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Gamepro Feature: System Sellers: The Showdown. The winner is......

D3VI0US said:
"MGS4, Killzone 2, SOCOM 4, Gran Turisimo 5, Final Fantasy XIII, Ratchet & Clank"

I don't feel like all of those games combined have the system selling power that just Halo 3 does. I mean Halo 3 is going to be a Grand Slam where as anything listed falls in the Home Run category other than Gran Turismo and FF to a lesser extent. Sure they'll move some hardware but comparitively it won't even be close to what just one HUGE game from MS will do. The Xbox wasn't much more than a Halo box and by that token everyone who owned an Xbox that's interested in and hasn't gotten 360 yet will. Not to mention I doubt most of those games listed make 07.

Xbox was the Halo box, that is why it sold only 20M
 
MightyHedgehog said:
That's pretty damned incredible. That's WW sales LTD, right? Someone with the data should create a list for numbers of million sellers for each platform in its first year. That'd be really interesting to see...
Yeah... I'd imagine a few more games are likely close to breaking 1m (PGR3, Kameo, Splinter Cell DA, etc). Wii's not doing bad either and it's got a few more releases sure to cross the million mark as well already (Wario Ware, Red Steel). Out of the current PS3 lineup though, Resistance is really the only potnetial million seller released imo.... and it's still got quite a ways to crawl (it's not even 500k yet ww).


SuperSonic1305 said:
:lol That's a joke right? You forget that Gran Turismo 3 outsold 99.9% of the game released last gen and you are obviously forgetting all the great 1st party Sony games there were last gen.
I'm not talking about 2000 or 2002, I'm talking about 2006+.


Ynos Yrros said:
Like I said earlier, PS2 had the most 1st party multimillion sellers out of last-gen consoles.
Sony also had the most releases by a huge margin... proportionately, I'm not sure their games even sold the most 1st party wise. Actually, I'd suspect GBA being top dog last gen 1st party wise (it's certainly going to be DS this gen).

As an aside, in going from N64 to GameCube, we saw the loss of userbase almost always correlate with significantly lowered sales for the 1st party catalogue... can we expect PS3 to get similar results if it can't manage a PS2 level base? If 360 and Wii are leading PS3, will GT still outsell Halo and Mario? I dunno... these "PS2 1st party" arguments sound a lot like N64-era Nintendo fans during GC's formative years.


CurlySaysX said:
This is the reason i and 100,000,000 users chose the PlayStation brand over anything else.
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...funny, it's arguably the PlayStation with the strongest 1st party lineup and it's probably going to sell about as well as Genesis or (if it's lucky) N64. :P


wazoo said:
Xbox was the Halo box, that is why it sold only 20M
Wow... nice that 360's already shipped half that then with Halo 3 still roughly a year away. :P
 
Perfect Dark Zero sold a million copies? I thought all of Rare's games have pretty much bombed in terms of sales (Grabbied by the ghoulies, pdz, conker, viva pinata).
 
Synth_floyd said:
Perfect Dark Zero sold a million copies? I thought all of Rare's games have pretty much bombed in terms of sales (Grabbied by the ghoulies, pdz, conker, viva pinata).

I think it sold ~ 600.000 in USA (LE included), so if you include all other territories (Europe, Australia, etc.) it should be over 1 million shipped for sure.
 
Synth_floyd said:
Perfect Dark Zero sold a million copies? I thought all of Rare's games have pretty much bombed in terms of sales (Grabbied by the ghoulies, pdz, conker, viva pinata).

Launch games sell well. People have to buy something.
 
Martoo said:
I agree with this article.

You people who are having a melt down over it need to step back and see what it's saying. System sellers, not 'winner of the console war'. And frankly, the PS3 will have more. I don't like any of them, but the average Joe sure does.

You think the average person knows what Mass Effect is? To be honest, I don't even know what it is.

QFT.

PS3 easily has more big name titles than 360 or Wii. Doesn't mean the PS3 will outsell the 360. Personally I would rate the Wii the lowest, not the 360. Mario Party? Mario Kart? Mario Galaxy? Prime Snoozefest 3? Pass, pass, pass, pass. Wii Sports? No thanks. Typical Nintendo console, once you get past the 1st party stuff there isn't much left.
 
Andokuky said:
QFT.

