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Gametrailers: PS4 and Xbox One specs spotlight

PS4 launch titles on that video is pretty incomplete.

>Blacklight: Retribution
>DC Universe Online
>DiveKick
>Doki Doki Universe
>DriveClub
>Hohokum
>Killzone: Shadow Fall
>Knack
>Minecraft
>PlanetSide 2
>Pool Nation Extreme
>Resogun (Free w/ Plus)
>War Thunder: Ground Forces
>Warframe
 
PS4 multiplatform games will really be the same or better, worse is not really possible considering the specs and architecture.

Specs and architecture didn't help last gen. I agree with you though; I am more talking about people acting as if multi plats are going to look significantly better on PS4 in comparison to XB1.
 
Specs and architecture didn't help last gen. I agree with you though; I am more talking about people acting as if multi plats are going to look significantly better on PS4 in comparison to XB1.

Really? Both consoles have the same basic architecture this time around. It's an apples to apples comparison for the most part. And PS4 is more powerful in absolute terms this time.

I'd argue that comparing 360 to PS3 was much harder to do, although most developers would say the the 360 was the more functionally powerful machine.

A good gauge of overall power is how multiplatform titles compare. The console with the better looking and performing multiplatform titles is the more powerful platform in real terms.
 
PS4 launch titles on that video is pretty incomplete.

>Blacklight: Retribution
>DC Universe Online
>DiveKick
>Doki Doki Universe
>DriveClub
>Hohokum
>Killzone: Shadow Fall
>Knack
>Minecraft
>PlanetSide 2
>Pool Nation Extreme
>Resogun (Free w/ Plus)
>War Thunder: Ground Forces
>Warframe
I don't think PlanetSide 2 will be a launch game. We've seen too little of that game.

But what about Secret Ponchos?
 
Specs and architecture didn't help last gen. I agree with you though; I am more talking about people acting as if multi plats are going to look significantly better on PS4 in comparison to XB1.

Yes it absolutely did.

Why do you think 360 had better MP and PS3 shined on exclusives?
 
And which console, sir, would your friends buy? How to they make decisions? You see, in every fucking tablet or smartphone review you get tons of technical details and comparison charts. Great tech is of major importance there, although the tasks a tablet/smartphone needs too fullfill are really scaleable, basically: if you don't want to play games on it, it doesn't make a huge difference if the processor is 1,0 or 1,4ghz. But still, authors point out the performance in detail and compare it between different deveices because, that's what you pay for.

What I want to say is: Tech for a smartphone/tablet is much much less important under real life conditions than for a console. Also, new tablets/smartphones spawn like every week. New consoles just every 5-7 years and what we will see on these things is major dependant on their performance. And so far, it's one major fuck up that people just don't write the truth in MAJOR BOLD LETTERS on their webseits: PS4 is cheaper for way more performance.

Just read all that Digital Foundry FUD and maybe you do understand, that either a) all journalists don't know jackshit about tech and don't give a fuck, which would make them bad journalists or b) there is a certain company which says "we don't want you to write that". It is not by accided that GT decided to make two seperate, pretty neutral videos about the console instead of doing a "head to head" one, which would be far more orientating. These two vids could just be released by the companies themselves.

My friends make choices based on what games they want to how much money they have to spend to get them, i don't ever recall a time they ever really cared about console performance, PC performance on the other hand..

I dont feel you can compare tablets and phones to console performance honestly, consoles are a closed system that developers only have to program on up to 3 different platforms and in the case of exclusives 1 platform that will never change, it allows them to make better use of the hardware over time. For example Halo 4 on 360 was easily i think one of the best looking titles for the system but the majority of the time the PS3 (which was the weaker GPU) had games that looked massively better way way more often.

As for journalists don't get so caught up in what they say and think, more often than not they miss the point or don't have all the information or are just blind too it. If i listened to journalists i would have missed The Wonderful 101.

There are various information in a spec overview that need to be translated to audience they are aimed at with the way the video is done.
It's not aimed at an audience that reads Digital Foundry, AnAndTech or ArsTechnica. That audience already know know the spec and they just need written text, not flashy animations.

Therefor this video fails as it doesn't contextualizes what the majority of informations that it tries to show off.

If you want to question why this video was created in the first place when Price, Games and Features are actually the important part of a console purchase decision then I'm with you.
It just means that we agree that this video was worthless outside of being pretty to look at.

Yes fair point i agree with you.

Joe Average buys one console during one gen.
So it is important, if he hears "More powerful system for 100$/€ less!"
Most of the games, which are multiplatform games, will be on both systems.
So he can play FIFA, Madden, Call of Duty, etc. on all of them, but needs only one of these consoles.

