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Genuine question: What is white culture?
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Smoking from bongs seems to be a white culture thing, while blunts are usually a black culture thing.
I think both white and black can agree they're both great, and fuck joints.
I think both white and black can agree they're both great, and fuck joints.
gutter_trash
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I'm looking in a mirror right now,, (I know it's winter and all and I am deficiient in Vitamin D), that is one pale, sickly. pasty looking Portuguese guy looking back at me.
you Americans crack me up, LOL. Seriously But it's not you fault, you inherited the white purity obsession from the Britith who didn't consider the Irish to be white either just because they be Catholic
Latinos can be white too btw.
Generally culture is regional or heritage based. White culture is just as diverse as any other.
The american white culture in dallas is different to the white culture in new england and in turn they are both different to the white culture of the northwest.
Thats not even considering international white culture.
The american white culture in dallas is different to the white culture in new england and in turn they are both different to the white culture of the northwest.
Thats not even considering international white culture.
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if a bunch of black people make a movie with a bunch of black people in it and then a bunch of black people go to see it, we call that a "black movie."
if a bunch of white people make a movie with a bunch of white people in it and then a bunch of white people go to see it, we just call it regular.
which is fine, but it's just good to understand that there's nothing about being white, whiteness, white history or stuff that white people like which is intrinsically 'default' or 'normal' or 'regular'.
also for the record since "white" and "black" are made up social categories with no scientific basis, their meaning has changed over time(usually to suit people in power). In fact the idea of there being a multi-national ethnic category of people called "white" didn't even come into fashion until the 1600s.
if a bunch of white people make a movie with a bunch of white people in it and then a bunch of white people go to see it, we just call it regular.
which is fine, but it's just good to understand that there's nothing about being white, whiteness, white history or stuff that white people like which is intrinsically 'default' or 'normal' or 'regular'.
also for the record since "white" and "black" are made up social categories with no scientific basis, their meaning has changed over time(usually to suit people in power). In fact the idea of there being a multi-national ethnic category of people called "white" didn't even come into fashion until the 1600s.
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HerbertBirdsfoot
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There is no such thing as white culture.
American culture
Anglo-American culture
German-American culture
Black (or African-American) culture
But not white culture. You can't define a culture by just drawing a line around a bunch of subgroups and deciding who is in or out. That's not culture, it's just nonsense.
Read up on Irish people and how they "became white"... whiteness isn't a culture, it's a racial construct for exclusion.
American culture
Anglo-American culture
German-American culture
Black (or African-American) culture
But not white culture. You can't define a culture by just drawing a line around a bunch of subgroups and deciding who is in or out. That's not culture, it's just nonsense.
Read up on Irish people and how they "became white"... whiteness isn't a culture, it's a racial construct for exclusion.
gutter_trash
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also another point, nationality is not bound by race.
like many countries, many new additions get added to a country's mosaic and enrich the whole.
Portugal being brought up, yeah it's mostly white of Proto-Celtics that were invaded by Romans, Goths and Moors.
Many new additions come from Eastern Europe like Ukraine.
Portugal's current Prime Minister is a quarter Goan.
Cristiano Ronaldo's great-grandmother is Cape Verdian.
Portugal's biggest futebol legend was born in Mozambique, the great Eusébio
the obsession with whiteness is insane.
like many countries, many new additions get added to a country's mosaic and enrich the whole.
Portugal being brought up, yeah it's mostly white of Proto-Celtics that were invaded by Romans, Goths and Moors.
but we can many notable Afro-Portuguese who contriubute greatly to our country.
Many new additions come from Eastern Europe like Ukraine.
Portugal's current Prime Minister is a quarter Goan.
Cristiano Ronaldo's great-grandmother is Cape Verdian.
Portugal's biggest futebol legend was born in Mozambique, the great Eusébio
the obsession with whiteness is insane.