PS3 easily has more big name titles than 360 or Wii. Doesn't mean the PS3 will outsell the 360. Personally I would rate the Wii the lowest, not the 360. Mario Party? Mario Kart? Mario Galaxy? Prime Snoozefest 3? Pass, pass, pass, pass. Wii Sports? No thanks. Typical Nintendo console, once you get past the 1st party stuff there isn't much left.
so your personal dislike of wii sports and other nintendo games make the Wii a failure right..:lol :lol :lol ?

you completely disregard that all those titles sell multimillion copies worldwide
 
farnham said:
so your personal dislike of wii sports and other nintendo games make the Wii a failure right..:lol :lol :lol ?

you completely disregard that all those titles sell multimillion copies worldwide

It's called an opinion, and that's all it is, just like the article. And where did I say the Wii is or would be a failure?
 
Andokuky said:
It's called an opinion, and that's all it is, just like the article. And where did I say the Wii is or would be a failure?

The article is about system sellers, not about how good the game is.
 
farnham said:
so your personal dislike of wii sports and other nintendo games make the Wii a failure right..:lol :lol :lol ?

you completely disregard that all those titles sell multimillion copies worldwide

no, what he said, at least for the titles he mentioned, you got the usual suspects of every Nintendo console selling millions to the core base, but completely ignored by everybody else (and I bet Nintendo is not counting on them to expand the market as they say)
 
wazoo said:
no, what he said, at least for the titles he mentioned, you got the usual suspects of every Nintendo console selling millions to the core base, but completely ignored by everybody else (and I bet Nintendo is not counting on them to expand the market as they say)

What

The hell..the PS3 is a piece of crap.

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It's all sequels for now

Weren't Wii Sprts and Wii Play like some of the (if not THE) most succesful games of the Christmas period around the world? Wtf are they talking about? Somebody bitchslap them.
 
Pureauthor said:

What I meant is that Nintendo is more relying to Wii Sports and comparable games for their strategy. Otherwise they will be stuck into their shrinking niche market.
 
Can someone explain something to me?

So which console emerges victorious? It was a close one...

1. PS3

So many of these games are surefire blockbusters such as MGS4, Killzone 2, SOCOM 4, Gran Turisimo 5, Final Fantasy XIII, Ratchet & Clank...and the list goes on.


2. Wii

The biggest hindrance for Nintendo and the Wii is the lack of new franchises. It's all sequels for now, and while the short term success of Nintendo's established products may have the staying power to thrive for a while, everything goes stale at some point.

How can any kind of reasonable, sensible journalist use one criteria as support for one system but mark it against another? Especially when every single title this person listed for the PS3 is a sequel.

This article is really stupid when it comes down to it anyway. This certainly isn't the order of system sellers as it is right now. I'd actually argue that the order goes in reverse of what is listed. I don't understand why this article was written. If we're talking about who has the biggest name sequels, I guess this could apply. But anybody with any sense of rationality could see that it doesn't matter about the games we're getting in two or three years, the system sellers are going to be the ones coming out sooner rather than later.

I just think it's amusing because I doubt even two of those games listed for PS3 will actually hit retail shelves by the end of 2007.
 
Hero said:
Can someone explain something to me?



How can any kind of reasonable, sensible journalist use one criteria as support for one system but mark it against another? Especially when every single title this person listed for the PS3 is a sequel.

This article is really stupid when it comes down to it anyway. This certainly isn't the order of system sellers as it is right now. I'd actually argue that the order goes in reverse of what is listed. I don't understand why this article was written. If we're talking about who has the biggest name sequels, I guess this could apply. But anybody with any sense of rationality could see that it doesn't matter about the games we're getting in two or three years, the system sellers are going to be the ones coming out sooner rather than later.

I just think it's amusing because I doubt even two of those games listed for PS3 will actually hit retail shelves by the end of 2007.