We "hardcore gamers" are a minority.

Ill admit i'm a crazy person and buy all platforms but most people who get one console seem to make a choice based on budget and then what system will have most of the exclusives they want. MS got ahead because the 360 was cheaper and its going to hurt them this gen being more expensive (maybe less so in AUS as the price is $50 difference).

It is of massive importance. Why exactly do you think people are buying a next gen console at launch full stop? That's right, for those pretty next gen visuals and the improved hardware. Performance is a massive factor in a next gen console purchase. When you get 50% more performance for 20% less money, that's a big deal. It also means all future multiplatform games on that particular system are practically guaranteed to be the better version, and considering the vast majority of purchases on consoles these days are multi platform, that's a big deal.

Obviously exclusives matter a massive amount, but when you're guaranteed to have the worse version of multiplatform games, your exclusives (or other services and features) need to be even better to justify that purchase, especially if it comes at a premium price difference.

Some people get a console at launch for the upgraded graphics experience of course hell i am! that and both platforms have games i can not currently get anywhere else. But that's not the only reason people want or get new hardware so many people are waiting as they don't believe there are titles that interest them yet regardless to how good they look.

As for the cost to performance i don't see how its really relevant its not the same as me choosing between a video card on my PC in a situation that say an Nvidia card is faster and cheaper than an AMD of course in that situation it matters heaps but my pc will be able to play everything that comes out on it.

On a console thats not true at all, as you said multiplatform games will look better on PS4 i 100% agree with you but i can not play Forza or Halo on a PS4 and if thats what i want to play why would i get a PS4? Exclusive games negate performance imo.
 
I don't think PlanetSide 2 will be a launch game. We've seen too little of that game.

But what about Secret Ponchos?

Secret Ponchos is in early 2014.

Everything I've seen about PS2 shows it as a launch title, but maybe that's outdated info. Guess we'll know for sure in a month.
 
You guys don't get the problem here. The question in this thread is not who will sell more consoles or how much better PS4 games will look. It is solely about the question if average and hardcore consumer alike have the RIGHT to know about the perfromance gap between both consoles and if a Journalist, who is describing both consoles, has to point that gap out. And I do think the answer to that is YES, to both questions. How anyone can be against that is beyond me. Why do you want misinformed buyers? If it's important to tell people that Ipad Mini 2x is about 5x as fast as mini 1 and 4,5 as fast als galaxy note XY...it should be SUPER MAJOR important for consoles because performance here is FAR MORE important for the actual product and day to day use.
 
Really? Both consoles have the same basic architecture this time around. It's an apples to apples comparison for the most part. And PS4 is more powerful in absolute terms this time.

I agreed with him; I just said it didn't help last gen but yeah, things are different this time around..no Cell.
 
You guys don't get the problem here. The question in this thread is not who will sell more consoles or how much better PS4 games will look. It is solely about the question if average and hardcore consumer alike have the RIGHT to know about the perfromance gap between both consoles and if a Journalist, who is describing both consoles, has to point that gap out. And I do think the answer to that is YES, to both questions. How anyone can be against that is beyond me. Why do you want misinformed buyers? If it's important to tell people that Ipad Mini 2x is about 5x as fast as mini 1 and 4,5 as fast als galaxy note XY...it should be SUPER MAJOR important for consoles because performance here is FAR MORE important for the actual product and day to day use.

I would understand your point if the Xbox One was as powerful as the Wii U and was a slight upgrade over this gen. Both next gen consoles blow away the previous gen including the Wii U. Are you going to linger around gamestop and best buy on November 22nd and yell at customers who are buying an Xbox One?
 
I would understand your point if the Xbox One was as powerful as the Wii U and was a slight upgrade over this gen. Both next gen consoles blow away the previous gen including the Wii U. Are you going to linger around gamestop and best buy on November 22nd and yell at customers who are buying an Xbox One?

You know, that really comes across...weird.

The power difference is about 50%. That IS significant and it is something a journalist should write/inform about.
 
You guys don't get the problem here. The question in this thread is not who will sell more consoles or how much better PS4 games will look. It is solely about the question if average and hardcore consumer alike have the RIGHT to know about the perfromance gap between both consoles and if a Journalist, who is describing both consoles, has to point that gap out. And I do think the answer to that is YES, to both questions. How anyone can be against that is beyond me. Why do you want misinformed buyers? If it's important to tell people that Ipad Mini 2x is about 5x as fast as mini 1 and 4,5 as fast als galaxy note XY...it should be SUPER MAJOR important for consoles because performance here is FAR MORE important for the actual product and day to day use.


