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Gamer Nexus: COLLAPSE of Personal Computing
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Zathalus
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If it becomes too expensive to build an entry level PC, it would be too expensive to build a console. Cheering on increased PC pricing when consoles are built out of those very components is a bit silly.
And no, Sony and Nintendo don't have nearly the economies of scale to get around that fact.
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GrayChild
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At this point, there's a higher risk of future consoles to become Cloud-based and without even optional disc drives than desktop PCs going extinct.
Judge Magister
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Witchilich
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This guy is so annoying
Gamezone
Gold Member
I don't think it's very feasible to believe it's possible for the entire world to go cloud based on these things. The hardware still has to be there, the infrastructure might not be there, and there's added latency.
Gamezone
Gold Member
It might be the end of affordable high end PC parts, which is fine. I just bought my son a 2070 Super, and it's fine. Still rocking DDR4 and AM4 CPU. You can literally run AAA games on a Snapdragon phone, and the technology keeps improving there as well. Question is if high end PC's are necessary.
Prodyhig
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I think you're mistaken. Traditional consoles like those from Sony and Nintendo, even if they raise their prices, will be able to maintain supply without impacting consumers.
Valve, for example, still has no stock of Steam Deck today, which tells us that Valve doesn't have the capacity to supply its customers.
SteamMachine is already a failed machine due to the supply chain issues.
Zathalus
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Large PC companies can maintain supply. Dell, HP, ASUS, MSI, these companies will all be able to maintain supply, although they will be forced to raised prices obviously.
Small PC focused companies like those in the video are certainly threatened, but the mistake is assuming that they encompass a majority or even a largeish segment of PC component sales. Thermal Grizzly and Hyte are the niche of the niche, and even Cooler Master isn't even that large.
As for Valve, they are hardly hardware focused. Steam Deck is 5-6 million sales at most, I doubt the Steam Machine would even beat that. Valve can utterly scrap all hardware plans right now and the impact on the overall PC market would be insignificant. Most PC gamers are probably more interested in the work they do with Proton or SteamOS than the Steam Machine.
Now if companies like Dell or HP are unable to maintain supply, than kiss readily console availability goodbye as well.
As I said, consoles and consumer PC electronics all drink from the same well. That well dries up and it is a disaster for all.
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DenchDeckard
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Own nothing, stream everything. No thanks Jensen!
winjer
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Motherboard Sales fall 44% as Memory Prices Disrupt PC Upgrades
The whole market is fucked up, big time.
The whole market is fucked up, big time.
Honey Bunny
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Ram gets crazy expensive > manufacturers are incentivised to make more > supply eventually increases. It wont be like this forever. Although you will be buying lower quality chinese ram next build.
uncreativename
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Says the youtuber who probably got his PC for free from some company
Sept Terrion Of Nothing
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In my life I always try to be open minded about everything. But I really cannot stand this guy. I don't know why? Maybe because he's speaking too fast or the aura he's giving or something else entirely.
I tried to watch his videos but I couldn't. He is so irritating for me.
CentralScrutinizer
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He has "resting douchebag face". The hair doesn't help. I don't mind the things he says and there's a lot of insight to what he says, but his image isn't helping much.
He's not Dreamcast guy levels of bad, but he's in the same boat.
On topic: the market will speak, but I for one think it's a GOOD THING for developers and engine manufacturers to stop focusing on chasing endless power and throwing more hardware at a problem and instead focus on optimizing for the hardware that's already out there.
Say what you want about Nintendo's weak hardware but they know how to optimize. (Pokemon isn't Nintendo developed so save the snark).
pudel
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...the content he does is pretty good. He just not glaze about everything and points out actual problems and developments in the tech/pc space....its unfortunately no "feel good" content.
MrAlwaysRight
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My only issue with Gamer Nexus is he's always wrong about everything, he takes a hot topic and then exaggerates it to make content.
amigastar
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Gamezone
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Good to know that consoles doesn't have RAM or SSD, so that these issues are completely avoidable. Never mind the recent PS5 price increase, also. I'm sure people will be happy to pay $1300 for a PS6. If they don't scrap it all tougheter and make it cloud based that is.
