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Gawker: Spider-Man Can't Be Gay or Black
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Discotheque
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only comic book dorks think they messed up his personality in ALL of the movies.
they can be open to making spiderman have the brain of doctor octopus or have about 500 of them within the same issue of a comic but god forbid he has a nice-guy nerd personality in some films.
they can be open to making spiderman have the brain of doctor octopus or have about 500 of them within the same issue of a comic but god forbid he has a nice-guy nerd personality in some films.
Well, clearly F4 don't have those restrictions.
This contract is probably the most strict because it's Parker. I would say Wolverine probably has a more extended list of traits.
excelsiorlef
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Garrett Hawke
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Fucking lol. It's 2015 and we still have to deal with this shit.
Disappointing on behalf of both parties, but mostly Marvel.
Disappointing on behalf of both parties, but mostly Marvel.
DryEyeRelief
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Are they making a movie based on Iron Fist? I would love to read the description of a kung fu based super hero being required to be caucasian.
Oh, c'mon. Rami's Spider-Man was dull as hell. You just have to watch any piece of Spider Man media to see that. Don't need to even read the books.
my hands are up. don't shoot
I just want him to tell more jokes, while still being kinds this superhuman force of nature that bad guys are overwhelmingly intimidated by. Like in the 60's comics
Discotheque
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maybe he didn't fill your wise-crack quota but i found those movies damn fun tbh. it's like people forget about pizza-delivery spiderman or when he was in the elevator with that dude.
plenty of funny moments. but there's outrage that he didn't do his trademark "wisecrack every minute" thing.
I was agreeing with you, sorry. I was talking to the poster you quoted. whoops....
I would be raging 43 times as hard as I am right now
yeah he wasn't really funny while he was fighting though. that's like one of his trademark ways of putting bad guys off their game. He's beating the shit out of them and it seems like he doesn't even care, lol
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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That's probably true. It's also always possible that Fox went back and asked Marvel permission to make him black.
Sony just renegotiated the Spider-Man contract too, maybe they made it a little more strict then when they originally signed all those movie rights away in the 90s.
They're making a netflix series. Hopefully it will be like this
The movies and humour but were more of "look, Parker is clumsy or has bad luck" than him making fun of his enemies and annoying them.
Being a wise crack while in costume to hide is a big, big part of Spider-Man and Raimi didn't do it justice.
I'm not saying that makes the movies bad but saying he nailed Spider-Man's character I can't agree with and it's not something "only nerds complain" or wtv.
That tagline.
Guys, I'm so glad it's 2015 and not 1985. You have no effin' idea.
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This is the most clickbait I've seen all day. You can make a gay black spider man you just can't make a gay black Peter Parker. And more importantly SONY can't do that if Marvel wanted they could make a gay black Peter Parker.
It's a non story.
It's a non story.
Discotheque
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lol you guys are being so close-minded about the character. MUST joke during fights, or he's not spiderman. i understand being really big fans of him, but the change isn't that big. they haven't changed the nature of the character. as long as the films themselves are humorous in tone then it's all good.
adhering to such a strict checklist for any character is reductive imo.
thank God for the xmen movies, which I imagine y'all also have problems with (wolverine is too tall, he talks too much, xavier isn't juggernaut's brother etc. etc.)
adhering to such a strict checklist for any character is reductive imo.
thank God for the xmen movies, which I imagine y'all also have problems with (wolverine is too tall, he talks too much, xavier isn't juggernaut's brother etc. etc.)
Nope. Just Spider-Man and the joke thing, really.
Yeah I'm surprised Marvel left that out of the document
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Wolverine being the main character in just about any team story is a problem imo. Last one isn't even a character trait, why do you pull this nonsense in every comic book movie thread?
kunonabi
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A person is shaped by a lot more than hobbies. His perspective on things is going to be different as a black man just like making Blade a white guy would change him. Take Johnny Storm for instance. Say him and Sue get pulled over by the cops, you think that scenario is going to play out identically for white Johnny and black Johnny? You don't think think might have some impact on how they see the world? You don't think the way they grew up and looked out for each may have been different? If you want to argue that a character being a minority makes them more worthwhile than a boring old white guy you're welcome to that I just think it's more important to build minority representation from the ground up instead of picking and choosing when race matters to suit an agenda as important as that agenda may be.
This is the important part.
Of course people will flip their shit without taking in the entire thing.
How on earth did they get away with that? I don't recall a Spider-Man MAX
(Can't tell if it's Jones, Drew, or someone else)
Peter Parker has a set of character traits that have nothing to do with him being white. He can have the same traits while being black or have different ones influenced by his race how it it changed some things.
Both approaches are fine. Because he is black it doesn't mean he has to be a totally different character. He might be or he might not.
In the case of a light hearted super hero movie he can remain exactly the same because his main traits don't rely on being white or black but from liking nerdy things, being insecure, an outcast and a teenage. Traits that any race can have.
I honestly don't know the point you want to make. Yes you can write a scene where a black Parker his mistreated for being black but if you don't do it that doesn't make him less black.
Unless you are saying that every black teen in New York can't have those traits or those experiences as portrait by the comics.
