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[duckroll]

Has a secret movie ever not been an upcoming release?

But the secret movie in Birth by Sleep and Re:Coded was Re:Connect Kingdom Hearts. Which is KH3D. Sure, BbS FM had something else, but I think it would be foolish as a fan of the KH franchise to not suspect that the it might not end up being some sort of troll or inferior spin-off rehash, especially when the true follow up has been in actual development for 2 years and is coming out now.

One game exists, the other does not. We know the BbS game has made a true sequel, and it is KH3D. What the other tease is, we do not know. That's my point.

 

[StuBurns]

But the secret movie in Birth by Sleep and Re:Coded was Re:Connect Kingdom Hearts. Which is KH3D. Sure, BbS FM had something else, but I think it would be foolish as a fan of the KH franchise to not suspect that the it might not end up being some sort of troll or inferior spin-off rehash, especially when the true follow up has been in actual development for 2 years and is coming out now.

One game exists, the other does not. We know the BbS game has made a true sequel, and it is KH3D. What the other tease is, we do not know. That's my point.

Well I'm not suggesting it's a PSV game or anything. Personally I feel like they've taxed it a little too much between the numbered entries. KH3D should be the last interim title, at least I hope it is.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Again - i understand how the 3DS MH sales were interpreted as trolling but that wasn't the case. The bravado that followed was a bit much but, hey, it helped ignite a bit of sales age fun (and annoy this piss out of others - apologies).

Alright then I'll get off your back, but given the current state of affairs in Japan it should not shock or offend you when people wonder openly just what exactly the plan is for the Vita. It's true that no one can predict the future, but every quantifiable metric and every piece of evidence we have so far indicates a bleak outlook in Japan. Assuming that the Vita will succeed in Japan requires a leap of faith without any substantial basis.

I ignored the 3DS until Nintendo went into panic mode. I would be happy to reverse my negativity on Vita if Sony demonstrated that they're willing to price it attractively and provide games I want to play. For the moment, however, no one knows what the fuck they're thinking.

 

[Kusagari]

I agree with the Elder Scrolls. I think a portable Elder Scrolls could really be a killer app. Playing Skyrim on the go would be nuts.

Maybe Bethesda could do a Morrowind remake for Vita?

 

[Adam Prime]

Amalur or Skyrim.

Game over.

 

[Valnen]

Diablo 3

Since combat lag is virtually non existent in this game even with very high ping, I could totally see this being utterly amazing. Play Diablo 3 anywhere, anytime with a 3G Vita. Oh my god.

 

[duckroll]

Well I'm not suggesting it's a PSV game or anything. Personally I feel like they've taxed it a little too much between the numbered entries. KH3D should be the last interim title, at least I hope it is.

Yeah I really think that KH is being "milked" a bit too much at this point. Not so much because there are so many entries regularly, that part is fine, but because there are so many portable entries now, without a console KH3 in sight, that it feels unbalanced.

This would be fine if Nomura just came out and said "well the rest of the franchise is now on portables", and then released a KH3 on portables. But as long as he keeps talking about waiting for Versus to be complete, and doing tests in HD for KH, and talking about how KH3 is coming eventually, it feels like he's just filling time before that, which is starting to get taxing.

 

[jgmo870]

But the secret movie in Birth by Sleep and Re:Coded was Re:Connect Kingdom Hearts. Which is KH3D. Sure, BbS FM had something else, but I think it would be foolish as a fan of the KH franchise to not suspect that the it might not end up being some sort of troll or inferior spin-off rehash, especially when the true follow up has been in actual development for 2 years and is coming out now.

One game exists, the other does not. We know the BbS game has made a true sequel, and it is KH3D. What the other tease is, we do not know. That's my point.

Wait, why is that? KH3D doesn't follow as a sequel to BbS but to KH2/coded. And inferior? Really? That's based on absolutely nothing. BbS was the first "main" game on handhelds anyway. I'd doubt they'd plan for a possible successor to be considered inferior whatsoever.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Yeah I really think that KH is being "milked" a bit too much at this point. Not so much because there are so many entries regularly, that part is fine, but because there are so many portable entries now, without a console KH3 in sight, that it feels unbalanced.

This would be fine if Nomura just came out and said "well the rest of the franchise is now on portables", and then released a KH3 on portables. But as long as he keeps talking about waiting for Versus to be complete, and doing tests in HD for KH, and talking about how KH3 is coming eventually, it feels like he's just filling time before that, which is starting to get taxing.

How about this: Birth by Sleep Volume II covering Aqua's adventures from BbS up through the beginning of KH3. KH3 picks up immediately after, with the player still controlling Aqua as she

Spoiler

saves Sora's dumb ass from Xenahort and completes his Mark of Mastery

before sending him on a new quest to save everything.

This scenario may or may not be invalidated by the events of KH3D but I think it'd be neat.

 

[PerZona]

lol why does neogaf these days call "killer games" killer apps? Doesn't make sense, how does apps = games? In any case, as long as the PS Vita has similar games like the PS3 (Uncharted is a good start) that would be it's "killer app".

What I find unique about Playstation is that you don't really have a single game to represent Playstation, like Nintendo = Mario and Xbox = Halo. To me Playstation = many ton of exclusive games with different genres.

 

[DCharlie]

Alright then I'll get off your back, but given the current state of affairs in Japan it should not shock or offend you when people wonder openly just what exactly the plan is for the Vita. It's true that no one can predict the future, but every quantifiable metric and every piece of evidence we have so far indicates a bleak outlook in Japan. Assuming that the Vita will succeed in Japan requires a leap of faith without any substantial basis.

I ignored the 3DS until Nintendo went into panic mode. I would be happy to reverse my negativity on Vita if Sony demonstrated that they're willing to price it attractively and provide games I want to play. For the moment, however, no one knows what the fuck they're thinking.

I dunno - i think we have to disagree. The Vita isn't the first games console to have a weak launch and it won't be the last - i've seen it too many times to fall for the "doom" line especially as i was previous the Troll In Residence when the PS3 looked like it was dying a death

The Vita definitely has it's problems - and as you mention the price barrier is a big one. In a worst case -doom- scenario Sony would have to slash the price, which won't do wonders all on it's own but it would help. I guess my take is that if they do get to the point that it looks like certain doom then the price slash tactic would almost certainly have an all round good effect (on consumers, publishers...not so much for sony)

Again - it really would take a huge number of 3rd parties to decide to walk away from the Vita and then we come back to the original beef. Without context that original quote can be translated a couple of ways due to Japanese and plurality. In the end i went with context (no person can speak for ALL publishers) and the use of geemu and a few other factors. IF that happens though, then the Vita would be in trouble - but i think it's way too early for a wholesale walk away from the Vita.

 

[duckroll]

Diablo 3

Since combat lag is virtually non existent in this game even with very high ping, I could totally see this being utterly amazing. Play Diablo 3 anywhere, anytime with a 3G Vita. Oh my god.

Diablo III Vita control scheme:

Left Analog - Character movement
Right Analog - Targeting cursor for area impact attacks

L - Attack Skill 1
R - Attack Skill 2

Triangle - Action Bar Skill 1
Circle - Action Bar Skill 2
Cross - Action Bar Skill 3
Square - Action Bar Skill 4

D-pad Up - Inventory
D-pad Right - Skill menu
D-pad Left - Companion menu
D-Pad Down - Use Potion

Start - Game menu

Touchscreen - Alternate control scheme for hotbar items

 

[StuBurns]

Yeah I really think that KH is being "milked" a bit too much at this point. Not so much because there are so many entries regularly, that part is fine, but because there are so many portable entries now, without a console KH3 in sight, that it feels unbalanced.

This would be fine if Nomura just came out and said "well the rest of the franchise is now on portables", and then released a KH3 on portables. But as long as he keeps talking about waiting for Versus to be complete, and doing tests in HD for KH, and talking about how KH3 is coming eventually, it feels like he's just filling time before that, which is starting to get taxing.

Yeah, it feels like being jerked around a little, and not because of quality, BbS is exceptional quality, 3D looks to live up to that, but it sort of feels like you're watching TV while waiting to go the cinema, it's also because of my completely baseless belief we'll get Pixar stuff in 3, and I don't care about anything else. But alas, that's a topic for another thread.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

I dunno - i think we have to disagree. The Vita isn't the first games console to have a weak launch and it won't be the last - i've seen it too many times to fall for the "doom" line especially as i was previous the Troll In Residence when the PS3 looked like it was dying a death

The Vita definitely has it's problems - and as you mention the price barrier is a big one. In a worst case -doom- scenario Sony would have to slash the price, which won't do wonders all on it's own but it would help. I guess my take is that if they do get to the point that it looks like certain doom then the price slash tactic would almost certainly have an all round good effect (on consumers, publishers...not so much for sony)

Again - it really would take a huge number of 3rd parties to decide to walk away from the Vita and then we come back to the original beef. Without context that original quote can be translated a couple of ways due to Japanese and plurality. In the end i went with context (no person can speak for ALL publishers) and the use of geemu and a few other factors. IF that happens though, then the Vita would be in trouble - but i think it's way too early for a wholesale walk away from the Vita.

