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Getting fired. I'm livid pissed. Help me GAF.

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Here's the set up: I work for a wireless retailer. Not a corporate retailer but for what turns out is a shady as fuck franchise dealer. Work week starts on Monday. I never received my work schedule (boss usually texts it on Saturday which only gives 2 days notice which is bullshit) today. I worked today and once I got off I sent my boss a text asking why I hadn't gotten texted a schedule. I called and there wasn't an answer. Eventually I had to have my co-worker find out what was going on. He called my boss and didn't get an answer. He called the bosses brother who said that I'm "on call" for this coming week and that they forgot to mention anything.

I send my boss an email asking for clarification on what "on call" means. I get an email back saying "you're not on the schedule. I'll tell you tomorrow if you still work here."

Eventually my co-worker gets ahold of my actual boss who says I'm getting let go because of some mistakes that occured in early July. The boss just neglected to say anything. I'm already pretty pissed. You tell me if you think I have a right to be, I wrote this thing up and I'm about to send it to the District Manager. First I want you guys to read it. Names redacted.

Notes: RMS is the system we use to process most transactions.

I had some instances of upgrading customers who were not eligible for upgrade. These were indeed mistakes I made and I have no problem accepting responsibility where appropriate. However, I feel the situation calls for me to say a few words in my defense.
I started work at ____on June 16th. The supposed mistakes took place in early July. Approximately 2-3 weeks into my employment. In that 2-3 weeks I was receiving training on all of the systems and operational procedures throughout the store. I underwent a couple days of training at the (outside) location (where I witnessed a fair amount of fraud) which, while helpful, was not particularly illuminating w/ regards to learning RMS. For the most part it was Jane, Dick, and Pooh Bear's responsibility to train me on RMS. Before I continue I want to let you know that Pooh Bear is the single greatest asset the ____ location has and that you're lucky to have him. He was an invaluable resource to me as a wellspring of information and positive work practices, all of which helped in my becoming a more effective sales person.

Nevertheless, at the time these mistakes were made NOBODY at _____ was even remotely proficient in RMS. In early July EVERYONE made mistakes which resulted in buybacks. Jane, Dick, and Pooh Bear. Again, Pooh Bear was the best resource by far and he knew more than anyone else by a country mile, but he'd still not yet received his in class training during this period. The simple fact is this: RMS was confusing EVERYBODY. Is it surprising mistakes were made when you take these facts into consideration? By receiving my training from those not yet fully familiar with the system being taught was I being set up for failure or success?

During my time with Jane and Dick I was taught perhaps the worst possible practices w/ regards to helping customers. One incident had Dick trying to teach me how to do a device swap in RMS. All the customer asked was to activate an inactive phone on a line where they had accidentally broken their old one. Dick told the customer he would need to change his plan and that he would be charged an additional $15 fee to join Shit Plan since he was still under contract on Shittier Plan. Remember this was a device swap, not a new activation and not an upgrade. There should be no cause for changing the customers plan. Dick made a mistake in processing the transaction and rather than try to retrace his steps and correct his mistake (or call Artard Service Center for help) he let the customer leave with the impression that we were trying to squeeze more money out of him. This is how I'm supposed to learn how to do a device swap?

While Jane was trying to teach me how to do an iPhone 5S upgrade using the free iPhone promotion it took her several hours (while the customer waited) and repeat calls to Artard Service Center and others before she could complete the transaction. All because she did not know how to apply the promotion in RMS. How is this helpful in teaching me proper RMS usage?

