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[kaching]

There's pretty obviously a difference between wanting to see less of something and thinking it should be censored.

I don't think people should be racist. I wish fewer people were racist. I do not think that racism should be censored.

I think this is making a distinction without much of a difference. If you want to see less of something but don't think it should be censored, how actively are you going to protect its right to exist vs express your distaste for it?

It's a fine ideal to express but what's the practical outcome here?

 

[Jarmel]

Wow at this thread.

 

[NoirVisage]

Jesus @ the amount of ad hominem attacks in this thread. She's an environmental artist for Christ's sake, she has nothing to do with any character designs. If you're curious about her thought's on those Gearbox designs, try asking her on twitter instead of posting mindless dribble. You don't need to defend or justify Dragon's Crown in any fashion, I think the game looks great and plan to buy it. If you can't see why anyone would have any issue with the designs you're fucking naive.


Who gives a shit, this thread is insane. But highly entertaining, so continue.

If you can't understand why people are bringing up the company she worked for and her own work after she insults the art & well respected artist of a niche game, you may need to come down, the air is thin up there on your high horse.

 

[Superflat]

Stop ruining my dream that game developers are level-headed, reasonable, loving people who live in secluded, charming cottages and sing merrily as they craft interactive entertainment!

But seriously, talk about a knee-jerk response. She clearly knew jack shit about the game or the studio and started running her mouth based on her own deluded fabrications.

 

[Daingurse]

If you can't understand why people are bringing up the company she worked for and her own work after she insults the art & well respected artist of a niche game, you may need to come down, the air is thin up there on your high horse.

The people bringing up her company are idiots, you have no idea what her opinions are on the games she works for. I'm not sure why you'd care even if you did. After all she might be making fucking rock textures. The high road helps with my asthma.

 

[NoirVisage]

Stop ruining my dream that game developers are level-headed, reasonable, loving people who live in secluded, charming cottages and sing merrily as they craft interactive entertainment!

But seriously, talk about a knee-jerk response. She clearly knew jack shit about the game or the studio and started running her mouth based on her own deluded fabrications.

I wouldn't doubt it.

 

[prwxv3]

And again this needs to be re-posted for every dragon crown thread.

I’ll go into detail about the reasons behind some of Dragon’s Crown design concepts.

I believe that the basic fantasy motifs seen in Dungeons & Dragons and the work of J.R.R. Tolkien have a style that is very attractive, and I chose to use some orthodox ones in my basic designs. However, if I left those designs as is, they won’t stand out amongst the many fantasy designs already in the video game/comic/movie/etc. space. Because of that, I decided to exaggerate all of my character designs in a cartoonish fashion.

I exaggerated the silhouettes of all the masculine features in the male characters, the feminine features in female characters, and the monster-like features in the monsters from many different angles until each had a unique feel to them. I apologize to those who were made uncomfortable by the art’s appearance, and did not see the same light-hearted fantasy in my designs.

 

[NoirVisage]

The people bringing up her company are idiots, you have no idea what her opinion are on the games she works for. After all she might be making fucking rock textures. The high road helps with my asthma.

hypocrisy for 500 Alex.. You just hit the nail on the head and you don't even realize it. Asthma is the least of your problems.

 

[LiK]

I know nothing about Dragons Crown other than it's characters look stupid to me, outside of the girl with a bow. The rest just look too odd.

Check out the trailers. Glorious

 

[JDSN]

reposting this:

 

[Ragingnight]

I'm not going to judge her based on he work done by gearbox. I'm going to judge her based on what she said, and what she said painted her as a "angry manchild". Fucking lulz.

 

[CambriaRising]

The people bringing up her company are idiots, you have no idea what her opinions are on the games she works for. I'm not sure why you'd care even if you did. After all she might be making fucking rock textures. The high road helps with my asthma.

In your this post and the previous one you make ad hominoem blanket attacks. Which is quite hypocritical based on the beginning of the first post.

 

[Daingurse]

hypocrisy for 500 Alex.. You just hit the nail on the head and you don't even realize it. Asthma is the least of your problems.

Who cares? You can judge a piece of art, it doesn't fucking matter what you've done. I could care less what she thinks about it.

Her opinion is totally valid, the Sorceress is highly sexualized can't even be argued. I just don't care.

In your this post and the previous one you make ad hominoem blanket attacks. Which is quite hypocritical based on the beginning of the first post.

Your point? I believe anyone posting Borderlands screenshots in here to prove a point is an idiot. Call me hypocritical, don't really care.

 

[sublimit]

reposting this:

In before "OH THIS IS NOTHING BUT AN EXCUSE TO SHOW CLEAVAGE!FILTHY PERVERTS!!1"

 

[GitarooMan]

And again this needs to be re-posted for every dragon crown thread.