So how close to system launch does a real system seller have to come out this generation? 6 months?
 
i don't see anything wrong with them giving props to the PS3 for what it has in the pipeline....i mean the line-up is white hot. if it's a repeat, which is highly likely, it'll have a lot of something for everybody. it's why i loved my PS2 and why i HAVE to have a PS3. but i don't understand why that means they (and some here) have to be so beyond retarded when it comes to the other 2 consoles. is it really impossible to say that while the PS3 has the strongest potential blockbusters the 360 and Wii are no slouches either? of course it's not impossible....i just did it. just seems like a GP Sony circle-jerk. but this is the magazine that had, "what can MS do to save the 360?" as a front cover headline BEFORE PS3 and Wii even launched. i mean.....really? can you take these guys serious?

oh, an :lol at the PS3 getting praised for sequels but the Wii getting slammed for them. like.....did most of you miss that or just 'glazed over it' since it supported your videogame overlord (and that kind of rabid fanboyism is the most pathetic shit since.....well ever:lol )?

please people, for the millionth time, play GAMES not CORPORATIONS!!!
 
antiloop said:
So how close to system launch does a real system seller have to come out this generation? 6 months?

Meh - a system-seller can come out at any point. For various reasons, it's perhaps more likely that they will hit in the second- or third-generation of software releases - games like Sonic the Hedgehog or Final Fantasy VII turned up relatively late - but other system-sellers, like Mario 64 or Wii Sports, have hit at launch.
 
[...]The biggest hindrance for Nintendo and the Wii is the lack of new franchises. It's all sequels for now[...]
[...]So many of these games are surefire blockbusters such as MGS4, Killzone 2, SOCOM 4, Gran Turisimo 5, Final Fantasy XIII, Ratchet & Clank[...]
lol

Oh, and for once Nintendo has a stable of new IP's in the first year of a new console (among which are 2 system sellers), and now they are supposedly all sequels? Oh well, the entire article raises questionmarks..
 
jaypah said:
think of all the people who only had a PS2 and PS1....those guys have to read something.


Then they should read a magazine that is specifically related to the PS consoles instead of a magazine posing to be multiformat but in reality all about Sony. Just my opinion.
 
Most of the system sellers for the 360 this year are new IPs.

Games like Lost Planet, Crackdown, Mass Effect, Too Human, Blue Dragon...these are the big titles of the first half of 2007 (along with Forza 2, Guitar Hero 2, MLB 2k7, GRAW 2, DDR Universe, and Command and Conquer 3, all of which have huge casual appeal).

The truth is most of these games will sell better than any of Sony or Nintendo's releases simply due to userbase size. Sony fans are going to have to realize the difference between 'system sellers' and 'good games that sell well because there are 20 million + console owners per territory' (see: Waverace 64 compared to Waverace: Blue Storm, or 1080 Snowboarding compared to 1080 Avalanche, or Star Fox 64 compared to Star Fox Assault. What happened?)

I'm willing to bet, if they came out this year,

The Getaway
SOCOM
Ratchet and Clank
Killzone
Zone of the Enders with no Metal Gear Demo

would not go multiplatinum.

On the other hand,

Metal Gear
Final Fantasy
Gran Turismo

would (it's too bad only Metal Gear is landing in 2007).

Madden 2008, Grand Theft Auto 4, Winning Eleven 2008, or Guitar Hero 3 will probably end up being the best-selling PS3 game of the year. All multiplatform, all sequels.

I think a lot of hearts will be broken when Too Human outsells Heavenly Sword, Forza outsells Motorstorm and F1 combined, and Virtua Fighter 5 sells better on 360.
 
The problem with much of the potential million seller games coming out is that they are already targetting the demographics already owning the console in question. For example, Halo 3 will probably do quite well, but how many FPS/Halo fans do not already have an X360 in order to play the other great FPS and 3d shooters already on the system? On the other hand, X360 has a potential system seller many people are overlooking - multiplayer online independent games via Marketplace and Arcade.

Nintendo has it better - many traditional Nintendo fans bought the GameCube version of Zelda, leaving only a library of ports and casual / party games which may not be to everybody's taste. For these people, Super Smash Bros, Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Bros Brawl and Fire Emblem will be system sellers. And Nintendo doesn't mind them coming on board at a later date - this way, the current limited Wii supply will go to fans of the current product pallate.

Sony probably won't have many "stand-out" individual system sellers (except third party efforts such as MGS:4 and the next Final Fantasy), but Sony is really ramping up production of a lot of titles in a variety of genres with several dozen titles allegedly in production. Sony will probably manage to create a very broad selection of titles which will help it out in the next two years - broader than that of the other two consoles (at least first/second party). However, this can also be to Sony's disadvantage - at its current price, a single Singstar title, or a single Team Ico title, or a single Clank title won't sell the console. The other two companies have a definate advantage with their more narrow product portfolio (and reduced price) in this respect.
 