While I was engaged in a sales pitch with a customer regarding a Lifeproof case a customer was about to settle on their second choice of color (due to our not stocking the color they wanted). Dick jumped into the conversation and insisted we could order said color. He proceeded to have the customer pay for the case up front and told her we'd call back once it came in. Well as it turns out the color the customer wanted doesn't exist. After putting off calling the customer back and owning up to the mistake, the customer came back in and was hassled when she asked for her money back. She left (rightfully) upset.
Then you have Dick's cousin at (the outside store where I did two days of training) promising to put customers on Ford discounts they aren't actually entitled to.
Customers who would enter the store and speak to Dick and Jane would leave angry or confused 90% of the time. Customers who would enter the store and speak to Pooh Bear or I would leave happy +85% of the time. Myself and Pooh Bear saw it as our personal responsibility to ensure that customers who WERE upset felt we had tried our very hardest to help resolve their issue. They might have left upset, but they did so knowing we cared about resolving their issue and that we tried our best. I feel personally responsible for the image I portray to my customers. I can't tell you how frustrated I was watching Dick and Jane rapidly flush down the toilet all the good will customers had towards our location up to that point.
I digress. If I'd made these mistakes last week surely I should bear a much greater burden of responsibility as I'd have had much more time to become acclimated to RMS. As it happens these mistakes were made ~2 weeks into my employment in one of the most toxic work environments I've ever been exposed to. During my first week working here Jane took me aside and told me I shouldn't trust you, that you would promise me things and try to turn me against them. She told me how all the employees who quit all at the same time prior to my employment were bad employees who had it out for Dick and Her. This is about as a big red flag as I've ever seen.

If I'm fired with cause, and mistakes I made in my first couple weeks of employment are that cause, I ask you take what I've said here into consideration. This "cause" is dubious at best and I think most reasonable people would agree. Being fired with cause will make it so I'm unable to file for unemployment while I seek other opportunities. If Dick/Jane want to let me go it's their right, I wouldn't want to continue working with them anyway. I just want to set the record straight and make sure my point of view is represented.

Mickey Mouse, you and I haven't really spoken much and I know you have little reason to really care about all this. So I really want to thank you once again for the opportunity and hope I didn't just kill you with my enormous wall of text email. I appreciate your time and wish you and Pooh Bear the best. I'll leave you with this; Pooh Bear was a rock star. If I hadn't had him to fall back on I probably would have quit after my first week. He's a great guy and I hope he goes far because he deserves it.
Thanks a ton.
 
I doubt anyone would ever read all of that. In fact, I doubt anyone would read past this:

I had some instances of upgrading customers who were not eligible for upgrade. These were indeed mistakes I made and I have no problem accepting responsibility where appropriate.

Assuming the district manager has any level of trust in the competence of your boss, I'd say you need to keep this much more brief and take out the admission of guilt in the first sentence.
 
Parts of your letter seem like you are passive aggressively getting back at some of the workers. If you want to get that off your chest that's fine, I just wouldn't expect a call back for a re-hire.
 
At will employment. Where they don't need a good reason to fire you.

And if they don't need a good reason to fire you, the reason that they have for firing you doesn't need to make any sense - to you or even themselves.
 
Letter is overly long and the use of caps is unprofessional.

That said, its pretty shitty, and its shitty than your boss didn't even give you a straight up answer.
 
Scorched earth policy? Niiice.

Sending that won't keep your job by the way, way too aggressive and shows this "shady" boss you will throw people under the bus at the drop of a needle.
 
tl;dr

I'm getting fired for mistakes I made two weeks into my employment. My trainers themselves knew fuck all about the system they were training me on. They in fact, were shadowing me during most of these transactions and did not catch the mistakes while watching. They also made the same mistakes themselves while processing their own transactions. I just happened to have the most mistakes.

Mistake = upgrading ineligible customers. This = store loses money.

How much am I at fault? If I get fired with cause and I'm not eligible for unemployment do I have a leg to stand on in my defense?
 
tl;dr

I'm getting fired for mistakes I made two weeks into my employment. My trainers themselves knew fuck all about the system they were training me on. They in fact, were shadowing me during most of these transactions and did not catch the mistakes while watching. They also made the same mistakes themselves while processing their own transactions. I just happened to have the most mistakes.

Mistake = upgrading ineligible customers. This = store loses money.