That reads just like any other PR spin ("unique" "cartoonish" "light-hearted" "sorry if you were offended", it classically dances around the purported issue without addressing it). I'm not saying it's necessarily a big deal or anything to get "serious business" about, but that statement is empty.

 

[NoirVisage]

Who cares? You can judge a piece of art, it doesn't fucking matter what you've done. I could care less what she thinks about it.

Her opinion is totally valid, the Sorceress is highly sexualized can't even be argued. I just don't care.



Your point? I believe anyone posting Borderlands screenshots in here to prove a point is an idiot. Call me hypocritical, don't really care.

I was talking about HER..
yeah.. I'm done here.

 

[Ragingnight]

Who cares? You can judge a piece of art, it doesn't fucking matter what you've done. I could care less what she thinks about it.

Her opinion is totally valid, the Sorceress is highly sexualized can't even be argued. I just don't care.



Your point? I believe anyone posting Borderlands screenshots in here to prove a point is an idiot. Call me hypocritical, don't really care.

I think its what she said about something fucking something lol something 5th grader that people are upset about.

 

[Totobeni]

She calls out the artwork for Dragon's Crow to be juvenile then goes and designs this?

I think the outfit is pretty and unique for Mirana and I have no issue with it, but really just contradicts all her comments.

this is from a professional artist? it's anatomically incorrect,no hip and thigh is connected to nothing.

a person got paid for this?

 

[Daingurse]

I think its what she said about something fucking something lol something 5th grader that people are upset about.

It's a post on an internet forum, this false outrage is downright hilarious. People feel a strong need to defend this game, I don't really know why.

 

[Tomat]

this is from a professional artist? it's anatomically incorrect,no hip and thigh is connected to nothing.

a person got paid for this?

Blame Valve, it's their base model.

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Are comments on Dragon Crown's art by random people employed in the industry going to be the new "Cliff Bleszinski tweets something" threads?

 

[NoirVisage]

this is from a professional artist? it's anatomically incorrect,no hip and thigh is connected to nothing.

a person got paid for this?

Neh, this is her hobby stuff most likely, but she was an environmental artist In a game. So she isn't responsible for character design or modeling.

 

[Talon]

What part of "environmental artist" did everyone miss?

 

[hbkajshdvfbkjhvgkahsgdfka]

this is from a professional artist? it's anatomically incorrect,no hip and thigh is connected to nothing.

a person got paid for this?

It's a custom outfit for a character that she didn't design for a game she didn't work on. She does 3D modelling and art as a hobby as well. Blame Valve for the character not being anatomically correct. She doesn't get paid to do character design, she's a environment artist.

 

[sublimit]

That reads just like any other PR spin ("unique" "cartoonish" "light-hearted" "sorry if you were offended", it classically dances around the purported issue without addressing it). I'm not saying it's necessarily a big deal or anything to get "serious business" about, but that statement is empty.

Even if that is a sincere reference theme for her character what bugs me is that they have to justify the concept with a background in order to give a more acceptable answer.

What's wrong with just saying "we like big tits" and be done with it without being apologetic about it.
Also what about the warrior character?Is there a backstory that justifies her big ass?lol

 

[radios shipping overview]

Pot calls kettle black. Next?

 

[NoirVisage]

What part of "environmental artist" did everyone miss?

What part of throwing stones while eating at the table in a glass house do you not get? ANYONE who has something to say on this topic is opening themselves up to heavy scrutiny, K***** opened up a poop storm.

 

[Totobeni]

Blame Valve, it's their base model.

whoever in Valve designed that thing need to learn few things about how human body work.

 

[Kouichi]

reposting this:

Wow, first time seeing this. Very interesting.

 

[NoirVisage]

Even if that is a sincere reference theme for her character what bugs me is that they have to justify the concept with a background in order to give a more acceptable answer.

What's wrong with just saying "we like big tits" and be done with it without being apologetic about it.
Also what about the warrior character?Is there a backstory that justifies her big ass?lol

Yes, Big thighs, immense feminine strength..and Sir Mix a lot.

 

[Einbroch]

:lol at that necromancy image.

 

[Skyzard]

That reads just like any other PR spin ("unique" "cartoonish" "light-hearted" "sorry if you were offended", it classically dances around the purported issue without addressing it). I'm not saying it's necessarily a big deal or anything to get "serious business" about, but that statement is empty.

The characters aren't really attractive like Dead or Alive does it, they are over the top ridiculous and what he did makes his game standout and I'd fully agree with that as the designs are half the reason for my interest even though I usually hate the moaning schoolgirl type of thing in Japanese games 'these days'.

I think it could be really bad if he went into detail, he'd get backlash for it one way or the other.

 

[MetalGuardian]

As you can see it's pretty obvious why she's so upset

Okay, all of the hate over this post is wildly confusing to me.