Speaking as someone who can pass...ehhhhhhh. It depends. Not sure if that push will come, some people really don't want Latinos to be considered white. I've been told that I am/am not white enough times I learned to just roll with whatever the person in question has decided me to be. Sometimes, people want me to feel like I'm white - buuuut sometimes you run into some racist dudes who are very fond of telling me to go back to Russia, presumably because they think any foreign white looking dude is Russian, which is hilarious. I'm always only as white as the white dude talking to me thinks I am.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Something we learned from Arabs & Africans.
Well some of us don't have much choice...
Zelenogorsk
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I'm not sure if this is a trick question or not, but yes? At least that's the case here in Europe.
This. Especially in an American context. White = the norm. White = the absence of race or color because White people are blind to their own culture and have actually invested in seeing themselves from a de-racialized lens.
I can't count how many white Americans I've met who have no sense of a positively developed racial identity. White Americans have killed it for themselves.
Jaguar Victory
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Wait. When did Portuguese and Spaniards become non white?
Prototype Viktor
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depends on region, year and order you were colonized
I have been on six flights in the last 6 days. No one clapped after they landed.
I'm now positive it's a stupid people thing and not just a white thing.
Monocle
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It's that thing where we take your stuff and then say it's our stuff.
Thanks for making me not die, Mr. or Ms. pilot.
Real answer: this.
No this is a reasonable response to not dying in the airplane.
Thanks for making me not die, Mr. or Ms. pilot.
only if you were flying on the now defunct Mandrake Airlines.
MilkyJoe
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Just because you don't know something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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You are absolutely clueless aren't you.
Hispanic people is a term defining Latin American people, white migrants from Europe mixed to various degrees with native American populations.
Portuguese and Spanish majorities are white European, if you will with a massive mix of genes as generally any other European people, if you consider an ancestry in the past 2000 years of at least (and already mixed) Iberian people, Celts, Romans, a tad of Phoenician and Greeks, North African Berber, Arabs and Jews, and Germanic peoples.
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La la land.
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Greco-Roman art, most of Hollywood, many kinds of beautiful architecture, crosses, lions, dragons, olive branches, swords, guns, skulls, hearts, classical literature, enlightenment thinking, expansionism, isolationism, classical music, and yes what became both rock and metal music, but not everything is about music.
Many of the video games and movies you enjoy are likely mainly thanks to white people, unless you're big into non-Western films and Japanese games only.
Many of the video games and movies you enjoy are likely mainly thanks to white people, unless you're big into non-Western films and Japanese games only.
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Boss★Moogle;232165803 said:
Yeah it's annoying but, the answer is most of Western culture. If the OP can't deal with that, well there are plenty of posters of all races in this thread who are willing to point out that he has no point.
And some who agree with his premise...
Prototype Viktor
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This
that's not white culture that's just accidental living in a society where the population is a mix of mostly 4 races and only ever having family members of 1 of them for the last 100-600 years or so
eqqsquizitine
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Is Greco-roman culture
Is American culture
Is a part of the culture of the respective societies which produced that architecture.
You just listed a smorgasbord of stuff, most of which have no cultural connections to each other, some of which have loose cultural connections to other aspects of themselves. Classical literature? Who in their right mind would say The Aeneid and Pride & Prejudice are a product of the same culture.
Most video games are products of American culture. Though there are some which are clearly not, The Witcher is very clearly Polish/Scandinavian culture and is an entirely different beast to RDR, GTA etc. Grouping them both under white culture is nonsensical.
I'm not gonna say something dumb like white people don't have culture, just that white culture is not a thing. American culture exists, British culture exists, Scandinavian culture exists. But white culture is just a flawed idea imagined by people who either
- See that black culture IS a thing and incorrectly reason that white culture must also be a thing. Yet never reason past the fact that black culture is not extended to African countries yet happily extend their definition of white culture to countries and societies around the world.
- Are making a poor attempt at boosting their ego by trying to take credit for the achievements of people who are literally worlds apart from them culturally, moreso than many non-white people, but latch onto the fact that they have *roughly* the same skin color.
