PjotrStroganov
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davepoobond said:
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An enormous install base would be (and is) needed to make such games viable on a large scale.
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Gamasutra: Is the PSP a Failure???
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An enormous install base would be (and is) needed to make such games viable on a large scale.
Zombie James
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Oblivion said:
WARCOCK said:
The DS has sold about 37 million units, the PSP has done about 20 million (both worldwide). If the PSP didn't exist, would the DS have picked up the PSPs sales and be at over 50 million by now? That's what I mean by market expansion.
HyperionX said:
You're not seriously trying to contend this, are you? Did you just look at Monster Hunter Portable's sales and automatically assume everything is selling like that? Look at the NPD numbers. I don't think a single PSP game was in the top 50.
Zombie James
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WARCOCK said:
Wikipedia says roughly 25 million shipped as of the end of last year, so i brought it down and estimated 20 million sold.
HyperionX said:
Oh so wait once i pop hyperion in the search engine its going to give me a big bolded return "PSP 10k REPORT PROVING OBLIVION WRONG by HYPERION et. al.".
_leech_ said:
Shit what is that called? Leech's ass pulling theorem?
"Estimated shipped number- (Estimated shipped number*0.2) = TOTAL SALES"
Ugh sales age is so futile i totally give up. *hands soul to leech*
We know that it has sold 5.22 million in Japan (Media-Create, last week of March) and 7.0 million in the US (NPD, February 2007). You have to believe that the rest of the world's PSP sales match US and Japan together in order to accept that number, which is ridiculous.HyperionX said:
I don't know where 24 million comes from, I would guess shipments to retailers, but it's very unlikely that many have sold to end-users.
Zombie James
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WARCOCK said:
It doesn't matter what the PSPs actually sold, that wasn't the point of my post. The point i'm trying to make is that if the PSP didn't exist would the handheld market be the same size it's at now?
DemDereNads
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Monk said:You know i would love to say that the next gen psp is doomed, but the 360 has proven to me that customers wont lose faith in a brand if you release the next-gen version of it too early.
And if the next gen version of the psp doesnt have touch screen.... -1 sale.
PSP kill your dog or something? Would love to say it's doomed? rofl
And they have to be talking about a redesign, not PSP2. If they are saying PSP2 will be out in 18 months, they are retarded.
_leech_ said:
Nope. Without the DS it wouldn't be the same size either. DS is tracking ahead of the GBA. It already surpassed GBA sales in Japan.
If I were to explore your question more closely, if PSP didn't exist, the market would be smaller (subtract all the Sony fanthings who bought a PSP) but its software sales are so abysmal, with the exception of Capcom and Take2 most publishers would not have noticed.
Mariah Carey
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Certainly PSP isn't a disaster; hardware sells are solid and even the software sales aren't terrible as has been suggested (and good on Capcom and Sony for scoring a hit with MHP2).
That said, I would submit PSP as a failure in that it failed to achieve virtually any of Sony's lofty ambitions for the machine: UMD fell flat on its face, Sony has not stolen the market from Nintendo in either marketshare or mindshare (and let's face it, Sony wanted it to), PSP is no challenge to iPod in the portable convergence megastakes, and hasn't been able to expand the adult portable market (I know there are some arguing on here that it has, but Sony re-focusing their target demographic suggests PSP hasn't done so to their satisfaction).
But most of all, the fact that most people have a hard time envisioning a PSP2 (or atleast one as a natural extension of its predecessor) points to Sony's business model being broken: Sony can't continue in this market with their same line of thought. And that's what makes the PSP a failure.
That said, I would submit PSP as a failure in that it failed to achieve virtually any of Sony's lofty ambitions for the machine: UMD fell flat on its face, Sony has not stolen the market from Nintendo in either marketshare or mindshare (and let's face it, Sony wanted it to), PSP is no challenge to iPod in the portable convergence megastakes, and hasn't been able to expand the adult portable market (I know there are some arguing on here that it has, but Sony re-focusing their target demographic suggests PSP hasn't done so to their satisfaction).
But most of all, the fact that most people have a hard time envisioning a PSP2 (or atleast one as a natural extension of its predecessor) points to Sony's business model being broken: Sony can't continue in this market with their same line of thought. And that's what makes the PSP a failure.
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
They're still making PSPs?
Ah Sony, you brave chaps.
Ah Sony, you brave chaps.
Xisiqomelir
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I said earlier in this thread that PSP LTD worldwide was likely ~20 million, based on known MC and NPD data and extrapolating Europe and Australia. That extrapolation is unfortunate, but here's some corroboration from none other than Jack Tretton:
From the Mercury News, April 3:
That should settle the matter I think.
From the Mercury News, April 3:
That should settle the matter I think.
Actually, Neo Geo Pocket exceeded SNK's modest expectations. That platform was killed due to the Aruze buyout.Jewbacca said:
And Game Gear was pretty successful in western markets, netting comparable marketshare to PSP actually. In ways I think PSP and GG have much in common actually, resting primarily on console brand strength and watered down ports to get by for the most part. I wouldn't call either a "failure" though.
I think the PSP makes sense as a "Multifunction " Device better than the PS3 does. At home who cares if you have separate High Def movie players,game machines, computers for the internet.On the road it's a different matter, space/weight is at a premium so the more functionality you cram in the better. I just wish Sony didn't have to use there own proprietary mem cards.As for games, you really can't just port from consoles, you need to make the games ground up for the system to get the best results,keeping in mind the control scheme limitations.UMD's would be better if like the tiny burnable Cd's you could create content and burn them in a regular DVD drive.
Mariah Carey
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MoxManiac said:
According to some reports, PSP wouldn't still be on store shelves if Sony didn't agree to lower the price.
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
Zing.Mariah Carey said:
Ryu1999 said:
I think the PS3 may end up ok in the end. Significant price cut is a must. MGS4 and GT5 will move some units. Some good JRPGs, like soon. The PS3 has potential. The PSP is the DSL's toilet paper, software-wise. When the PSP hits $129 with a memory stick, I'll be tempted to pick one up and the VP remake.
HyperionX said:
Listen, it's pretty well known that Sony loves to embellish their numbers. I'm going by what we can accurately measure, NPD and Media Create numbers. And both those clearly show that PSP sales, minus very very few exceptions, are in the shitter.
Mariah Carey
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If the financials say Sony sold 24 million PSPs, that means they sold 24 million to retailers. Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft really have no way of knowing how much of their products sell to customers, which is the whole reason firms like NPD exist in the first place.
Xisiqomelir
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HyperionX said:
NPD/MC #51-X total >>>>>> #1-49 confirmed.
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