People that care about performance numbers are already online looking for that information even Sony isn't putting spec sheets on the box of the console, they themselves obviously don't think its as important as you do.

If performance is all that mattered i would buy a better PC this year.
 
People that care about performance numbers are already online looking for that information even Sony isn't putting spec sheets on the box of the console, they themselves obviously don't think its as important as you do.

If performance is all that mattered i would buy a better PC this year.

So, the performance of a new console is not important? Why are people buying a new console again? Don't tell me "because of games" - there are plenty of much cheaper games on way cheaper platforms. Why do people want to shell out 400 or 500 bucks for a new machine within the launch period?
 
So, the performance of a new console is not important? Why are people buying a new console again? Don't tell me "because of games" - there are plenty of much cheaper games on way cheaper platforms. Why do people want to shell out 400 or 500 bucks for a new machine within the launch period?

Exclusive games they can not get on other platforms. There are always people that care about specs but to choose a system that's faster that has nothing you want to play on it seems silly no?
 
Exclusive games they can not get on other platforms. There are always people that care about specs but to choose a system that's faster that has nothing you want to play on it seems silly no?
Which is not the case for this particular comparison, as the majority of games are shared across the platforms discussed in this thread.
 
More powerful means nothing with 2 consoles this close. Price is temporary.
I would not call them close at all. More powerful always means something and will not change.

Price could be temporary or it could be the entire gen....

Comparing the ESRAM to Cell Architecture is pretty far off I think.
Both are going to hold back the systems. Too early to tell how big a problem the very small esram is going to cause down the road.
 
Exclusive games they can not get on other platforms. There are always people that care about specs but to choose a system that's faster that has nothing you want to play on it seems silly no?

So they are all really big Forza and Dead Rising or Killzone fans, yeah? That's the sole reason they need the hardware. Exactly THESE games, because all other games which release they could have for much less money are completly shit to those super big high quality AAA games which would set tie charts on fire on PS3/360 as well. Am I right?
 
So they are all really big Forza and Dead Rising or Killzone fans, yeah? That's the sole reason they need the hardware. Exactly THESE games, because all other games which release they could have for much less money are completly shit to those super big high quality AAA games which would set tie charts on fire on PS3/360 as well. Am I right?

I can not help but think the majority of a decision to get a new console would be to play games that can only be played on it right? Im not saying those titles are the only reason to get a console there are heaps coming down the line it was just an example.

Any people that don't want to get one at launch will continue to play current gen titles or PC titles yes...

I think that's what you were asking.
 
I can not help but think the majority of a decision to get a new console would be to play games that can only be played on it right? Im not saying those titles are the only reason to get a console there are heaps coming down the line it was just an example.

Any people that don't want to get one at launch will continue to play current gen titles or PC titles yes...

I think that's what you were asking.

Let me phrase my question differently: Would the excitement about DR3 and Forza 5 be exactly the same as it would be if they were to release on a 360? Would they move as many 360s as they will move X1s?
 
I can not help but think the majority of a decision to get a new console would be to play games that can only be played on it right? Im not saying those titles are the only reason to get a console there are heaps coming down the line it was just an example.

Any people that don't want to get one at launch will continue to play current gen titles or PC titles yes...

I think that's what you were asking.

The fact is, the biggest selling games on the PS4/XO at launch will be COD Ghosts, BF4 and Watchdogs, maybe Assassin's Creed, none of which are exclusives, which kind of puts the exclusives argument (at launch at least) in contention. The most pre-ordered exclusive on any platform right now is Killzone Shadow Fall, and even that has numbers that pale in comparison to the big multiplatform titles.

Point is, people are mainly buying these consoles (at least at launch), not for exclusives, but for better versions of multiplatform games. By better versions, I mean compared to the PS3/360 counterparts. And as I said earlier, if it's better versions of multiplatform games you want, the PS4 is the obvious pick.
 
The voting for the video is roughly about the same count but the thumbs up vs thumbs down differ greatly between the two. Even with all the 180s it seems the consumer minds have been set since June.
 