Well another issue is that we're not sure substantial third party support exists or ever has existed in the first place. The list of series with the power to turn the fortunes of a system around are short. We're talking about things like Dragon Quest XI if Sony wants to achieve the same level of success as the PSP, things that are so outlandish that they would really be like a miracle. I agree that it's far too early to talk about discontinuation a la Dreamcast, but I believe that a Gamecube style failure is not at all unlikely.

Even the Xbox360 is still being sold in Japan.

 

[AranhaHunter]

The Elder Scrolls

Is it sad that I was looking forward to this when I bought a PSP?

Is a Demons Souls 2 published by Sony and developed by From Software possible? Sorry, I'm a bit confused on the rights to the souls franchise.

Yes. Miyazaki is up to doing it. Sony owns the Demon's Souls IP.

It's true that the ecosystem can support medium sized titles which are generally JP-only and exclusive though, like say Tales of Xillia, the Yakuza games, and One Piece Musou. The concern for the Vita is that it isn't even getting to that stage yet.

And there's nothing in the horizon to change that downward trend. I do not see an announced Vita game that will be a big hit. FFX is about the only worthy one that I can think of off the top of my head, but

- Final Fantasy franchise is not the same, newer sales of the franchise have been abysmal compared to previous iterations.
- It's a port and I reckon most will get the PS3 version

OT:

I agree with some of the suggestions. ES, Gears, Diablo, Torchlight, COD, R* games, etc. I think Bioshock and AssCreed are also ace. I don't think it's been mentioned, but I would like to add Mass Effect and Dead Space, as well as Valve games (with steam integration, is that possible?) How cool would it be to play Portal 2 and L4D on Vita? As a PS3 Portal 2 owner, if they allowed you a "free" download if you already owned the PS3 version, I would jump for joy, but I know that's pretty much impossible.

 

[Anasui Kishibe]

Way to ignore the title buddy >>

at 250, it's the only solution. Vita has no MH nor Pokemon and even if it had, people are starving out here

lower price, more sales, more third parties, more games people want, more sales

 

[Zoibie]

I agree with the Elder Scrolls. I think a portable Elder Scrolls could really be a killer app. Playing Skyrim on the go would be nuts.

Maybe Bethesda could do a Morrowind remake for Vita?

Open world RPGs on a handheld are like the perfect mix of a console experience that are easy to pick up and play for a bus/train ride. Do the main, lengthier quests at home; do some side quests, raid some caves or manage inventory when on the move.

 

[DCharlie]

Well another issue is that we're not sure substantial third party support exists or ever has existed in the first place. The list of series with the power to turn the fortunes of a system around are short. We're talking about things like Dragon Quest XI if Sony wants to achieve the same level of success as the PSP, things that are so outlandish that they would really be like a miracle. I agree that it's far too early to talk about discontinuation a la Dreamcast, but I believe that a Gamecube style failure is not at all unlikely.

Even the Xbox360 is still being sold in Japan.

Oh, there's absolutely scope for the thing to underperform - the landscape is a little different this time and i'm sure that Sony would be thrilled if they could guarantee PSP numbers (especially with (at the moment) less piracy).

It all depends on what sony pull out - if they make the most of the link up to the PS3 then that's another function that could really help push the machine. At the moment, my overwhealming feeling is we don't know the full picture of what is going on. It's all in Sony's court to sort out though - so there's no excuses there. If they DO have the games and the support then they definitely need to start making noise about them.

I agree with the Elder Scrolls. I think a portable Elder Scrolls could really be a killer app. Playing Skyrim on the go would be nuts.

I'd prefer a Fallout game to be honest - especially as VATS is going to be more suited to the handheld experience.

