quoted is just silly.

Woodrow Wilson #1, FDR, #2, bitches!

And I'm not just saying that to raise JayDubya's blood pressure!

If the original comment didn't, I'm sure that will.

 

[speculawyer]

GOPers don't give a shit about that one, I imagine.

Well . . . they don't care about the Contra part (which they should since it was ILLEGAL! law&order? LOL.) but selling missiles to Iran?

 

[Oblivion]

Well . . . they don't care about the Contra part (which they should since it was ILLEGAL! law&order? LOL.) but selling missiles to Iran?

Tell me, do you think they care that we sold chemical weapons to Saddam.

 

[teh_pwn]

I'm not sure who I'd put as #1. I like Thomas Jefferson, FDR, TR, but my history is getting iffy, and I'm not sure how much of it was bullshit to begin with. I don't understand how anyone can consider Obama as #1. Dude is letting the financial crisis crooks go free with their stolen money AND with free government loans to fuck over the poor all over again. Obama talks nice, but his actions aren't much better than Bush. At least FDR seemed to have balls and stand up against the corporate whoring of Washington, but then again my history is weak.

 

[speculawyer]

Lincoln, wtf?

Yes, Lincoln!

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

I'm just proud of Americans for being able to name a president who isn't the current one.

 

[xbhaskarx]

The first thing that stands out to me is Obama placing ahead of Teddy Roosevelt, Truman, Jefferson, Eisenhower, and Jackson, after two up-and-down years.

The second thing is, based on how high EVERY modern president (Nixon - Obama) in on that list, the average American has little historical knowledge or perspective.