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Gates delivering 360 Ultimate-um at CES? - Microsoft Responds
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UncleGuito
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Thank god.
Xisiqomelir
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If we actually had a real gaming journalist corps, I'd expect them to be dumpster-diving all night to scrounge up prototypes.
One aspect that most are missing is that the PS3 is the cheapest BluRay player at $399.
$399 <> Mass adoption.
HD-DVD had made things interesting with the sub $200 players that would have inevitably forced BD to release cheaper players. Now, there is no incentive. So it will be a while longer before we see mass adoption.
Also say good by to the endless BOGO sales for BD (or at least the frequency of them)
Still gonna have to get a PS3 this year now....bastards
$399 <> Mass adoption.
HD-DVD had made things interesting with the sub $200 players that would have inevitably forced BD to release cheaper players. Now, there is no incentive. So it will be a while longer before we see mass adoption.
Also say good by to the endless BOGO sales for BD (or at least the frequency of them)
Still gonna have to get a PS3 this year now....bastards
PepsimanVsJoe
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Why am I the only one wondering about where that woman is going to fire the arrow?
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
beerbelly said:Well, fuck! If MS shows off Gears of War 2 then everything else will be forgotten
Could be.
Bill did have the honor of announcing and showing off Halo 3 for the first time at E3.
Bill and Steve showed off Fight Night Round 3 at CES '06 as well.
He can do the same with Gears.
I remember an interview Mark and CliffyB had with a gaming site (forgot which one) and they asked about improvements and surprises for a future sequel to Gears and Mark said "Ask me again in a year or so and I'll have a better answer for you". This interview was around December '06.
Bill <3 360 and he will show some love at CES this year like all other.
norinrad21
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well it sure has been a hell of a day
The Take Out Bandit
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smurfx said:
Oh my.
Thank you very much.
Diatribe1974
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Had Microsoft launched the 360 with a built in HD-DVD player, we might not be talking about how the HD-DVD format is now officially on the way out, now would we?
Shogmaster
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If MS launched 360 with HD-DVD player built in, both platforms could be on the way out about now instead of just one. 360's success was contingent on it's timely "early" launch. If it's launched later, it wouldn't have been as successful and wouldn't have a development leg up on PS3. HD-DVD would have delay the launch and raised the price. A double whammy.DiatribeEQ said:
Looking back, would an increase in the 360's price stopped you from buying the console? If not at launch, but eventually? This just spills over into a completely different arguement (see '360 vs ps3 game library') ... but based on that, I do agree that HDDVD would have had an advantage if it were originally bundled. Not to mention getting HDMI from the start 
Whipped Spartan
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the HD DVD add on was a good choice for MS as they can now make me a BRD add on and wash their hands of HD DVD.
DopeyFish said:
Don't play lost Odyssey. j/k
phez said:Looking back, would an increase in the 360's price stopped you from buying the console? If not at launch, but eventually? This just spills over into a completely different arguement (see '360 vs ps3 game library') ... but based on that, I do agree that HDDVD would have had an advantage if it were originally bundled. Not to mention getting HDMI from the start
Bingo, Microsoft and Toshiba could have killed 2 birds with one stone with this strategy.
Dunlop said:One aspect that most are missing is that the PS3 is the cheapest BluRay player at $399.
$399 <> Mass adoption.
HD-DVD had made things interesting with the sub $200 players that would have inevitably forced BD to release cheaper players. Now, there is no incentive. So it will be a while longer before we see mass adoption.
Also say good by to the endless BOGO sales for BD (or at least the frequency of them)
Still gonna have to get a PS3 this year now....bastards
really? then how did I just see a 299 blu-ray player from cc?
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
In Nov 2005, HD-DVD was not ready nor the more mature HDMI versions. To incorporate them, 360 would have launched about 6 months or more later. That would have negated all the advantages of an early launch. HD-DVD built in simply was not an option back then.phez said:Looking back, would an increase in the 360's price stopped you from buying the console? If not at launch, but eventually? This just spills over into a completely different arguement (see '360 vs ps3 game library') ... but based on that, I do agree that HDDVD would have had an advantage if it were originally bundled. Not to mention getting HDMI from the start
Look, every sane person knew going in that all HD-DVD meant to MS was a monkeywrench to Sony, end o story. They knew there was incredibly small chance of HD-DVD actually winning over BR and was never a goal. Fast forward to today, their HD-DVD support did it's job. PS3 is in distant 3rd place in the biggest market and no where near 1st place in the other two markets.