Lol

theres going to be a lot of confusion about specs for a lot of people with things like this

X1
CPU: 8 CORE 1.75GHZ
GPU: RADEON @ 853MHZ

PS4
CPU: 8 CORE 1.6GHZ
GPU: RADEON @ 800MHZ

And instores like HMV and game there are ads like these

X1

8GB of RAM
8-Core CPU
500GB hard drive
Blu-ray drive
HDMI in and out ports
USB 3.0
802.11n wireless - S

http://xboxnews.game.co.uk/?cm_sp=TopNav-_-TopNav-_-XboxOne

PS4

8GB of RAM
8-Core CPU
Blu-ray drive
HDMI, Analog AV and Digital Optical Outputs
USB 3.0
802.11 b/g/n Wireless and Bluetooth 2.1
Remote play on PlayStation Vita

http://playstationnews.game.co.uk/?cm_sp=topnav-_-topNav-_-PS4

To many casual and hardcore players who dont read online about specs. the machines seem equal and some people may actually believe that the X1 is more powerful.
 
The average gamer also doesn't buy a next gen console at launch. That term isn't as relevant in the context of this situation, because it's going to be mainly hardcore gamers that buy these systems at launch, and most of them do care about those differences, and just as if not more importantly, the price.

Ok for price but you can play lot of game without reading everything about it (maybe they play more than those who read/post)
overall gamer will look for games....if you're adding love of high tech and crystal clear pixel to that ... you're speaking about niches in gamer communities.
 
Lol

theres going to be a lot of confusion about specs for a lot of people with things like this

X1
CPU: 8 CORE 1.75GHZ
GPU: RADEON @ 853MHZ

PS4
CPU: 8 CORE 1.6GHZ
GPU: RADEON @ 800MHZ

And instores like HMV and game there are ads like these

X1

8GB of RAM
8-Core CPU
500GB hard drive
Blu-ray drive
HDMI in and out ports
USB 3.0
802.11n wireless - S

http://xboxnews.game.co.uk/?cm_sp=TopNav-_-TopNav-_-XboxOne

PS4

8GB of RAM
8-Core CPU
Blu-ray drive
HDMI, Analog AV and Digital Optical Outputs
USB 3.0
802.11 b/g/n Wireless and Bluetooth 2.1
Remote play on PlayStation Vita

http://playstationnews.game.co.uk/?cm_sp=topnav-_-topNav-_-PS4

To many casual and hardcore players who dont read online about specs. the machines seem equal and some people may actually believe that the X1 is more powerful.

Bad pr for microsoft ?
 
It is not biased, it is the truth. They can point out the benefits of the camera as well. Just pointing out the facts is what a spec sheet does. Journalist does need to give orientiation. 95% of people outside of GAF don't understand the specs they are pointing out there. Just from that presentation they will NOT understand that PS4 is about 50% more powerful. But that is a significant thing and therefore a journalist should get it across.

Most video game consumers could care less about which console is "more powerful". They are going to buy the console that they want to buy because of the games, online support, and comfort with the brand (not to mention what their friends are getting). The videos at GT seems to be geared more towards those people.
 
Xbone Video said:
Plus Shaped D-Pad
:lol


Both videos were done well, but they both missed/messed up some stuff. PS4 AUX is on the back, they skipped F2P games and indies, didn't include Xbone TFlops or dimensions, or mention Snap/TV stuff, etc.
 
Most video game consumers could care less about which console is "more powerful". They are going to buy the console that they want to buy because of the games, online support, and comfort with the brand (not to mention what their friends are getting). The videos at GT seems to be geared more towards those people.

There is no reason to upgrade the console unless buying one with more power. If the consumer got the choice between too similiar products, there one is cheaper and significantly more powerful, the journalist needs to write/show that. If he doesn't, he is doing a shit job. End of story, there is no need to discuss that. It's a fact.

The reason why GT made the video the way they did is moneyhats. If anything, the video makes it look like the X1 is MORE powerful (higher clock rates).
 
There is no reason to upgrade the console unless buying one with more power. If the consumer got the choice between too similiar products, there one is cheaper and significantly more powerful, the journalist needs to write/show that. If he doesn't, he is doing a shit job. End of story, there is no need to discuss that. It's a fact.

The reason why GT made the video the way they did is moneyhats. If anything, the video makes it look like the X1 is MORE powerful (higher clock rates).

Is this a serious post?
 
Consumers aren't going to care about teraflop counts and GHz, they're going to look at the games and of course value for their money.
 
There is no reason to upgrade the console unless buying one with more power. If the consumer got the choice between too similiar products, there one is cheaper and significantly more powerful, the journalist needs to write/show that. If he doesn't, he is doing a shit job. End of story, there is no need to discuss that. It's a fact.

The reason why GT made the video the way they did is moneyhats. If anything, the video makes it look like the X1 is MORE powerful (higher clock rates).
They didn't make a huge deal about it last gen, so why should this gen be any different? Besides, the substantial power difference shows up in games. Something that most consumers actually pay attention to (unlike TFlop counts).
 
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