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Cumulus
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please elaborate where the numbers he gets from the official vendors on camera are wrong.
These guys may be a bit on the pessimistic side and ofc do the same clickbaity titles everyone on YT does, but there are very few outlets that do that kind of extensive research and lay it open....
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Gamezone
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He's not wrong, but you could argue that the whole personal computers will be cloud based is moving into conspiracy waters. The guy is making money by selling Microslop t-shirts.
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Prodyhig
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Sony and Nintendo can mitigate the impact of RAM and SSD costs because they are large companies that make large purchases. But the average user who buys a PC from scratch cannot. When a console user buys a PlayStation 6 for $1300, a PC user will be paying $2300.
Laptop1991
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I like him and his channel, and he stands up for the PC and PC gamers and doesn't side with the corpo's, good site.
Gamezone
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They can? Why did they just increase the price? And why can't Valve mitigate the impact?
Cumulus
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for sure.
The projected outcome seems extreme so I generally don´t agree with that (yet). But the insight into the sheer numbers and legal documents is something you usually simply don`t get or don`t have the time to dig out for yourself.
From a "journalistic work" standpoint these guys are pretty good. Delivery and "style" ...well. I´ll just take the info.
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To be fair - corporations have been salivating at killing personal computing since the early 90ies, the idea of 'terminal for everyone' was always the wet dream of every bean counter that wants to bill users for their time per minute, and that's the end game of all this if it happens - you won't be given a choice if your life literally depends on AI usage and the only way to use it is through benevolent Jensen... I mean NVid.... I mean corporate dictatorships...
But I digress - AI open source models still trucking along about 12 months behind the frontier is the hope against hope that this will not come to pass.
Yes - it probably won't save gaming - but maybe our souls
Meanwhile - AIs are quietly parsing these posts...
Prodyhig
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I remind you that when the sudden 200% increase in RAM prices occurred around November of last year across all retailers, the console maintained its original price. Furthermore, Sony announced a price increase of approximately €100 for the console, yet it remained at the old price for a month. That's what you call mitigating price increases. Any PC user who was going to buy two memory modules was suddenly hit with the price hike.
pudel
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Its just worst case thinking...I am doing the same...always. Nothing wrong with that imho.
TheSHEEEP
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Doubt they will.
Even with increased prices, the advantages still far outweigh:
- Access to WAY more games
- Including console exclusives. Those only last until emulation catches up, and it always does. FOMO is a you-issue, not a platform issue.
- Games are much cheaper - depending on how many of those you buy/play, even at increased prices PC is a drastically better long-term investment.
- Modding (yes, a handful of games offer modding on console, but it is severely limited). Very often, a modded game is the best version a game can be as it is personalized to YOUR preferences.
- Can do other things on monitors 2, 3, 4.... while gaming. I sure make use of that a lot.
- Depending on how you live/what you do, you might need a PC anyway - you definitely don't need a console anyway.
But that might not be a bad thing.
Many hobbies have their best times when they are big enough to sustain themselves, but not big enough to be mainstream - usually you have to gatekeep to achieve that, it seems AI is doing the job this time...
If PC gaming went back from mainstream to niche, I wouldn't be all too upset about it.
Also, if you were already willing and capable to put 1000-2000 on the table for a decent gaming rig, please don't pretend like another 500-1000 on top for the same power is suddenly gonna stop you.
It will make upgrades happen less often.
Then again, the exact same is gonna happen for consoles.
People who believe consoles will be exempt from any of those price issues and shortages are delusional.
The only thing I see actually gaining traction in this, at least potentially, is cloud gaming.
But even that was mostly dead because of all the issues with it - those didn't go away. And their clouds are also more expensive to maintain now.
Who knows, maybe LAN cafés will make a glorious comeback.