Is it low to cut down a stranger based on his or her looks? Of course it is. I don't agree with the comment or find it amusing in any way. But this sort of stuff goes on ALL OF THE TIME in OT. Choose any random thread that features a female celebrity, for example. Plenty of people will be making jokes about whoever it is being ugly or unbangable or whatever else. What's the difference here? You can't necessarily say that celebrities are in the public eye and this person isn't... she works for a high profile game developer and is actively putting herself out into public discussion.

Now, it would be one thing if people were upset because he was using her looks as a counterargument to her point, which of course is no way to argue with any semblance of logic. That did not seem to be the reason though that so many people had their feathers ruffled by this. And again, one-liner degrading jokes based on appearance that don't address the topic at hand are very commonplace in the OT.

Again, it was a stupid comment and I don't agree with it. I'm more just genuinely curious as to what the discrepancy is. Maybe Gaming side is just moderated more strictly and I've just never noticed?

Anyway, back on point, I really am getting so damn sick of big-titted parodies comprising such a large degree of female character design. It's embarrassing for the hobby and promotes the stereotype that all gamers are horny teenage boys. I know all of this has been said thousands and thousands of times here, so I'm not sure why I'm still taking the time to type this, but alas. It's too bad too, because Dragon's Crown looks like a neat game. Unfortunately though stupid designs can absolutely reflect poorly on the product as a whole, no matter how great the rest of the game actually is.

 

[Daingurse]

reposting this:

Fertility idols have been around as long as art itself. They are always highly sexualized and have exaggerated parts of anatomy attributed to fertility. That doesn't justify the Sorceress because honestly it's an enormous stretch. The Sorceress doesn't have to have any reason to have big breasts beyond the simple fact that big breasts are appealing. Sorceresses have had big breasts in media for a long time, especially gaming.

 

[Skyzard]

Okay, all of the hate over this post is wildly confusing to me.

Is it low to cut down a stranger based on his or her looks? Of course it is. I don't agree with the comment or find it amusing in any way. But this sort of stuff goes on ALL OF THE TIME in OT. Choose any random thread that features a female celebrity, for example. Plenty of people will be making jokes about whoever it is being ugly or unbangable or whatever else. What's the difference here? You can't necessarily say that celebrities are in the public eye and this person isn't... she works for a high profile game developer and is actively putting herself out into public discussion.

Now, it would be one thing if people were upset because he was using her looks as a counterargument to her point, which of course is no way to argue with any semblance of logic. That did not seem to be the reason though that so many people had their feathers ruffled by this. And again, one-liner degrading jokes based on appearance that don't address the topic at hand are very commonplace in the OT.

Again, it was a stupid comment and I don't agree with it. I'm more just genuinely curious as to what the discrepancy is. Maybe Gaming side is just moderated more strictly and I've just never noticed?

Anyway, back on point, I really am getting so damn sick of big-titted parodies comprising such a large degree of female character design. It's embarrassing for the hobby and promotes the stereotype that all gamers are horny teenage boys. I know all of this has been said thousands and thousands of times here, so I'm not sure why I'm still taking the time to type this, but alas. It's too bad too, because Dragon's Crown looks like a neat game. Unfortunately though stupid designs can absolutely reflect poorly on the product as a whole, no matter how great the rest of the game actually is.

The difference is we should be better. People deserve their right to an opinion and to be criticized for it. She's not a celebrity, she's not a model who makes a living off her looks. We have no idea the context of that photo either. It's just something to look down upon so we can have one less thing to feel bad about doing.

Also, wasn't this exactly what he was doing?:

Now, it would be one thing if people were upset because he was using her looks as a counterargument to her point, which of course is no way to argue with any semblance of logic.

 

[Tomat]

Just curious, did anyone read her follow up post too?

The only male character on there I hate is the sorcerer or whatever, because I personally can't stand that long white-haired emo dude look that is in like every anime-styled game ever. But it's not even the boobs and ass itself that creeps me out with this kind of stuff, it's those awkward painful-looking sexy poses combined with identical faces that are completely devoid of features, expression, or personality. It's super creepy and makes it pretty clear that the focus is meant to be their sexual features and not the characters themselves, and to me that's an artistic cop-out and boring.

Regardless, the amount of shits some people here seem to give about what people are saying on the internet is fucking insane. It's one thing to have issues with what a news outlet like Kotaku is posting as "news" and another to find some industry employee on some forum posting their opinion on something. Who fucking cares?

 

[Akainu]

The difference is we are better.

Are we?

 

[LiK]

Are we?

Believe.

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

I'm waiting for Kamitani to be called a rape apologist within the month.

 

[NoirVisage]

Just curious, did anyone read her follow up post too?