How much am I at fault? If I get fired with cause and I'm not eligible for unemployment do I have a leg to stand on in my defense?
You might have a leg to stand on, but can you afford a lawyer?
 
"i'll tell you tomorrow if you still work here"

lol fuck

yeah, better business should solve all that
 
Don't throw your shitty co-workers under the bus. It sounds like they deserve to be on this sinking ship.
 
Unfortunately, they're not going to care about your long letter. Sorry, it's best to move on.

Yeah, make sure you still have a semi-decent reference, and go find something else ASAP. Doesn't sound like a great place to work for anyway. Sorry OP.
 
Assuming the district manager has any level of trust in the competence of your boss

He does not. I know this for a fact. The current operators are very close to losing the store for a number of reasons. I've heard/overheard these things directly from the district manager/owner of the company.

I only work with three other people. Good guy and the two operators who are husband and wife.
 
That email is incredibly unprofessional, and will do absolutely nothing but make you look childish and potentially net you a few enemies.

Take the L.
 
tl;dr

I'm getting fired for mistakes I made two weeks into my employment. My trainers themselves knew fuck all about the system they were training me on. They in fact, were shadowing me during most of these transactions and did not catch the mistakes while watching. They also made the same mistakes themselves while processing their own transactions. I just happened to have the most mistakes.

Mistake = upgrading ineligible customers. This = store loses money.

How much am I at fault? If I get fired with cause and I'm not eligible for unemployment do I have a leg to stand on in my defense?

Dude it's just time to move on. Whether it was your fault or not you're getting canned. You can certainly apply for unemployment but they will most likely appeal your decision. Shit sucks but it happens. Try to find a better job this time around with at least better people.
 
Send it if you want, but it probably won't change anything. People say a lot of stuff when they're pissed, and your boss will probably dismiss this because of that.

Sucks though. Hope you find a better job.
 
I'm not throwing co-workers under the bus. The only person I work with who isn't a manager is Pooh Bear whom I have nothing but good things to say. The other two are the operators/managers.

I started working here on June 16th. Incidents occurred during the first week of July. I was let go from my previous job when it closed and was paid severance.
 
It's difficult to revert management's decision once it's been made, having said that, I think you have grounds to be frustrated with how things had been handled. If there are any rooms for face-to-face communication with Mickey Mouse, I'd suggest that instead of that big email. Keep the topics simple and avoid finger-pointing at others (even if they really do suck).

If they are determined to let you go, the best thing would be to attain Mutual Separation instead of being Fired.

Sorry to hear that this had happened to you, Miney :( What an awful induction / company !
 
Dude it's just time to move on. Whether it was your fault or not you're getting canned. You can certainly apply for unemployment but they will most likely appeal your decision. Shit sucks but it happens. Try to find a better job this time around with at least better people.
He hasn't worked there long enough to get unemployment.
 
Indirect Retailers are difficult to work with, and I wouldn't bother. I've worked for both Corporate & Indirect, and considering that you just barely have a schedule in place and no formal procedures or processes for anything (which is rare to begin with in indirect except for only the largest of owners), I doubt anything you speak about will result in a reconsideration if he's already made that decision. Even if he did decide to keep you, the relationship is already tainted.

You should also never admit guilt, regardless if you're writing a letter or talking to the person face to face. You emphasize the point that you did not know how to and/or was unaware of a procedure, and when you reached out for clarification, training, or assistance, you got conflicting answers or no competent answer at all. You don't cut your own throat by immediately admitting you've done something obviously against policy.

Either way, I would take your losses and leave on your own terms. If you do get officially fired, I wouldn't even bother putting something like that on your resume -- considering the short time frame.
 
So what? Are you sending this letter because you think the other two employees should be fired as well?

It seems like you're partially blaming them for your screwups.

But in reality, every story has two sides, and presenting it to your manager is just going to show him a whole bunch of unfiltered anger.

In addition, TYPING YOUR RESPONSE IN CAPS is horribly unprofessional and does nothing to advance a reasoned argument. In fact, it makes it seem even more probable that you're embellishing the situation for your own advantage.