Pureauthor said:
The article is about system sellers, not about how good the game is.

Uh... yea.

And in the authors opinion, all those Nintendo franchises are system sellers. I wouldn't buy a Wii for any of those system sellers so the Wii would be on the bottom of my list. Hell the GCN had prequels to all of those system sellers and it still ended up in 3rd.
 
jon61586 said:
Then they should read a magazine that is specifically related to the PS consoles instead of a magazine posing to be multiformat but in reality all about Sony. Just my opinion.

of course, i totaly agree. i was just poking fun at their problem.
 
jarrod said:
I'm not talking about 2000 or 2002, I'm talking about 2006+.

Sony also had the most releases by a huge margin... proportionately, I'm not sure their games even sold the most 1st party wise. Actually, I'd suspect GBA being top dog last gen 1st party wise (it's certainly going to be DS this gen).
GT4 also sold more than HALO 2 did. And we are talking about 1st party here, SONY has the biggest first party out of everyone in next-gen console race. They also have the most 1st party multimillion sellers under their wings. And that's it. And that's a fact. So how can anyone say that Nintendo or Microsoft have better 1st party?

Though I start to believe that XBox 360 starts to gather alot of third party support, it doesn't have the BIG franchises, but it does have alot of BIG new games.
 
I totally agree with gamepro, about the PS3 having the best lineup, but I would put the 360 ahead of the Wii.

The Wii up coming lineup is looking pretty terrible right now.
 
KTallguy said:
Well, that's a ballsy statement. I don't think that's true.

However, stuff like White Knights and the FF games will obviously move more units then Blue Dragon. Lost Odyssey also needs a good 'quality up' before we can consider it a 'system seller'.
jarrod said:
Combined? They'll move quite a bit more honestly... really, I think Forza 2's probably going to move 1-2 million itself this year (based on Forza clearing a million near Xbox 1's death knell), ditto for Mass Effect (considering KOTOR cleared 1.5m). Really, all those titles are potential million sellers if things go right for them...

If we look at next/new gen console million sellers so far...

Xbox 360
-Call of Duty 2 (Activision)
-Call of Duty 3 (Activision)
-Dead or Alive 4 (Tecmo)
-Dead Rising (Capcom)
-Fight Night Round 3 (EA Sports)
-Gears of War (MGS)
-Lost Planet: Extreme Condition (Capcom)
-Madden NFL 07 (EA Sports)
-Need for Speed: Most Wanted (Electronic Arts)
-Perfect Dark Zero (MGS)
-The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (2K Games)
-Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter (Ubisoft)

Wii
-The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
-Wii Play (Nintendo)
-Wii Sports (Nintendo)

PlayStation 3
-none

It's obviously an exaggeration but the point remains.
Forza wil probably sell the most among them, but I doubt that it will ever be in the same ballpark with GT.
And bringing up Kotor doesn't count, that was a Star Wars game of course it's going to sell. A much more fitting comparison is Jade Empire which failed to sell a million worldwide according to vgcharts.org. That is probably why Mass Effect looks like a shooter, to trick the Xbox demographic.
Alan Wake looks like an adventure game, I doubt it does good numbers.
And looking at how poorly System Shock2 did, I can't but help thinking that Bioshock will share the same fate, no one wants to play intelligent games.

And while there is a few good selling RPGs out there like FF most don't do good at all, which I don't see how Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata or Lost Odyssey will move many units.
 
Gamepro seems to be buying into a lot of sony's PR without using much critical thinking...

For example... Do they actually believe the BS about ps3 being a 10 year system? That would be remarkable and i don't see any conceivable way it could happen, unless your talking about a lingering presence during ps4's lifespan..

Sony needs to stop thinking in such an overblown long term fashion, and worry about the next couple of years... They need to get the system over this initial hump or it may not even last 5+years before they have to ditch it. The next year is totally critical and the next two years could be potentially fatal if it doesn't take off at some point.
 
Krowley said:
Gamepro seems to be buying into a lot of sony's PR without using much critical thinking...

For example... Do they actually believe the BS about ps3 being a 10 year system? That would be remarkable and i don't see any conceivable way it could happen, unless your talking about a lingering presence during ps4's lifespan..

