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Gamespot reviews Uncharted, 8/10

traveler said:
I know this might be a difficult concept to grasp, but did you know that reviewers have opinions of their own and aren't supposed to be representative of whatever the general consensus is?
If you find yourself in a review position with nothing but your personal opinion, please quit and go flip some burgers.
 
bcn-ron said:
If you find yourself in a review position with nothing but your personal opinion, please quit and go flip some burgers.

are you suggesting that a review should be influenced by something other than a reviewer's opinion?
 
Judging from the demo, those negative points sound right; the combat can get frustratingly hard (I like that, but may not be ok for everyone), and the platforming sections are a joke. Can't talk about the story though.
 
DKnight said:
the platforming sections are a joke.

This frustrates me. I learned to not trust Naughty Dog 4 years ago, but I was thinking an Indiana Jonesish/Tomb Raider game could've been a good melding of all the genres they were tinkering with in the later Jak games. These guys used to know how to, at the very least, make good platforming levels. Even in Jak II, the few platforming sections there were were great.
 
Brashnir said:
are you suggesting that a review should be influenced by something other than a reviewer's opinion?

It's a good question... to some extent, yes. I mean the reviewer needs to think independently (which I unfortunately think happens rarely, everyone's influenced by friends, hype etc. even if it is just to some small degree).

Problem is, knowing how many people make up opinions about games before they come out you can never really rely on a fair review. I am definitely under the impression that people are shitting on Sony way too much and are not giving them their dues when they do good things. It's hard for me not to feel that Uncharted is not getting the scores it deserves, mostly because I just friggin love playing it. That is the nature of having an opinion for sure...

There are just so many parameters. There are a large group of people out there who are biggots against anything due to their past experiences and it stops them from being objective. Maybe this is Gamespot's opinion, and that's fine. But when Satterfield made the comment, "1 combo", it really makes you wonder what is going on inside these reviewers mind when they review a game. That screams of being slanted against a game if that's your best argument.

Crysis I agree with Gamespot. Can't be said enough times, GOTY for me. Fucking awesome.
 
fortified_concept said:
Lately Gamespot has been as consistent with its inconsistency as 1up. Oh well another site goes down the drain, this is the gen of fanboy and soon-to-be-MS-employee reviewers. Btw the same reviewer gave Conan a 7.5 which says a lot.

:lol

Meltdown incoming or are you actually waiting till MGS4 gets mediocres seven-point-five across the internet gaming sites?
 
GOTY for me. COmbat sucks at the beginning but once you treat the enemies more like fast moving RE enemies with way better AI rather than humans it gets way more fun.

They just take too long to die. Personally i think the platforming is awesome.
 
Borys said:
:lol

Meltdown incoming or are you actually waiting till MGS4 gets mediocres seven-point-five across the internet gaming sites?

Depends, 1up seems to hold out hope it's coming to Xbox360 based on their MGS4 and MGS4O episode.
 
Wollan said:
From the sound of the official thread, it's their best game yet.

Yeah. I've sorta stopped trusting GAF's opinion regarding Naughty Dog games ever since they kept insisting that Jak II got better at some point. I mean I guess it did when I turned off the console, but that was the only part where I saw marked improvement.
 
Borys said:
:lol

Meltdown incoming or are you actually waiting till MGS4 gets mediocres seven-point-five across the internet gaming sites?



I dont think anyone will dare to rate that game below 9. doing so confirms suicide and death threats.
 
I wonder how these "different reviewers have different opinions", and "wine more" people would react if Halo 3 review quotes were like:

"Forgetful single player thats only worthwhile for multiplayer co~op"

"Enemies AI are a step below most games these days. H2 had great AI for it's time but now we've experienced Gears, Half~Life2, and Resistance."

"The lead character, Master Chef, feels lifeless, his computer hologram companion Scully aids him in solving lack luster alien cases"

"Although the multiplayer is a better tweaked Halo I just can't kick the deja vu feeling. Worth a rent, at best, to spark old Halo feelings."

7.9
 
Doc Evils said:
I dont think anyone will dare to rate that game below 9. doing so confirms suicide and death threats.

Will 9 be good enough to appease people or will it be this all over again?
 
Ploid 3.0 said:
I wonder how these "different reviewers have different opinions", and "wine more" people would react if Halo 3 review quotes were like:

"Forgetful single player thats only worthwhile for multiplayer co~op"

"Enemies AI are a step below most games these days. H2 had great AI for it's time but now we've experienced Gears, Half~Life2, and Resistance."

"The lead character, Master Chef, feels lifeless, his computer hologram companion Scully aids him in solving lack luster alien cases"

"Although the multiplayer is a better tweaked Halo I just can't kick the deja vu feeling. Worth a rent, at best, to spark old Halo feelings."

7.9

:lol so bitter.
 
Doc Evils said:
I dont think anyone will dare to rate that game below 9. doing so confirms suicide and death threats.

MGS3 8.7 on Gamespot says "hi."
 