And, as I said, you can even use him being black to talk about some of those issues and add to a character that lives in a type of environment where they would exist but that's up to the creator and doesn't mean Parker would be less Parker.
EDIT: Also, you seem to imply that because a person his black it has to have totally different personalities when they both live in the same environment.
Danny Rand IS caucasion.
Why is it such an outrage that characters have clauses to keep them true to their comic counterparts?
Syph Medwes
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I dont get it. I'm not really a comic-book or spiderman fan, but hasn't he always been white and heterosexual? What's the big deal?
Where is the Problem?
I says "can't be gay unless marvel has portrayed him as so", hint: most spidermen have being straight, can't verify for every alternate version, but this doesn't mean there are no alternate universe spideys that are gay, if there are, then spiderman can be gay, basically this is just saying "if you're making him gay, show me where in the canon you're getting this".
Then it says PETER cannot be gay or black because, holy shit, Peter Parker is NEITHER things in canon, however there is nothing saying they can't make a movie about Miles Morales (black/latino) or Miguel O'hara (latino/irish).
This seems like they're just trying to get outrage for the sake of outrage.
I says "can't be gay unless marvel has portrayed him as so", hint: most spidermen have being straight, can't verify for every alternate version, but this doesn't mean there are no alternate universe spideys that are gay, if there are, then spiderman can be gay, basically this is just saying "if you're making him gay, show me where in the canon you're getting this".
Then it says PETER cannot be gay or black because, holy shit, Peter Parker is NEITHER things in canon, however there is nothing saying they can't make a movie about Miles Morales (black/latino) or Miguel O'hara (latino/irish).
This seems like they're just trying to get outrage for the sake of outrage.
I have no problem with X-Men. Even if I do think Wolverine is too stoic at times.
But Spider-Man being a wise cracker is half is personality. You can't just not do that and say it's the same.
Discotheque
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there is no problem here, it just looks worse when you outright declare it all in print like this.
most of that stuff is usually just implied tbh.
it would be cool though if hollywood cast according to their vision rather than just race. black james bond, brown peter parker, asian batman etc. will smith was gonna be cast as superman but he turned it down, so i imagine sometimes they are trying to break the mould. that would be an awesome future but i don't see it happening for at least 20 years.
most of that stuff is usually just implied tbh.
it would be cool though if hollywood cast according to their vision rather than just race. black james bond, brown peter parker, asian batman etc. will smith was gonna be cast as superman but he turned it down, so i imagine sometimes they are trying to break the mould. that would be an awesome future but i don't see it happening for at least 20 years.
old manatee
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Donald Glover would have been a perfect Spider Man.
Will Smith turned out being Super-Man? Why would he do that and then do Suicide Squad?
That's almost as bad as not being Neo to do Wild Wild West.
Discotheque
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http://www.mtv.com/news/1590297/wil...e-hancock-suits-him-far-better-than-superman/
he foresaw the amount of shit he would get from the internet. i imagine the superman returns with smith would have been much more interesting than the one with routh. with the latter it made the movie way too much of a continuation of the donner movies and it was a damn mess because of it imo.
not psycho
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Agreed. But that's missing the point of this agreement.
Marvel can make Peter Parker black and/or gay. Marvel could still allow or have allowed Sony to cast Donald Glover in the role, who I think would or would have been great, if Sony asked them for permission.
This is about Marvel having control of the matter instead of Sony having control over it.
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I believe Peter Parker should remain who he is - white, straight, what have you. Spider-Man on the other hand...
He really would off. He has that amazing comedic timing and also has a splint on his shoulder that would probably help him with the more dramatic and rebellious side of it.
But Andrew Garfield did such a good job that I can't complain.
If only the movies themselves were good. In the end we would've lost either way.
They need already to just retcon that "James Bond" is the Alias given to any agent bearing the 007 codename, because, why the fuck would you, as a spy, use your real name to identify while on spy business?
Why would Marvel not want to keep a strict control on how their iconic characters are portrayed?
Why couldn't an anglo-african be named James Bond?
Manmademan
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because he was offered superman returns in 2006. He was a bit more bankable back then and could do what he wanted. Not really the case now.
The quote from him about it was spot on though:
it's absolutely fucking true. If Will Smith had done superman returns, that would have been the end of his career.
Gotdatmoney
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I dont think there is any issue with the clauses Marvel set forward more than I feel like they are never gonna ball for a movie about Miles Morale or any Spidey that isn't Peter. But maybe I'll be wrong one day.
DryEyeRelief
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I thought we were talking about the reboot.
Wasn't Returns a sequel to Superman 2? Why change the race then? That I admit wouldn't make much sense unless the original plan was a reboot.
And I agree, it would be risky as hell to do it.
That's the point, bro, people bitch about the idea of Black james bond because "huurrr durrr james bond is white", but since he's been portrayed by many actors, a lot of people like the idea that "james bond" is an alias rather than the spy's actual name, so if they actually make this canon, racists wouldn't have a leg to stand to say "james bond can't be black" because now anybody can be james bond.
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I dont understand the point of the this lol
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