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[User 73706]

Why are these sexist youtube dislikers only drawn to Ghostbusters as well? Is it part of a global/forum led downvote campaign? Where did it start? Why hasn't it affected the trailers for:

The Keeping Room
Jane got a Gun
Bend it like Beckham (old but the 'for' side used movies just as old earlier)
Charlie's Angels (^)
Lucy
Salt
Haywire
Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Hanna
Divergent
The Hunger Games

Same reason that job-hopping or otherwise networking across various businesses and franchises is seen as a completely normal way of advancing your personal career, but if a woman tries to do it in the game industry, they're "appropriating nerd culture", "being a fake gamer girl", "slept with 30423842309 dudes to get where she is", etc etc.

 

[The Shadow]

I liked it. Sorry if that upsets anyone.

Same, with the exception that I don't give a shit if it upsets anyone.

Look forward to it. Outside of the sexist butt-hurt, I'm sure it'll do just fine.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

They find some new actors to play the original Ghostbusters and the thing would have easily been a commercial success.

Are you fucking kidding me? That would be a worse backlash than the one currently.

I watch the damn trailer and I see the amazing CGI and stuff and all I can think is, I wish Egon and Venkman were the Ghostbusters instead of these women. It's not a sexist thing at all.

Then you shouldn't have to point out the characters genders.

But the Ghostbusters *are* Ray, Egon, Peter and Winston. The entire franchise was built around them as the protagonists and they just happened to be male.

So basically what you're saying is that you'd see this film with new male actors before seeing it with female ones.

But you're not sexist.

Dude

This quote



was literally a response to this image



Come on.

wait seriously

People are trying to explain sexism to Dan Akroyd.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

"Ah, but Bobby, why isn't this virtually unprecedented yet amazingly obvious bullshit happening with other movies? (folds arms) Doesn't that disprove your entire theory?"

No. Hence the unprecedented bit.

Again, this is the key question that anyone even trying to come at me on this needs to answer for themselves. I don't need to hear the answer, you don't have to post it, you just have to consider it and then answer it for yourself:

What is in it for people to argue against the presence of sexism/misogyny as a major factor in the disproportionate response to this film's meager (and disappointing) marketing thus far? What is the benefit to acting as if something very obviously present isn't there?

Do you guys honestly believe if you pretend it's not a major factor, your dislike of the trailer for meritorious reasons will be taken more seriously?

There is nothing about this readily observable reality that threatens you, your merit-based opinion, or your dislike of the film's marketing. It doesn't threaten me. Doesn't minimize my honest opinion of the film's marketing. I can somehow, some way, simultaneously acknowledge how ridiculous that dislike bar looks, recognize why it looks that way, and still manage to hold a negative opinion of the trailer for reasons that have nothing to do with sexism.

I have confidence, and am secure enough, in my own opinion that I don't feel the need to pretend a very obvious phenomena isn't occuring.

It's not that hard, either! It really isn't. My response to the potentiality of virulent sexists holding the same opinion I do isn't to reflexively diminish the impact and presence of virulent sexists, or gaslight people who see what they're seeing into believing they're the ones being irrational and over-emotional.

Because there is nothing in it for me to do that.

Zero.

 

[Scientist Supreme!]

Holy quantum locked sexism, Batman.

This is perfect.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

"Ah, but Bobby, why isn't this virtually unprecedented yet amazingly obvious bullshit happening with other movies? (folds arms) Doesn't that disprove your entire theory?"

No. Hence the unprecedented bit.

Again, this is the key question that anyone even trying to come at me on this needs to answer for themselves. I don't need to hear the answer, you don't have to post it, you just have to consider it and then answer it for yourself:

What is in it for people to argue against the presence of sexism/misogyny as a major factor in the disproportionate response to this film's meager (and disappointing) marketing thus far? What is the benefit to acting as if something very obviously present isn't there?

Do you guys honestly believe if you pretend it's not a major factor, your dislike of the trailer for meritorious reasons will be taken more seriously?

There is nothing about this readily observable reality that threatens you, your merit-based opinion, or your dislike of the film's marketing. It doesn't threaten me. Doesn't minimize my honest opinion of the film's marketing. I can somehow, some way, simultaneously acknowledge how ridiculous that dislike bar looks, recognize why it looks that way, and still manage to hold a negative opinion of the trailer for reasons that have nothing to do with sexism.

I have confidence, and am secure enough, in my own opinion that I don't feel the need to pretend a very obvious phenomena isn't occuring.

It's not that hard, either! It really isn't. My response to the potentiality of virulent sexists holding the same opinion I do isn't to reflexively diminish the impact and presence of virulent sexists, or gaslight people who see what they're seeing into believing they're the ones being irrational and over-emotional.