Regardless, the amount of shits some people here seem to give about what people are saying on the internet is fucking insane. It's one thing to have issues with what a news outlet like Kotaku is posting as "news" and another to find some industry employee on some forum posting their opinion on something. Who fucking cares?

Clearly you do or you wouldn't have clicked on the thread or bothered to post her "follow-up"

 

[MetalGuardian]

The difference is we should be better. People deserve their right to an opinion and to be criticized for it. She's not a celebrity, she's not a model who makes a living off her looks. We have no idea the context of that photo either. It's just something to look down upon so we can have one less thing to feel bad about doing.

Also, wasn't this exactly what he was doing?:

Absolutely we should be better. Again, I'm not endorsing the comment, and I myself would never be so blatantly mean-spirited. I just don't know why the hammer of justice fell on him so quickly when most of the time all have a merry laugh over in the OT when the same stuff occurs.

And yes, that IS what he was doing. That just didn't seem to be the main reason people were so upset by it.

 

[Skyzard]

^ You're right there is a difference, you're onto something. But I still think it's a good thing for the stricter moderation in this case. Hard to explain why - as you say, he was purposefully being mean. People do that all the time, but when it gets too personal and unjust people speak out. Thankfully!

If he posted a smaller photo and maybe left a joke that implied it wasn't her looks, things might have been different.

Are we?

Too fast for me.

 

[SteeloDMZ]

I'm curious at just how many of those that "pretend" to be upset at people criticizing this game's visual style actually give two flying fucks about Dragon's Crown.

 

[Superflat]

I'm sorry, but I didn't design, draw, or have anything to do with Moxxi at any point in my life. But if you're bringing her up, I'd say the main differences between her and something like the sorceress are that she's sexualized for a reason that makes sense, and that she actually resembles an actual person somewhat. I should clarify that it's not just a matter of the boobs themselves that makes it super weird, at least not for me. It's actually the tiny, featureless, expressionless face that lends the character no personality. It strips any character away and focuses solely on the sexual features, which is what creates the creepy factor. Even those sexy dwarves were miles better in that regard, just by having facial expressions.

Because the males in Dragon's Crown totally do resemble real men somewhat? I would say the Sorceress has just as much a reason to have sexual features as Moxxi; better, even. They way she judges the art style irks me to no end because again, she doesn't apply any real thinking. Also, shifting goal posts, etc etc.

I'll admit I was being totally hyperbolic and have a tendency to do that when I get annoyed. I got a little carried away and wrote that after reading how he responded to the PA guy with the dwarf drawing. I will apologize for the tone of that rant, but I still stand by the message of it. And I do believe that all art is open to critique, criticism, insults, everything, once it is made public. Constructive criticism is always the best, but to say that an artist's work should be shielded "the worst of it" is a bit naieve, as even that can be informative if you're getting enough of it v: You open yourself up to that when you release something to the public, whether it is art, games, or any creative endeavor (especially when it's deliberately provocative). And that's something that most artists are aware of and can usually handle just fine.

At least she apologized for being an asshole.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

Anyway, back on point, I really am getting so damn sick of big-titted parodies comprising such a large degree of female character design. It's embarrassing for the hobby and promotes the stereotype that all gamers are horny teenage boys. I know all of this has been said thousands and thousands of times here, so I'm not sure why I'm still taking the time to type this, but alas. It's too bad too, because Dragon's Crown looks like a neat game. Unfortunately though stupid designs can absolutely reflect poorly on the product as a whole, no matter how great the rest of the game actually is.

I agree with this and I think that this is a discussion worth having. People posting that they are "sick of this shit" (meaning controversial topics around femininity in gaming) should get over it.

 

[elyetis]

Apparently only 5 of you know how 3rd party item design works in the game pictured above. You can only add a few pieces to the character, and there are limits to what you can change. Basically, she added a flower to her hair, changed her dress style and added some made her own shoulder design. The rest is just the base model in a game she didn't make or design. As such...just don't even quote this shit. It makes you look stupid to people who do know how the workshop in this game works.

I'm no Mirana expert but I don't see anything preventing her to cover her legs more with her set, would probably be harder to cover her boobs thought.

 

[Tomat]

Clearly you do or you wouldn't have clicked on the thread or bothered to post her "follow-up"

I care because shit like this pops up here too often. "Cliffy B Tweets" threads get locked down. This is hardly different than that.

This is a big stink over nothing. It's sad.

 

[Boogdud]

Seriously, that's in game, it's not fanart or anything.

Go home Gearbox, you're drunk.

 

[Haunted]

At least this thread has served a purpose with some of the asshole sexists hiding on this board outing themselves and getting perm'd quickly.


edit: ^^ now if only there was a way to get people to read the OP and the thread past the title before replying.

 

[AdventureRacing]

As you can see it's pretty obvious why she's so upset

Besides the fact that this is a really dumb thing to say she is attractive anyway.