Sony needs to stop thinking in such an overblown long term fashion, and worry about the next couple of years... They need to get the system over this initial hump or it may not even last 5+years before they have to ditch it. The next year is totally critical and the next two years could be potentially fatal if it doesn't take off at some point.

Hidden message received.
 
krypt0nian said:
Hidden message received.

:lol

I won't deny that the ps3 smells like doom to me... There is no question about it. I've felt that way ever since the price was announced at E3 and so far it's going even worse than I expected (but following the exact pattern that i thought it might)

edit// But for the record, my definition of doom for the ps3 is gamecube level sales... So i guess that's not exactly a total failure.
 
Kapsama said:
All those games, while of high quality, won't move a million in software sales combined. (in the US)
I'd be willing to bet (my account) that at least one of those games will.
But a bet like that would take years to play out.

So I'd like to bet 6 months that Mass Effect sells a million within 3 months of release, you game?
 
Infernal Monkey said:
Soooo they praise the PS3 because of endless sequels, but Nintendo's downfall will be endless sequels. While apparently the 360 has nothing at all coming this year other than Halo 3.

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that's how it read to me too.
 
Infernal Monkey said:
Soooo they praise the PS3 because of endless sequels, but Nintendo's downfall will be endless sequels. While apparently the 360 has nothing at all coming this year other than Halo 3.


Sequels from a 100 million+ selling machine = good

Sequels from a 20 million + selling machine = not so good.


Also didn't Jarrod use to be funny? Now he's just whiny and annoying :(
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
Most of the system sellers for the 360 this year are new IPs.

Games like Lost Planet, Crackdown, Mass Effect, Too Human, Blue Dragon...these are the big titles of the first half of 2007 (along with Forza 2, Guitar Hero 2, MLB 2k7, GRAW 2, DDR Universe, and Command and Conquer 3, all of which have huge casual appeal).

The truth is most of these games will sell better than any of Sony or Nintendo's releases simply due to userbase size. Sony fans are going to have to realize the difference between 'system sellers' and 'good games that sell well because there are 20 million + console owners per territory' (see: Waverace 64 compared to Waverace: Blue Storm, or 1080 Snowboarding compared to 1080 Avalanche, or Star Fox 64 compared to Star Fox Assault. What happened?)

I'm willing to bet, if they came out this year,

The Getaway
SOCOM
Ratchet and Clank
Killzone
Zone of the Enders with no Metal Gear Demo

would not go multiplatinum.

On the other hand,

Metal Gear
Final Fantasy
Gran Turismo

would (it's too bad only Metal Gear is landing in 2007).

Madden 2008, Grand Theft Auto 4, Winning Eleven 2008, or Guitar Hero 3 will probably end up being the best-selling PS3 game of the year. All multiplatform, all sequels.

I think a lot of hearts will be broken when Too Human outsells Heavenly Sword, Forza outsells Motorstorm and F1 combined, and Virtua Fighter 5 sells better on 360.

This is the first mention of GH2 I've seen in this thread. A game doesn't have to be 1st or 2nd party to be a system seller. Correct me if I'm wrong, but GH2 was the #1 selling game of the holiday according to NPD. The first next-gen iteration of the franchise should sell systems. I'm always hearing about how all 360 games cater to the same demographic. Bald space marine jokes are about as fresh as non-game jokes. Well, GH2 caters to a whole other audience.
 
Krowley said:
Gamepro seems to be buying into a lot of sony's PR without using much critical thinking...

For example... Do they actually believe the BS about ps3 being a 10 year system? That would be remarkable and i don't see any conceivable way it could happen, unless your talking about a lingering presence during ps4's lifespan..

Sony needs to stop thinking in such an overblown long term fashion, and worry about the next couple of years... They need to get the system over this initial hump or it may not even last 5+years before they have to ditch it. The next year is totally critical and the next two years could be potentially fatal if it doesn't take off at some point.


The PSOne lasted around 10 years and the PS2 looks to following a similar trend since it is going into 7 years now and still going strong. Also, remember that the PS2 hasn't even hit $99 yet and it will probably go even lower in that from the future. I believe the PS3 could last ten years. Also, why are people insinuating it is going to be $500 and $600 forever. Sony must drop the price eventually which will obviously lead to more sales. From what I've heard, they are already finding ways to reduce manufacturing costs for the PS3 this early into it's life, so I wouldn't count them out yet.
 
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