Because there is nothing in it for me to do that.

Zero.

*golf claps*

This thread is dangerously close to holding the mentality of a gamergate thread.

 

[Acerac]

"Ah, but Bobby, why isn't this virtually unprecedented yet amazingly obvious bullshit happening with other movies? (folds arms) Doesn't that disprove your entire theory?"

No. Hence the unprecedented bit.

Again, this is the key question that anyone even trying to come at me on this needs to answer for themselves. I don't need to hear the answer, you don't have to post it, you just have to consider it and then answer it for yourself:

What is in it for people to argue against the presence of sexism/misogyny as a major factor in the disproportionate response to this film's meager (and disappointing) marketing thus far? What is the benefit to acting as if something very obviously present isn't there?

Do you guys honestly believe if you pretend it's not a major factor, your dislike of the trailer for meritorious reasons will be taken more seriously?

There is nothing about this readily observable reality that threatens you, your merit-based opinion, or your dislike of the film's marketing. It doesn't threaten me. Doesn't minimize my honest opinion of the film's marketing. I can somehow, some way, simultaneously acknowledge how ridiculous that dislike bar looks, recognize why it looks that way, and still manage to hold a negative opinion of the trailer for reasons that have nothing to do with sexism.

I have confidence, and am secure enough, in my own opinion that I don't feel the need to pretend a very obvious phenomena isn't occuring.

It's not that hard, either! It really isn't. My response to the potentiality of virulent sexists holding the same opinion I do isn't to reflexively diminish the impact and presence of virulent sexists, or gaslight people who see what they're seeing into believing they're the ones being irrational and over-emotional.

Because there is nothing in it for me to do that.

Zero.

Wonderful post, though it is a bit ridiculous that it needed to be broken down to this degree.

 

[G-Fex]

"I'm not sexist but...."

 

[Nekofrog]

what i don't get is that in the past couple years, after seeing the gamergate phenomenon that literally targetted women soley for real life abuse and harassment on a scale and length never seen before by a nerd culture, people are dismissing or minimizing the possibility that the exact same thing can be happening here with the youtube trailer when we know for a fact that way before anything regarding the movie ever came out except that it would star 4 women, people were already shitting on it soley for that fact and that fact alone

that has pretty much shaped the narrative of a rejection of the movie going forward. it was based on sexism.

 

[MHWilliams]

Given the unprecedented number of dislikes on the trailer. The fact that when this article was written three days ago, there was 507,610 dislikes and now there are 640,767. The fact that, as Hollywood Reporter points out, the Facebook version of the trailer has 1,186,569 positive reactions (like, love, haha and wow) and 32,589 negative reactions (sad, angry). A film that 95% of people want to see on RT. A film that was on top of Fandango's survey of most anticipated summer films.

Your contention is that this is the worst trailer for the worst reboot of the most loved movie property ever. Because that's what it takes to get this many dislikes. This is why Bobby points out the unprecedented nature. Even if you say 60-80 percent of the hate is organic, then you're still talking about the most hated film ever by YouTube's metrics.

None of this has any bearing on the quality of the film itself. It could be dogshit, but you do yourself a disservice by not acknowledge the complete and total anomaly the YouTube dislikes for this trailer represents.

Whereas, what we are saying is that in a world of concentrated campaigns like Gamergate and Sad Puppies, Ghostbusters has been targeted by a similar campaign. People who's livelihood is film reporting have largely backed up the original Screencrush article because to suggest otherwise makes no sense given the metrics we have available. None. The reason behind that campaign? You can hazard a different guesses for that, but "It's Ghostbusters" is not what covers it.

 

[Count Dookkake]

The staggering number of new dislikes since the article may be coming from folks who want to be a part of history.

 

[jet1911]

Given the unprecedented number of dislikes on the trailer. The fact that when this article was written three days ago, there was 507,610 dislikes and now there are 640,767. The fact that, as Hollywood Reporter points out, the Facebook version of the trailer has 1,186,569 positive reactions (like, love, haha and wow) and 32,589 negative reactions (sad, angry). A film that 95% of people want to see on RT. A film that was on top of Fandango's survey of most anticipated summer films.

Your contention is that this is the worst trailer for the worst reboot of the most loved movie property ever. Because that's what it takes to get this many dislikes. This is why Bobby points out the unprecedented nature. Even if you say 60-80 percent of the hate is organic, then you're still talking about the most hate film ever by YouTube's metrics.

None of this has any bearing on the quality of the film itself. It could be dogshit, but you do yourself a disservice by not acknowledge the complete and total anomaly the YouTube dislikes for this trailer represents.