It could very well be that you have mediocre co-workers. But I'd rather see a letter detailing your merits and why it's worth keeping you...instead of pointing fingers and throwing everyone under the bus.
 
I would remove the praise sentence for Pooh Bear in any event. They don't have a high opinion of you (evident by your firing) so the person won't receive any benefit from it and it may even cause the managers to look upon them unfavorably by association.
 
District manager did not make the decision BTW. I doubt he even knows. The DM is a completely outside entity and I know he's not happy with the management at my location because he's said so several times.

Only reason I'd be writing to him is to reclassify my termination and perhaps, if the current ops get shitcanned, being rehired once the current ops are gone. Not likely but you know.

I was on unemployment for like... two weeks before taking this job. Taking this job = went off unemployment. I would want to go back on unemployment as if none of this ever happened. I should have quit after the first day when I found out my hiring was the result of a mass exodus of disgruntled employees.
 
He hasn't worked there long enough to get unemployment.

Yeah didn't see that. Well thats a bummer.

District manager did not make the decision BTW. I doubt he even knows. The DM is a completely outside entity and I know he's not happy with the management at my location because he's said so several times.

Sure, but it isn't a DM's job to reverse decisions made by a store manager and undercut their authority.
 
District manager did not make the decision BTW. I doubt he even knows. The DM is a completely outside entity and I know he's not happy with the management at my location because he's said so several times.

DM's for indirects have no real influence over the inside business practices as far as employee operations and/or HR practices (or lack thereof), they mostly just verify that the metrics and sales stay high and that nothing overtly unethical is occurring. Other than that they're pretty disconnected due to how many stores are typically under their district, but I could be wrong in your case. Probably varies heavily depending on what carrier and state.
 
I say fuck the note.

Its like me writing a long ass note to the manager at Mcdonalds because I cooked the fries too long. No one cares.

I guarantee you no one is going to read all of that. And even if they do, nothing will change.
 
Do you actually want to continue working there? What is your endgoal here?

Reclassify termination so that I don't look like an incompetent fuckwit. Might make it easier for me to apply for unemployment. I was let go from my old job at the beginning of June because of company downsizing. I was only unemployed for two weeks before taking this job.

If the current operators are fired I might go back to work there under different management. I would NOT return to work with the current management in place.

I would remove the praise sentence for Pooh Bear in any event. They don't have a high opinion of you (evident by your firing) so the person won't receive any benefit from it and it may even cause the managers to look upon them unfavorably by association.

Pooh Bear is being fucked almost as hard as I am. He's been a good guy and while he wasn't a perfect trainer, he was better than the two managers. I sent him this for his consideration too and he agrees with everything I said.
 
District manager did not make the decision BTW. I doubt he even knows. The DM is a completely outside entity and I know he's not happy with the management at my location because he's said so several times.

Only reason I'd be writing to him is to reclassify my termination and perhaps, if the current ops get shitcanned, being rehired once the current ops are gone. Not likely but you know.

I was on unemployment for like... two weeks before taking this job. Taking this job = went off unemployment. I would want to go back on unemployment as if none of this ever happened. I should have quit after the first day when I found out my hiring was the result of a mass exodus of disgruntled employees.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. That sux
 
Please don't send that letter, man. It's unprofessional, and documentation of passive aggressiveness.

If you absolutely need to send a letter, send it as if you're applying for the job all over again. Talk about your merits, and how you can add value to the company.

Otherwise, just apply for unemployment and walk away. Time to find another gig.
 
I was on unemployment for like... two weeks before taking this job. Taking this job = went off unemployment. I would want to go back on unemployment as if none of this ever happened. I should have quit after the first day when I found out my hiring was the result of a mass exodus of disgruntled employees.