I'm Indian and the thought of "brown culture" just seems so incredibly dumb to me that I'm amazed so many white people happily believe in 'white culture'. Like shit I'm not gonna sit here and try associate myself with the people responsible for the development of Islamic philosophy or their incredible contributions to mathematics and science just because we're both brown. That shit's retarded.
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Probably Argentina actually.
European culture is white culture.
Europeans don't separate themselves quite like you do personally anymore. That's why there's a European Union and heavy admixture in the Americas and Oceania. Deal with it.
If you think that's "retarded" then too bad. Really, this isn't rocket science. I don't care if you feel it's okay to not feel close to your neighbours because you're Indian and they're not. European peoples often do. Hence why you're defined as "Asian" by many a Western census.
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European culture isn't a thing. A culture is the historical aggregate of achievements produced by particular values, behaviors and lifestyles endemic to a particular society. Polish people, French people, British people, German people, and all other various independent white societies in Europe do not share a similar enough common ground in terms of values, behaviors and lifestyles for their culture to be considered singular. This is really, really obvious to anyone who's actually been exposed to these various cultures either through education or direct participation.
I used retard in saying that the idea of "brown culture" is retarded, because it really is. Like it really, obviously is. Just like the idea of white culture. Nice edit, the European Union bruh? Really? It's a political body. The entire foundation of the EU involves having representatives from different countries able to participate and influence because they do not share the same political, and hence cultural, values. Next you'll say really that human culture is a thing coz the UN exists.
Hollywood Duo, I feel the need of answering several of your posts on this thread, because it seems to me you're somewhat clueless on this topic.
I find it interesting that you consider Irish and Italians white but not Spaniards and Portuguese, I wonder what metric you're using. Something in the back of my mind suggests me that you (as many Americans) are conflating Iberians and Latin Americans. In Europe Spaniards and Portuguese have always been considered white/European.
Furthermore, physically there are not that many differences from Spaniards and Italians.
Again, something tells me you haven't met many Spaniards or Portuguese (or you're counting your encounters with Latin Americans - who most are mixed race - as Spanish or Portuguese).
"Hispanic" is not a racial classificator and it only refers to people who either speak Spanish natively or have a cultural link with Hispania (more specifically Spain, but Portugal is sometimes included), regardless of actual race. A white Argentinean is Hispanic and so is a black Dominican.
There is no perspective at all in which Spaniards and Portuguese can be considered Arabic, unless you're basing yourself in some 19th century racial pseudo-science. Iberians do not descend from Arabic people (and those who do are an insignificant part of the population, as most moriscos - Spanish Muslims who decided to stay after the Reconquista - were forcefully expelled from Spain) and Iberians do not speak Arabic. They are not considered Arabic in Europe and nowhere in the world, not even by the ridiculous system of racial classification used in the US.
What I infer from this is that you seem to be implying (and tell me if I'm wrong) that only Germanic/Nordic people are white. All those groups are not identical and have many different physical (and cultural of course) features. And "white" is of course an artificial construction, but in all its traditional (and also artificial) interpretations it always includes all the peoples from Europe, not only Nordic/Germanic people. A common and recurrent issue I've found with many white Americans, is that, for some ignorant or historical racist reason no doubt, they see Germanic/Nordic look as the "default" for white people, and the less you look like a Germanic person, the less white you are. That's never been in case elsewhere in the world, especially not in Europe.
Tell me then, what is a Basque person then according to you? Even if we stay in your context, I'm sure if you go tell the Basque-Americans in Idaho that they are not white they will all be very much surprised.
I find it interesting that you consider Irish and Italians white but not Spaniards and Portuguese, I wonder what metric you're using. Something in the back of my mind suggests me that you (as many Americans) are conflating Iberians and Latin Americans. In Europe Spaniards and Portuguese have always been considered white/European.
Furthermore, physically there are not that many differences from Spaniards and Italians.