Whereas, what we are saying is that in a world of concentrated campaigns like Gamergate and Sad Puppies, Ghostbusters has been targeted by a similar campaign. People who's livelihood is film reporting have largely backed up the original Screencrush article because to suggest otherwise makes no sense given the metrics we have available. None. The reason behind that campaign? You can hazard a different guesses for that, but "It's Ghostbusters" is not what covers it.

It's about ethics in videogames journalism isn't it?

 

[ATXAlchemy]

I'm watching this. Will probably my third movie this year (gonna go watch Civil War) since I somehow missed Zootopia. T__T

 

[Agent Gibbs]

What is in it for people to argue against the presence of sexism/misogyny as a major factor in the disproportionate response to this film's meager (and disappointing) marketing thus far? What is the benefit to acting as if something very obviously present isn't there?

Most people who have taken issue and are debating the matter are doing so over how 'major' a factor people consider it to be, some insinuate its the vast majority, others seem to think its half of that figure around 50%, the debate is over that and the actual break down.

Personally I could see it being as high as 30% sexist asshats and 30% rabid unhappy fanboys - the two types who would have down voted no matter what and that is a major problem with the dislikes.

Has anyone been on 4chan? is there no evidence of them riling up a hate campaign 'for the lulz'? this almost stinks of that level of blind herd mentality of 'hurr durr lets ruin this for fun'

Do you guys honestly believe if you pretend it's not a major factor, your dislike of the trailer for meritorious reasons will be taken more seriously?

As I've tried and poorly said, my personal feeling is that if people are insinuating that the vast majority of dislikes are down to sexism, then that is by on large insinuating that the vast majority of people who disliked the trailer were sexist and the impression from quite a lot of the shit posts in here is that people who dislike the movie are really saying 'I'm not sexist but' which garners an automatic distrust and now we've had parallel's to Gamergate as a means to shut down and dismiss any debate on this.

that I find personally distasteful, the shit posts, the passive aggressive 'I'm going to see this just to stick it to the X Y Z" mentatlity, and yes a part of me feels a little tarred with that same brush because I disliked the trailer.

I have confidence, and am secure enough, in my own opinion that I don't feel the need to pretend a very obvious phenomena isn't occuring.

No this is certainly an unprecedented phenomena, but from a personal stand point (an opinion I'm secure enough in feeling) is that I don't think its one major factor, its a couple of major factors - sexism, fanboyism, hatred of reboots, hatred of McCarthy and those combined are forming a perfect shitstorm for this movie.

It's not that hard, either! It really isn't. My response to the potentiality of virulent sexists holding the same opinion I do isn't to reflexively diminish the impact and presence of virulent sexists, or gaslight people who see what they're seeing into believing they're the ones being irrational and over-emotional.

Because there is nothing in it for me to do that.

Zero.

No its plain to see with you it is not, you are debating this rationally and sensibly, and taking the time to explain your personal stance - that's why I try to do, but perhaps in a less eloquent way. The problem I have seen, mainly across message social media (surprisingly where there no anonymity), but also from some defensive posters on Gaf, is they automatically work from the position that if you dislike it you are coming from a sexist viewpoint and thus have an uphill struggle if you want to alter that opinion

I'm exactly sure what they gain from that, perhaps its just an ultra pessimistic view point and that they only gain when you change their view point? its hard to guess the attitudes and motives of such a person.

TLR - I'm personally not disagreeing with your stance, I generally agree and respect your view point. For me its more semantics, I hate generalisations, there is a huge problem with sexism, how huge is debatable, but there are other issues at play and some people across the internet should not dismiss the dislike out of hand as fanboyism or sexism - looking at Paul Feig really on all fronts

EDIT 2: Sorry for the long post

 

[vinnygambini]

New TV Spot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCDlqVF170E

 

[backflip10019]

New TV Spot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCDlqVF170E

Wow, they're really pushing the CG stuff eh.

 

[kunonabi]

Wow, they're really pushing the CG stuff eh.

Considering how the trailer comes to a screeching halt once it shifts from action to comedy that probably isn't a bad idea.

 

[starchild excalibur]

New TV Spot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCDlqVF170E

There are a few new TV spots:

this (already posted)

that

here

there

It seems like they're utilizing the original music much more liberally in these spots. As spots go, they're mostly just re-cuts of what's already been shown in trailers though. I don't think any of them are as strong as that one UK trailer everyone (well, a lot at least) seemed to like.

At this point I've relegated it to being a film that probably won't have the best campaign even though I'm still looking forward to catching it next month.