 

[Callibretto]

we need a sony hunting game mix with pokemon and dating sim. something like Jade Cocoon meet Azure Dreams meet Monster Hunter.

you go co-op hunting for mission, get monster egg as reward, breed them, raise them and then fuse them to get new monster egg, and on the way date a bunch of girls in your village. get some great character design and art, the artist from Gravity Daze looks great for fantasy setting like this.

I guarantee that this will be a multi million seller hit.

 

[jrDev]

The Nintendo games are better on Wii too. SMG is massively better than 3D Land. Nintendo are doing the exact same thing Sony are, their brands are just way more popular, on both systems.

I'm pretty sure SMG is completely different from SML3D. Actually Im pretty sure all of Nintendo's franchises are different on each platform. What were you trying to get at here again?

Anyways, I think the killer app has to be a new IP, since I don't see any current franchise "selling" Vitas...

 

[pieatorium]

Portal or Mirrors Edge with alot of new puzzles/time trails would be awesome. Not so much a vita thing though just anywhere

 

[StuBurns]

we need a sony hunting game mix with pokemon and dating sim. something like Jade Cocoon meet Azure Dreams meet Monster Hunter.

you go co-op hunting for mission, get monster egg as reward, breed them, raise them and then fuse them to get new monster egg, and on the way date a bunch of girls in your village. get some great character design and art, the artist from Gravity Daze looks great for fantasy setting like this.

I guarantee that this will be a multi million seller hit.

Unless Sony know something we don't about MonHun, they have to be working on a clone internally.

I thought they should have made a Pokemon clone with the Folklore IP personally, still do in fact.

I'm pretty sure SMG is completely different from SML3D. Actually Im pretty sure all of Nintendo's franchises are different on each platform. What were you trying to get at here again?

So are Sony's. It's the exact same shit people have being saying for years. Outside of the three RAD games, most of Sony's PSP games were absolutely different from their console releases. For some reason people completely ignore that, I imagine it's because the truth doesn't support their argument, and there's nothing worse than an excellent example.

 

[Duxxy3]

GTA: San Andreas Stories

 

[Callibretto]

Unless Sony know something we don't about MonHun, they have to be working on a clone internally.

I thought they should have made a Pokemon clone with the Folklore IP personally, still do in fact.

but I don't want just a strictly hunting game. I find them boring, endless mission of grinding to get better gear to kill more monster to get more gear.

I like monster breeding and dating sim aspect of Azure Dream, I just don't like the rogue like gameplay. an Azure Dream with co-op MonHun mission would be awesome.

besides, Sony need more than just monhun clone, they need to differentiate itself from Monhun in some way and I think adding monster breeding/collecting/dating sim is a good way to do that. what other game is like that?

imagine raising your monster from cute little monster just hatched from egg to big mount-able monsters you can ride to fight bigger monsters.

 

[jgmo870]

I'm pretty sure SMG is completely different from SML3D. Actually Im pretty sure all of Nintendo's franchises are different on each platform. What were you trying to get at here again?

Anyways, I think the killer app has to be a new IP, since I don't see any current franchise "selling" Vitas...

You're pretty sure? They're both linear platformers, they're both Mario and give off that Mario feel, and 3D Land is most definitely inferior to SMG2 just like Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass are inferior to the console Zeldas, like how Shadow Dragon is inferior to Radiant Dawn, like how Prime Hunters is inferior to the Prime games, and like how SSB on the 3DS will most likely be inferior to Melee (can't be any worse than Brawl).

 

[Dunk#7]

On the off chance that what someone mentioned in this thread actually happens and Pokemon goes third party then the following would be a great game and would have the best chance of creating mobile user interaction...


Pokemon game done almost fully with AR. The game examines your city and you can then travel throughout it encountering various creatures and creating a team in which you can use when encountering others in your city that are currently playing.

In order to organize the city accordingly as to where the tougher or better creatures live you could have users upload their zones that they create throughout various cities and they can be voted on so that when you start a new game you can choose one and the game will adjust accordingly

Seems like a good idea, but there is a lot to build on

Thoughts on this? Am I out of my mind lol

 

[Maedhros]

The BEST part of these threads is that people show their oppinions about what games they think will help the system pick some steam and the same people (everytime) always says "nah, it won't help", without even showing alternatives or things like that.


Basically, the Vita doesn't stand a chance, at all (for these people). With or without games.

 

[StuBurns]

but I don't want just a strictly hunting game. I find them boring, endless mission of grinding to get better gear to kill more monster to get more gear.

I like monster breeding and dating sim aspect of Azure Dream, I just don't like the rogue like gameplay. an Azure Dream with co-op MonHun mission would be awesome.

besides, Sony need more than just monhun clone, they need to differentiate itself from Monhun in some way and I think adding monster breeding/collecting/dating sim is a good way to do that. what other game is like that?

imagine raising your monster from cute little monster just hatched from egg to big mount-able monsters you can ride to fight bigger monsters.

I'm not sure, I've played MonHun, but I've read about an almost ritualistic playing style of MonHun, parties where grown men stay up all night playing co-op at one of their houses, things of that nature. What you're suggesting sounds great to me, but it also wouldn't make for a constant co-op experience. Maybe that's what the Japanese specifically want, I really don't know.

I even like PSO played offline, so I'm certainly the minority in that respect I believe.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

You're pretty sure? They're both linear platformers, they're both Mario and give off that Mario feel, and 3D Land is most definitely inferior to SMG2 just like Spirit Tracks and Phantom Hourglass are inferior to the console Zeldas, like how Shadow Dragon is inferior to Radiant Dawn, like how Prime Hunters is inferior to the Prime games, and like how SSB on the 3DS will most likely be inferior to Melee (can't be any worse than Brawl).

Mario Kart 7 is superior to Mario Kart Wii by leaps and bounds.

 

[jgmo870]

Mario Kart 7 is superior to Mario Kart Wii by leaps and bounds.

MKWii was trash and had no right to sell as well as it did.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

MKWii was trash and had no right to sell as well as it did.

Want to make an avatar bet about whether Luigi's Mansion 2 will be better or worse than the original?

Link's Awakening was equal to any console Zelda title of its time, Minish Cap was a worthy entry, as were the Oracle games. The portable Zeldas only took a dip starting with the DS.

Mario 3D Land compared to Galaxy is really a matter of taste.

Pokemon is a portable series anyway.

Sony has no equivalent record on portables.

 

[Cloudy]

FFX

 

[duckroll]

Link's Awakening was equal to any console Zelda title of its time, Minish Cap was a worthy entry, as were the Oracle games. The portable Zeldas only took a dip starting with the DS.

And guess what the best selling Zelda games in Japan since OoT are!!

 

[Duxxy3]

Want to make an avatar bet about whether Luigi's Mansion 2 will be better or worse than the original?

Link's Awakening was equal to any console Zelda title of its time, Minish Cap was a worthy entry, as were the Oracle games. The portable Zeldas only took a dip starting with the DS.

Mario 3D Land compared to Galaxy is really a matter of taste.

Pokemon is a portable series anyway.

Sony has no equivalent record on portables.

Really??

Hmmm, maybe i'll check it out.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

And guess what the best selling Zelda games in Japan since OoT are!!

I choose to believe that is due to install base.

 

[duckroll]

I choose to believe that is due to install base.

Har har.

 

[B.O.O.M]

A new GTA stories game
Battlefield game
COD
GT
Legacy of Kain
Gears of war Spin Off from Epic
NEW IP from Naughty Dog and/or Santa Monica

 

[Cloudy]

lol why does neogaf these days call "killer games" killer apps? Doesn't make sense, how does apps = games?

AAA titles were called killer apps way before the iOS/android

 

[jgmo870]

Want to make an avatar bet about whether Luigi's Mansion 2 will be better or worse than the original?Link's Awakening was equal to any console Zelda title of its time, Minish Cap was a worthy entry, as were the Oracle games. The portable Zeldas only took a dip starting with the DS.

Mario 3D Land compared to Galaxy is really a matter of taste.

Pokemon is a portable series anyway.

Sony has no equivalent record on portables.

Luigi's Mansion wasn't anything great either. It shouldn't be hard to be better than that game even though Nintendo's outsourcing it to some random Canadian dev (and Sony gets bashed for this all the time). Unless the game is from a AAA scoring franchise, I'm not making any bets. Because that's what everyone's concerned about, right (with the GA vs best of UC debates)? So... Paper Mario 3DS vs The Thousand Year Door, then?

Worthy? Sure, so was Chains of Olympus and Ghost of Sparta. Better/on par with the console games? lol no.