Again, something tells me you haven't met many Spaniards or Portuguese (or you're counting your encounters with Latin Americans - who most are mixed race - as Spanish or Portuguese).
"Hispanic" is not a racial classificator and it only refers to people who either speak Spanish natively or have a cultural link with Hispania (more specifically Spain, but Portugal is sometimes included), regardless of actual race. A white Argentinean is Hispanic and so is a black Dominican.
There is no perspective at all in which Spaniards and Portuguese can be considered Arabic, unless you're basing yourself in some 19th century racial pseudo-science. Iberians do not descend from Arabic people (and those who do are an insignificant part of the population, as most moriscos - Spanish Muslims who decided to stay after the Reconquista - were forcefully expelled from Spain) and Iberians do not speak Arabic. They are not considered Arabic in Europe and nowhere in the world, not even by the ridiculous system of racial classification used in the US.
What I infer from this is that you seem to be implying (and tell me if I'm wrong) that only Germanic/Nordic people are white. All those groups are not identical and have many different physical (and cultural of course) features. And "white" is of course an artificial construction, but in all its traditional (and also artificial) interpretations it always includes all the peoples from Europe, not only Nordic/Germanic people. A common and recurrent issue I've found with many white Americans, is that, for some ignorant or historical racist reason no doubt, they see Germanic/Nordic look as the "default" for white people, and the less you look like a Germanic person, the less white you are. That's never been in case elsewhere in the world, especially not in Europe.
Tell me then, what is a Basque person then according to you? Even if we stay in your context, I'm sure if you go tell the Basque-Americans in Idaho that they are not white they will all be very much surprised.
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Nah. Culture can be a collection of individual cultures. I don't particularly care what you feel connected to. Both white and black people feel this way in the Americas, and to a lesser extend in Europe and that is partially how the EU is able to exist. Doesn't matter what you think, or into it what you read, it's common to cluster the groups together. Your opinion won't change cultural norms. Most ethnic Europeans don't care quite as strongly as you do. Western civilisation is a fucking thing.
If you continue to use words like "retard", you won't last long either, kid.
eqqsquizitine
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Again you only cluster as far as it's logical to cluster, in that the culture actually is similar. Honestly it's mind boggling how you can think it's valid that Scandinavian culture and American culture can be validly put under the same umbrella of white culture when any cursory knowledge of the two would have you know they're diametrically opposite in certain respects.
Also nice attempt at trying to feel like the alpha male coz you can't adequately back up your arguments with logic, "kid".
TBiddy
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It is, yes. But you can't just take "Europe" and lump it to together into "white culture". Unless you've never been to Europe (or travelled inside Europe), you'd know that there's a big difference in how people live and act in Scandinavia, Spain, Italy, Hungary and what have you.
Calling people "kid" is just silly, by the way.
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I'm white and generally dislike the ones from my hometown. So I don't think it's so cute and dry. It's easier to consider culture in its truth. Location based on an area based by size and influence. Such as states, regions and cities.
Other than that its likely going to be wrong to judge a large group, the more things you compare the more differences will come even though they will have more similarities as well as the regional areas get closer.
So when your saying white, it's going to be quite the range in both categories.
Other than that its likely going to be wrong to judge a large group, the more things you compare the more differences will come even though they will have more similarities as well as the regional areas get closer.
So when your saying white, it's going to be quite the range in both categories.
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Western civilisation is a thing, kid. There are cultures within that culture, but if you're saying "white", then you mean of European origin. It's a cluster, kiddo.
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Of course, but if you type "white" you mean a cluster of groups. I don't generally identify as belonging to "white" or a general Europe myself in most contexts, but he's acting like a child if he can't see the logic in "okay, you want 'white' culture, well here are a bunch of things made by disparate peoples with a close geographical connection to each other."
If he can't understand common sense, and he proceeds to use words like "retard" in a prejorative sense, then I feel justified in treating him like a child, or someone of lesser intellect himself. That's just fair play, and I shall leave it at that.
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