You can still get unemployment. I quit from an indirect as a multi-unit Store Manager and even though I went to court, I won unemployment. In PA at least, being able to obtain UC is (generally) based on one question: did your terms of employment change after you got hired? If the answer is yes -- meaning that you were told you would manage or work at one location, and then after you get hired you work 20 miles on the other side of the city-- that authorizes you to leave. Any sort of major change gives you the right to leave if it's impacting your ability to work, and not having a consistent schedule, I would assume, falls under that umbrella. You have to compare what they said in the interview and what actually happened day-to-day afterwards.

As I said though, this could all vary by state.
 
If you were on Unemployment already, you should be able to get back on the original claim, as you still have weeks available to be paid to you.

The letter is unprofessional. At most, a letter explaining you were not properly trained at the time and wish to be given another chance would be fine, although I seriously doubt it would change anything. Never throw anybody under the bus as a defense, as it only looks petty, even if it were true.
 
I'm sorry bro, you're going to have to take the loss, back when I was in school I was working part time with a market research company. I got texted a DAY in advance (Sometimes at 9pm for the next day) for my schedule, and I could have easily been replaced, needless to say, I quit as soon as I got my degree.

It's what happens when you're expendable.
 
Didn't read it all, but I know what's its like to be blamed for problems stemming from poor training. I've never been let go, but I know how it feels to work at will employment. I would just move on and look for something better. On call shifts are horseshit and should be illegal. Stringing people along, and requiring a clear schedule with likely no compensation is criminal.
 
tl;dr

I'm getting fired for mistakes I made two weeks into my employment. My trainers themselves knew fuck all about the system they were training me on. They in fact, were shadowing me during most of these transactions and did not catch the mistakes while watching. They also made the same mistakes themselves while processing their own transactions. I just happened to have the most mistakes.

Mistake = upgrading ineligible customers. This = store loses money.

How much am I at fault? If I get fired with cause and I'm not eligible for unemployment do I have a leg to stand on in my defense?

You can try to file for unemployment if you got terminated, then your "former" employee will either have to choose to block it (or not block it which means you can claim unemployment without much delay). If they do decide to contest it, you can make an appeal, which would require you to go make a statement or a hearing as to your side of the story as to why your dismissal from work was not "your fault." Ultimately its up the the State, but its not "impossible" to get unemployment in a case like this, since you were really just "fired" without warning or notice
 
If you file for unemployment and they challenge it, your letter will be the only evidence they need.

Don't admit to making mistakes. It alone will prove that you were fired for cause and you knew that you screwed up.
 
If you file for unemployment and they challenge it, your letter will be the only evidence they need.

Don't admit to making mistakes. It alone will prove that you were fired for cause and you knew that you screwed up.

This. Don't send the letter (destroy it if you can) and make no mention you were aware of the mistakes. Really, you weren't even directly told by your employer you were being fired for mistakes, so it really looks like you're being dismissed out of the blue.
 
You can try to file for unemployment if you got terminated, then your "former" employee will either have to choose to block it (or not block it which means you can claim unemployment without much delay). If they do decide to contest it, you can make an appeal, which would require you to go make a statement or a hearing as to your side of the story as to why your dismissal from work was not "your fault." Ultimately its up the the State, but its not "impossible" to get unemployment in a case like this, since you were really just "fired" without warning or notice

This is actually helpful. Thanks.

What about continuing unemployment from my previous employer?
 
This is actually helpful. Thanks.

What about continuing unemployment from my previous employer?


Your previous employer paid money into the unemployment fund, and you qualified. Whatever number of weeks the agency qualified you for don't disappear just because you were employed(unless the year of application changes). So your previous application should still be valid within a year.
 
This is actually helpful. Thanks.

What about continuing unemployment from my previous employer?

I would recommend filing a new claim...if you try to continue claiming unemployment from the duration of the previous weeks you were eligible for unemployment from a period following your previous employer while "working fpr this wireless carrier job", you could face penalties if you never reported working those hours while working at your "wireless carrier" job. If you try to claim "weeks" from that previous claim, they'll start asking you why haven't you claimed all those weeks until now.
 
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