And GA vs UC2 is more a matter of taste. Yet comparisons are here and there with people crying that GA is inferior. On some levels, sure, but it's very different.

It's never had a "true" console entry so it's not important.

I don't understand what the bolded means.

 

[StuBurns]

Want to make an avatar bet about whether Luigi's Mansion 2 will be better or worse than the original?

Link's Awakening was equal to any console Zelda title of its time, Minish Cap was a worthy entry, as were the Oracle games. The portable Zeldas only took a dip starting with the DS.

Mario 3D Land compared to Galaxy is really a matter of taste.

Pokemon is a portable series anyway.

Sony has no equivalent record on portables.

Why is only 3D Land vs Galaxy 'a matter of taste'? Are you saying the rest are objective fact?

I think the two God of Wars on PSP are better than God of War 1 and 3. I think the best Killzone is on PSP, I think the best LittleBigPlanet is on PSP, I think the best Motorstorm is on PSP (although that is also on PS2 I believe).

Just because you think it, doesn't make it true.

 

[Alexios]

Niche games like Torchlight and DS could be killer apps?

I'd play them but eh, I doubt they'd improve its standing.

I guess if DSV had full co-op it could scratch the MonHun itch a bit but not much beyond that... That Sony owns the IP doesn't mean much. If it wasn't by From who would make it? And why would From make Demon's instead of another multi-platform Dark?

 

[Admiral Bone to Pick]

I expect the Vita to be very similar the PS3 in that there won't be one or even several major killer apps so much as a steady stream of well made, semi-popular games that (when combined with price cuts/redesigns and new models) will increase the perceived value of the system over time.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Why is only 3D Land vs Galaxy 'a matter of taste'? Are you saying the rest are objective fact?

I think the two God of Wars on PSP are better than God of War 1 and 3. I think the best Killzone is on PSP, I think the best LittleBigPlanet is on PSP, I think the best Motorstorm is on PSP (although that is also on PS2 I believe).

Just because you think it, doesn't make it true.

You were the one speaking of objective truths. Now that I've provided excellent examples, I suppose it's all about subjectivity again.

 

[sajj316]

I think a Portal game by Valve to take advantage of Vita's features would be interesting.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Starcraft/Warcraft/Any-RTS. Front and back touchscreens would be very vital, with Left analog stick for map and right analog stick for zoom. D-pad and buttons for quick macro and shoulder buttons can act as shortcut select/assign.

It won't be as versatile as PC version but it can come close to it.

 

[StuBurns]

You were the one speaking of objective truths. Now that I've provided excellent examples, I suppose it's all about subjectivity again.

Those things are not 'objective truths', do you know what objectivity is?

Games can be objectively different, they can not be objectively superior. SMB3 isn't factually better than SMB, just because the vast majority agree it is.

 

[Oni Jazar]

GTA: San Andreas Stories

Red Dead Redemption Stories.

 

[Glorified G]

Want to make an avatar bet about whether Luigi's Mansion 2 will be better or worse than the original?

Link's Awakening was equal to any console Zelda title of its time, Minish Cap was a worthy entry, as were the Oracle games. The portable Zeldas only took a dip starting with the DS.

Mario 3D Land compared to Galaxy is really a matter of taste.

Pokemon is a portable series anyway.

Sony has no equivalent record on portables.

In your opinion it doesn't, but I disagree with most of this.

I think anyone who says 3D land is comparable to Galaxy should play Galaxy again. The game design is literally night & day.

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

I imagine it's because the truth doesn't support their argument, and there's nothing worse than an excellent example.

Those things are not 'objective truths', do you know what objectivity is?

You're arguing with yourself. Let me know when you figure out what your position is and we can go from there.

 

[DCharlie]

Want to make an avatar bet about whether Luigi's Mansion 2 will be better or worse than the original?

the original LM was doing so well until we hit the ghost hunt at the end where it felt like they'd ran out of time and needed to pad the game out a bit.

I expect LM2 to be a significantly better experience - but that's not going to help the Vita



Killer Apps :

Elite : Vita
A brand new Elite game set over a glorious procedurally generated universe with limited overarching story line , long and grindy, playable in short spurts. Space Dredgers please

Gran Turismo
game needs to be heavily tailored. The PSP version was technically fine but had no structure to make the game enjoyable as a portable game. Needs a ton of licenses, a nice levelling system that rewards repeated play, lots of racing challenges etc.