No, I'm making an example. The facts in my fictional halo quotes were backwards and wrong. Like character names, hard to believe opinions that just dont match, and odd left field negatives. This is the type of stuff we see for uncharted reviews. Well some.

Buddyc, and Kintaro did some darn good informative uncharted reviews. Those two also had justifiable and clear complaints. Wonder how they pulled it off.
 
Kabuki Waq said:
:lol so bitter.

It seems to me that most of the most bitter Sony fans crying about R&C and Uncharted reviews (only a handful of people here) only wanted those games to score better than Halo 3 or BioShock on GameSpot and 1UP.

Just that.

To score more than the Xbox franchise they hate the most. The franchise that sells millions of copies in 24 hours. That eclipses every PLAYSTATION 3 release.

That Halo 3!

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! I LOATHE IT AND ITS REVIEWERS!

Ooooh this BioShock!

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHH! IT'S GIVING ME NIGHTMARES!

It's up to MGS4 to beat Halo 3 then. Gran Turismo 5 won't do that because of the tearing and shimmering that the reviewers will notice.
 
AniHawk said:
Yeah. I've sorta stopped trusting GAF's opinion regarding Naughty Dog games ever since they kept insisting that Jak II got better at some point. I mean I guess it did when I turned off the console, but that was the only part where I saw marked improvement.


I didnt like Jak 2 or Jak3 either but Uncharted i really enjoy its like Prince of Persia (last gen version) with better combat.
 
Borys said:
It seems to me that most of the most bitter Sony fans crying about R&C and Uncharted reviews (only a handful of people here) only wanted those games to score better than Halo 3 or BioShock on GameSpot and 1UP.

Just that.

Conan scores and Tomb Raider are larger pebbles in their boat shoes.
 
I don't care about the score as it's his opinion, but I don't know what more the game could do to become "AAA". At the point I'm at I'd say it's easily the best action adventure game to date, easily on pay with RE4 or better. What more would the game have to do to get those kinds of accolades?
 
Ploid 3.0 said:
I wonder how these "different reviewers have different opinions", and "wine more" people would react if Halo 3 review quotes were like:

"Forgetful single player thats only worthwhile for multiplayer co~op"

"Enemies AI are a step below most games these days. H2 had great AI for it's time but now we've experienced Gears, Half~Life2, and Resistance."

"The lead character, Master Chef, feels lifeless, his computer hologram companion Scully aids him in solving lack luster alien cases"

"Although the multiplayer is a better tweaked Halo I just can't kick the deja vu feeling. Worth a rent, at best, to spark old Halo feelings."

7.9
Why stray so far? May I redirect your attention back at the OP?
"The Bad
Tough and plentiful enemies can make firefights frustrating Platforming elements can be too forgiving Certain story elements are underdeveloped"
 
I like how negatives are similiar to what was made up by some folks long time ago.

The AI is too good, it makes the game hard. The graphics are to stunning, they distract from gameplay. The platforming is too simple, you just jump from one thing to another.

Gamespot is a laughable place since Kassavin left.
 
Kestastrophe said:
9.5 is a pretty tough score to beat. BioShock looked like a lock for a 9.5 from Gamespot and it only scored a 9.

Its a stupid metric to go by anyhow. Reviewers & review sites are frauds driving traffic until they give the score the individual wants to see at which point they're magically credible and a trusted source once more.
 
typhonsentra said:
I don't care about the score as it's his opinion, but I don't know what more the game could do to become "AAA". At the point I'm at I'd say it's easily the best action adventure game to date, easily on pay with RE4 or better. What more would the game have to do to get those kinds of accolades?
I don't think this particular reviewer knows either. Which is kind of the problem with basing your score purely on personal opinion. Analysis and common standards/expectations/rules are very good things. Even for flipping burgers!
 
I think this is a much more accurate score. The game is beautiful, voice acting superb and the vision is definitely a bold one but the gunplay mechanic is broken IMO. I'm sorry but the enemy AI are pretty much bullet sponges who display a rudimentary ability to take cover but most seem to just quickly move in on your position because of how many bullets they can take. There continuous spawning is also annoying.

I'd rather have less enemies with far better cover logic who are just as tough to kill than enemies who keep jumping out of the same "off screen" spawn points and can get up after being shot several times.
 
DoctorWho said:
I think this is a much more accurate score. The game is beautiful, voice acting superb and the vision is definitely a bold one but the gunplay mechanic is broken IMO. I'm sorry but the enemy AI are pretty much bullet sponges who display a rudimentary ability to take cover but most seem to just quickly move in on your position because of how many bullets they can take.
You're wrong.
You didn't really hit them. The dodging animation is a reaction to your bullet whizzing past, not a reaction to a direct hit. Aim better, and they drop quickly. Practice your skills and be rewarded.
 
bcn-ron said:
You're wrong.
You didn't really hit them. The dodging animation is a reaction to your bullet whizzing past, not a reaction to a direct hit. Aim better, and they drop quickly. Practice your skills and be rewarded.

Oh wow, you're right, how could I have been so stupid!

Seriously, I know what I'm seeing and they are reacting to being hit but it's simply taking too many bullets to take an enemy down. Up the cover AI and lower how many hits they can take and I'm good to go. Great game other than this.
 
DoctorWho said:
I think this is a much more accurate score. The game is beautiful, voice acting superb and the vision is definitely a bold one but the gunplay mechanic is broken IMO. I'm sorry but the enemy AI are pretty much bullet sponges who display a rudimentary ability to take cover but most seem to just quickly move in on your position because of how many bullets they can take. There continuous spawning is also annoying.

I'd rather have less enemies with far better cover logic who are just as tough to kill than enemies who keep jumping out of the same "off screen" spawn points and can get up after being shot several times.

Three pistol bullets, 1~2 shotgun rounds, 1 desert eagle shot, 1 head shots, etc. I personally like that each time i move from cover to shoot the crosshair isn't perfectly where it was before I went back to cover.
 
Thunderbear said:
It's a good question... to some extent, yes. I mean the reviewer needs to think independently (which I unfortunately think happens rarely, everyone's influenced by friends, hype etc. even if it is just to some small degree).

Problem is, knowing how many people make up opinions about games before they come out you can never really rely on a fair review. I am definitely under the impression that people are shitting on Sony way too much and are not giving them their dues when they do good things. It's hard for me not to feel that Uncharted is not getting the scores it deserves, mostly because I just friggin love playing it. That is the nature of having an opinion for sure...

There are just so many parameters. There are a large group of people out there who are biggots against anything due to their past experiences and it stops them from being objective. Maybe this is Gamespot's opinion, and that's fine. But when Satterfield made the comment, "1 combo", it really makes you wonder what is going on inside these reviewers mind when they review a game. That screams of being slanted against a game if that's your best argument.

Crysis I agree with Gamespot. Can't be said enough times, GOTY for me. Fucking awesome.

A review is one person's opinion presented in a critical form with sound arguments to support his or her thoughts about the movie, game, etc. You definitely should go into the game unbiased but your experience is definitely going to influence what you think about the game and in the end it is opinion. This is why I don't get so riled up about reviews. It's one person's opinion and may or may not differ greatly from mine. Unless there is something obviously ridiculous about the review, I'll respect it.
 
Ploid 3.0 said:
Three pistol bullets, 1~2 shotgun rounds, 1 desert eagle shot, 1 head shots, etc. I personally like that each time i move from cover to shoot the crosshair isn't perfectly where it was before I went back to cover.

I agree with you about the cross hairs but I simply don't like the majority of gunfights in this game. It's probably just me but like I said, I would have gone with less enemy spawning.
 
Variable said:
Could you explain to me why you are mad? Do you need GS's score to justify your purchase?
Gamespot's score has a definite effect on the long-term "Legs" on sales figures. A review like this can kill a franchise, especially one with such a bloated budget.
 
typhonsentra said:
Gamespot's score has a definite effect on the long-term "Legs" on sales figures. A review like this can kill a franchise, especially one with such a bloated budget.
:lol
What? You're actually trying to suggest that one single review from a website has a sales impact?

Holy shit guys, get some perspective, forget about the review, and go back to playing Uncharted. If the game somehow underperforms (which I really doubt as long as you keep your expectations in the right place), I guarantee you that the reasons will be something a lot more complicated than Gamespot's review only being an 8.
 
DoctorWho said:
A review is one person's opinion presented in a critical form with sound arguments to support his or her thoughts about the movie, game, etc. You definitely should go into the game unbiased but your experience is definitely going to influence what you think about the game and in the end it is opinion. This is why I don't get so riled up about reviews. It's one person's opinion and may or may not differ greatly from mine. Unless there is something obviously ridiculous about the review, I'll respect it.
Gamespot is the biggest site...bigger than IGN in traffic. I'm not sure how much impact they have on sales...Gamespot's 9/10 over the reviews from IGN and 1up might have impacted the huge sales of AC. It's hard to know.

Proof? http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/Gamespot.com
 
Green Shinobi said:
Gamespot needs to start all over. Put Gerstmann and all those other hacks in the unemployment line where they belong and bring in some new reviewers. All they do is give out ridiculous scores with no basis in reality (Twilight Princess, Ratchet are two of the biggest offenders).
Exactly. They should bring in reviewers who agree exclusively with us on every single thing.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
:lol
What? You're actually trying to suggest that one single review from a website has a sales impact?

Holy shit guys, get some perspective, forget about the review, and go back to playing Uncharted. If the game somehow underperforms (which I really doubt as long as you keep your expectations in the right place), I guarantee you that the reasons will be something a lot more complicated than Gamespot's review only being an 8.
I'm talking about the average review score, which Gamespot just brought down even further.

And no, I'm not expecting a sequel to this game either. It's going to bomb and it's going to bomb hard, maybe sub-50k for the month. Retail chains barely ordered any copies and even those aren't flying off the shelves.
 
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