Toshiba for their part got not much out of the deal, but they really have to take most of the blame. For instance, putting their best titles on that fucking asnine and more expensive Combo disc format was beyond retarded. Folks bought their HD-DVD players to play HD-DVD, not DVDs. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT that there is a DVD version on side B! It's as if they were saying to the consumer "we ain't exactly confident about this thing so here's a DVD version just in case it don't work out. Sorry but we have to have you pay for it too." Stupid.
Either way, none of this matters much to the failure that is PS3. People already have been buying PS3 as the cheapest BR player. PS3 was suppose to bolster BR, not the other way around. If BR happens to take off to the levels of DVD did back in 1999, say in couple of years from now, PS3 would be beyond saving anyways.
Shogmaster said:
So basically Microsoft used Toshiba to put a monkey wrench in the console war. I feel sorry for Toshiba (sort of), if Microsoft was earnest in their support the elite systems would have shipped with an HD-DVD drive even if it were just for movies only.
Yea you are right about those DVD/HD-DVD combos, those were a dumb idea.
Shogmaster said:
I disagree -- as I wrote in the thread about the Warner announcement, I doubt Microsoft's support of HD-DVD has anything to do with the console wars. Microsoft chose HD-DVD because of HDi and VC-1 -- HDi is used for interactivity on HD-DVD discs and VC-1 is the encoding used on many (most?) HD-DVD titles (as well as some blu ray titles.) Sure the 360 add-on was made to compete with the PS3, but it seems like that came after Microsoft was already fully behind HD-DVD.
professor_t
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Shogmaster said:
:lol Look at his post history. I'm pretty sure it's a joke account.
DeathWasHere
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lolShogmaster said:
DeathWasHere
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Steroyd said:
I use Vista as a gaming OS because Microsoft told me its a good gaming OS.
WickedAngel
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segarr said:
:lol
Do you really believe what you're posting or are you just doing it for shits 'n giggles?
mr_bishiuk
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I cant believe people think this turn of events means that MS were wrong to not include an HD DVD drive! Haven't you seen the sales figures? Do you know how much money Sony must be losing on each PS3?
You people make it sound like MS invented HD DVD but to them it was just a lever to reduce a selling point of the PS3, now there is nothing stopping them from bringing out a blu ray drive if they so choose.
You people make it sound like MS invented HD DVD but to them it was just a lever to reduce a selling point of the PS3, now there is nothing stopping them from bringing out a blu ray drive if they so choose.
Rapping Granny
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oh dear god, it's MAY 2005 again.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
smurfx said:
:lol i was trying to get that bigger before :lol HOTNESS, my bows better than hers though
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WickedAngel said:
He's posting like a distressed female now.
m0dus said:It's like I've traveled back in time to summer 2006 and there are still people who think (or maybe just *hope*) that a blu-ray drive is the singular key to a system's success? Also, The Nintendo Revolution to have touchpad support and VR goggles. you heard it here FIRST.
Joking aside, I think the mistake people seem to be making is assuming that backing HD-DVD was as pivotal to MS's platform as backing BRD is to Sony's. The answer is no, it isn't. Not even the same ballpark. MS's support of HD-DVD was so utterly half-assed that you'd really have to be blind (good lord, the wireless CONTROLLERS for the 360 have gotten more adspace and airtime than the HD-DVD addon.) It has been stated and restated, their HD medium of choice is digital downloads and xbox-live. Yet people make that leap in logic to equate the success or failure of either BRD or HD-DVD with that of said Console platforms.
I agree with what you are saying. Microsoft has Disney on their downloads, Microsoft has Warner for downloads. Toshiba could never get Disney. Microsoft is far from worried over this.
PetriP-TNT
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And what do we learn about this?
Never take Kotaku seriously.
Never take Kotaku seriously.
jordan0386
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He'll most likely open with a joke, about the whole situation.
mr_bishiuk
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Gadfly said:
BiggGs key note is more for the industry rather than MS, it would not be the done thing to announce specific MS products
Hurricane_Chris
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Personally I'd like to see a 360 Ultimate that had 120GB HDD, wireless out of the box as well as a combo BluRay/HDDVD drive in it. If they could do that for $700-$800 it'd get me to buy a 3rd 360 day one.
MikeE21286
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You and 5-6 other people.ddk said: