TatteredHat
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News so fake the guy had to resign, if the guy really was colluding with Russia he should be tried for high treason.
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BrassDragon
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I think the next domino is lower on the totem pole, namely the people Attorney General Sally Yates briefed on the Flynn situation several weeks ago (before she was summarily fired for questioning the legality of the travel ban.)
To insulate Pence and Trump from the fallout, they'll have to sacrifice the people in the White House counsel who she informed... hopefully there are receipts of that briefing.
I kinda hope that they begin to distrust the system so much that they stop voting.
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What understanding is that?
The official "story" coming from the White House, at the moment, is that "Flynn misled (read: lied) to Pence".
Do you really believe stories coming from the White House at the moment?
Dash_Riprock
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More like he knows nothing. As I said in another thread, we expected Pence to be a Cheney but instead he's a Quayle.
That said, I can easily see him being made into (another) Fall Guy if more shit goes down.
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BrassDragon
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Just speculating but... Since all of this broke after information about the five conversations between Flynn and the Russian ambassador were leaked to the press, presumably by counter-espionage departments, I wonder if the involved officers chose to burn their sourcing for the sake of the getting someone to actually do something.
If that's the case, leadership has to be involved with the leaks because lower levels can't just decide to throw away assets like that.
That spy revolt might really be a thing.
If that's the case, leadership has to be involved with the leaks because lower levels can't just decide to throw away assets like that.
That spy revolt might really be a thing.
SuperBowser
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I think everybody knows Flynn was not the only shady person involved with Russia. Resignation is not enough. I truly hope the media latch on to this and refuse to let go. All the traitors should be highlighted for their misdeeds, removed and punished.
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Trump will never get impeached
Billy_Pilgrim
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First pillar of Nosgoth destroyed
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That Flynn lied to Pence and it pissed Pence off was in The Observer report on Sunday. I'm personally not concerned with whatever words Spicey cobbles together or Conway lying through her plastic face, no. I'm going off reports of what sources in the IC are saying.
I think Pence is the one that's alive at the end of the movie, so to speak. Pence is human garbage too, I just don't think he's a stooge.
It's likely he'll just die before then... He isn't so healthy after all.
When this story broke, soon after I decided to check /pol/ to see how Trumps base was reacting. They're as irritated as we are apparently. From what I gather, they're fine with open discrimination against Muslims and pushing for more protectionism, but draw the line with collusion with Russia. As long as the person who takes over maintains an anti-Muslim, anti-NAFTA stance, most of his base will go along with whoever the next Republican replacement is.
If it gets to the point that Pence goes down, Trump will be not far behind.
I totally buy it after this.
UberTag
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To be fair, that particular story is being corroborated by Sally Yates and additional sources outside of the White House. I'm not saying it hasn't been manufactured partly to allow Pence to escape culpability - but if there is truth to that, that's a fiction being woven by Republicans from outside of the White House. Not from within.
I agree with this assessment. He's consciously been kept out of Trump's inner circle for a reason.
He's politically savvy enough to know he's the Republican parachute if Trump's house of cards topples.
Pence is surely there to be "last man standing" from Republican Party to take over of Trump (and his cabal of Bannon, etc) go down surely?
Seems as an outsider he's the actual traditional a republican guy the party likely mandated had to be in place as a fail safe if Trump's Presidency stiffs.
So yeah he's surely not going to be next.
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Hannity will find some new way to suck Trumps dick, be sure of it.
If he is found to be colluding with Russians, then his ass is gone. Whether it happens or not is just a question of how closely tied he was to all this.
UnluckyKate
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he doesnt even know he's being an asset at this point
DerangedHermit
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Reading stuff on twitter that Murdoch media is backing Praetus to replace Flynn? What a clownshow.
If Chris Steele's report is found true, then he knows. And they have already confirmed more of it recently.
Exactly. Pence isn't being played now because he's the establishment contingency.
It's a somewhat ludicrous position, but the only people capable of holding the president to account are his own party. And his own party have no interest in doing that.