Plebs withering away in the streets while the wealthy sip their lattes as they game
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Zathalus
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The average PC user does not buy RAM directly from the three large memory manufacturers. Most PCs come from prebuilts, and Dell/HP/Others also had a few months pass before price increases hit hard. Hence why people were recommending prebuilts over December/January because it was simply cheaper than building one yourself.
The console maintained its original price as Sony still had stock of DRAM and NAND from previous contracts. As soon as those contracts or deliveries were up you got the price increase. And it was quite a bit more than just $100. The PS5 Pro went up $200 and the base PS5 went from $400 ($450 if just talking the slim model)->$600, another $150-$200 jump. Yes, it was at $500 before, but that was partly from tariffs last year - which Sony no longer has to pay as they were struck down. So, $450 was the price before the DRAM disaster, $600 was after.
Lets say DRAM doubles again. PS5 would go up to $800-$900 for the base digital console, PS5 Pro would be over $1200. PS6? $1000-$1100 at best. You think a console can thrive with prices that high? And no, Sony cannot absorb a loss of that scale. Nor can they purchase DRAM for significantly cheaper when prices are that high, because for the simple reason that if prices are that high its a sellers market. You think Samsung is going to give Sony a discount because they asked nicely? Nah they would just laugh and offer the DRAM to those who are willing to pay.
The only hope for console and PC gaming both is a reduction in DRAM/NAND pricing. Anything else impacts everyone. Its a fantasy to think a entry level PC would be $2500+ while you can pick up a PS5/6 for $600-$700.
Same ol G
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I really don't care, i said the guy was an idiot with a fanbase, your point doesn't change that.
Cumulus
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Ah the usual pathetic ad hominem instead of any factual arguments....
Then please, name better sources for that kind of insider information because I honestly could do with a better/different presentation myself.
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enjoy your one shitty new sony game every year, and your 1 tired last gen looking nintendo game every 1.5 years..
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Topher
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Buggy Loop
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Cumulus
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I´m sure the horse carriage drivers and lamp lighter workers said similar things.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Enjoying the video so far allbeit a little grim. Hug your 5090s tighter folks.
Prodyhig
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You're proving my point that companies like Sony or Nintendo can mitigate those prices, while users who buy PCs piece by piece can't.
Article from November 2025:
[News] 64GB DDR5 RAM Reportedly Now Pricier Than a PlayStation 5 Amid Soaring Memory Costs
Driven by explosive AI demand, memory prices are climbing at a pace the industry hasn’t seen in years. According to TechNews, citing PCMag, PC RAM cos...
www.trendforce.com
I quote:
"The report notes that, compared with earlier this year, price increases now range from 120% to 200%, particularly for newer DDR5 modules. Data from PCPartPicker.com shows that the average price for a pair of 32GB DDR5 sticks (64GB total) has surpassed $600, up from around $200. The report also indicates, citing PCPartPicker, that prices for both DDR4 and DDR5 continue to rise.
For 128GB of DDR5 RAM, prices can reach $1,000—a steep jump from the typical $400 range. The report further highlights that this far exceeds the price of a PS5 Pro, which is currently discounted to $649 for Black Friday."
That means that in November 2025 you already had that price increase, but Sony announced the price hike for its console on April 1, 2026.
That's called mitigating prices, and that's what I'm referring to.
PC gaming doesn't have that.
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RoboFu
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You can view Jensen two different ways.
- as a shrewd businessman who will do and say anything to make money.
- as a shady businessman who will do or say anything to make money.
Basically IMO he says these things right now to increase investor activity who are all in a tizzy buying up AI related stocks . Jensen is basically telling investors that AI is first and foremost for us right now. It doesn't really mean it's true or wouldn't instantly turn around in the future. If/when that investor craze dies down.
- as a shrewd businessman who will do and say anything to make money.
- as a shady businessman who will do or say anything to make money.
Basically IMO he says these things right now to increase investor activity who are all in a tizzy buying up AI related stocks . Jensen is basically telling investors that AI is first and foremost for us right now. It doesn't really mean it's true or wouldn't instantly turn around in the future. If/when that investor craze dies down.