Unless something profound changes, there will be no proper investigation of anything, hence he cannot be 'found' to be doing anything.
Pence is no dummy or novice, even if he's not involved in their Russian shenanigans it's not like he doesn't know how much shady shit is going on and who's involved.
He just knows to stay out of it and stay quiet. That's the best way to be one of the few still standing when this shitshow inevitably comes tumbling down. The rest of the GOP establishment will do the same, they're great at surviving like cockroaches.
He just knows to stay out of it and stay quiet. That's the best way to be one of the few still standing when this shitshow inevitably comes tumbling down. The rest of the GOP establishment will do the same, they're great at surviving like cockroaches.
Depends. If he remains somehow above this, then sure. However, what I suspect will happen is that Trump will not go quietly, and drag his administration with him. Pence may have to go simply due to guilt by association. That's why I proposed Ryan might get the nod, as he is the one in the line of succession who is truly an outsider to the situation.
In any case, if Trump goes down, Pence is going with him; I suspect they are too closely tied for one to survive without the other. This isn't a House of Cards scenario. Frank survived President Walker due to being his second VP, and coming in after all the collusion happened. In this scenario, the outsider who is next in power is Ryan.
Not that much would change though. The tough stance on Iran, the renegotiation of NAFTA, the deregulation, the focus on China and trade, the anti-Muslim stance would continue, if only to appease what's left of Trump's base. The thing is, Someone like Ryan would be able to spin it or make it more... palatable, and thus in many ways make him more dangerous than Trump ever was. But that's all theory for now.
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Doesn't the speaker of the house get the position? I think I learned that from West Wing...
Gurgelhals
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You know we live in a dark timeline when the thought of Paul Ryan being President actually gives me a sense of hope.
Speaker of the House becomes Prez.
A Ryan Administration would (probably) be more functionally competent and successful at passing their regressive policies, but at least we wouldn't worry about nuclear war and would cut out the bullshit expenses tied to Trump like securing Trump Tower and the fucking Mar-a-Lago. 
Not after you realized he has a good chance of holding that seat for 10 years
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UberTag
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Don't forget about Trump's silly border wall.A Ryan Administration would (probably) be more functionally competent and successful at passing their regressive policies, but at least we wouldn't worry about nuclear war and would cut out the bullshit expenses tied to Trump like securing Trump Tower and the fucking Mar-a-Lago.
ebullientprism
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For some people, sure. But those people want Trump gone by any means necessary anyway.
But for a significant chunk of the population (especially amongst the core Trump fans) this will absolutely destroy any faith they have in the system. They either dont give two shits about Trump being a Putin's bitch or they think its all fake news.
Trump will be a martyr to them. A guy that fought the system and won. Then proceeded to try to do all that he had promised. And was ultimately screwed over by the system anyway.
It will divide and polarize your country even more than right now.
A Serious Man
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Depends on how 2018 goes.
I could stomach it if it meant that Democrats were forced to abandon the Executive for a while and try to rebuild from the ground up: winning state senates and governorships, then focus on taking the congress there after. Local government has the most impact on the average American's daily life, and starting there is an effective way to build support. And potentially get some new blood in contention for the national stage.
It worked for Republicans.
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Wait you telling me that somebody in the Trump administration isn't on the up and up? I find that very hard to believe #fakenews
The GOP just gave birth to the biggest activism era since Vietnam and that's before anything really really bad even happens in terms of actual conflict or passed policy.
I get the stats and the arguments, but I don't think 2018 is as promised to them as people think and I'm tempted to say they can kiss 2020 goodbye.
Palette Swap
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I assume they'll praise Trump for being decisive in acting so swiftly and showing he has no love for Russian manipulations. Truly a great, independent leader.
Totally not the compromised captain of a clownshow of a sinking ship.
Turbo Killer
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The purge begins.
Does that really matter to them. The few get richer in those years. Job done. Sure they would like 8 years but more or less they can probably squeeze out more contracts and dollars past that until the dems manage to roll back some things.
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