Exactly, I mean one of his earliest most popular videos is the horrible, aggravating Ghostbusters NES game. But nooooooope, THIS movie is piece of media that tarnishes his beloved "franchise" and refuses to participate in it.
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Exactly, I mean one of his earliest most popular videos is the horrible, aggravating Ghostbusters NES game. But nooooooope, THIS movie is piece of media that tarnishes his beloved "franchise" and refuses to participate in it.
I suppose because James is the biggest name to speak out against the movie like this, who isn't already incredibly transparent about his motives. We could dissect the videos made by known gamergaters but we already know why they hate the movie so there's no real point in giving them attention. That and there's more of a debate to be had about James's video and where it is on the line between sexism and just hating shitty looking reboots.
Professor Beef
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Bobby Roberts
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It's not subtext. It's text.
PepsimanVsJoe
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How so?
James Rolfe didn't make *his name* reviewing media he hates. That was the Angry Video Game Nerd's shtick.
James Rolfe has reviewed hundreds of movies sure, but it was more along the lines of "here's the movie and these are thoughts on it" rather than have skits and do the whole "I'm angry and fuck this piece of shit movie" routine.
Moreover, in the video he mentioned his disappointment that Ghostbusters 2016 isn't going to be the Ghostbusters 3 that was in development hell since forever ago. He's also planning to do another video that talks about what happened to GB3.
The message (and especially the title) of James' video is a bit messy, but this isn't a one-and-done affair made solely to shit on GB2016.
To a mindreader, sure. But I am a mere mortal.
Jawmuncher
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Only wanted to add that from the title's you posted, none of them ever had the fanbase which ghostbusters have. That has to be one of the most diehard fanbases I have ever seen especially for people who were basically getting nothing for years but comics, rereleases, games and some toys. All spaced out quite a bit.
Not here to argue any points or what that article was about. Just wanted to add that piece.
starchild excalibur
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I hope the Channing Tatum-verse Ghostbusters movie still comes out because I would love to see how vastly different the reactions to it would be in the year leading up to it than have been for this. Rewatching GB1 for the first time in some years yesterday, I was just blown away that this was the film that was prompting such negativity about its reboot online.
You have cases of Robocop where a good director wasn't properly supported by his studio, Transformers which wantonly assumes all the fans of the cartoons are horny ADD-addled 13 year olds, the first TMNT which was tonally inconsistent to say the least, and then a Ghostbusters remake being done by a talented director, written by a talented writer, being performed by talented actors, and is brimming with enthusiasm behind the scenes and it still nets this reaction.
The only film remake I could see myself being this crazy about would be if they decided to remake The Warriors. And even then I'd fully acknowledge that my apprehension of its remake is rooted in my emotional bond with the original and not because The Warriors as a film is some excellent piece of cinema.
I dunno. I feel like Transformers and Turtles' fanbases are about equal to Ghostbuster's.
You have cases of Robocop where a good director wasn't properly supported by his studio, Transformers which wantonly assumes all the fans of the cartoons are horny ADD-addled 13 year olds, the first TMNT which was tonally inconsistent to say the least, and then a Ghostbusters remake being done by a talented director, written by a talented writer, being performed by talented actors, and is brimming with enthusiasm behind the scenes and it still nets this reaction.
The only film remake I could see myself being this crazy about would be if they decided to remake The Warriors. And even then I'd fully acknowledge that my apprehension of its remake is rooted in my emotional bond with the original and not because The Warriors as a film is some excellent piece of cinema.
I dunno. I feel like Transformers and Turtles' fanbases are about equal to Ghostbuster's.
Excuse me. No. Stop it.
Not liking a movie trailer does not make you or anyone else inherently sexist. The point that others and I are stressing are why is that this THIS movie specifically has garnered so much anger from some in the gaming community and others on the internet?
Why did every other reboot over the past several years, like Total Recall, Conan The Barbarian, Mad Max: Fury Road, Robocop, etc not generate a dislike campaign on YouTube for its trailers? Why do people like James feel the need openly state that they refuse to review THIS movie specifically?
Perhaps James thought this trailer was worse than all of those. Perhaps he feels more strongly about Ghostbusters. It is his #4 movie of all time. It's really dumb to assume sexism.
Now I have to get back to work so I have to end this for now.
This is a great post, Bobby. Thanks for writing it.
Arguing about with people about this topic is exhausting.
Facepalms.
That is his joke character he's doing for comedy. His thoughts in Ghostbusters trailer are real James.
Jawmuncher
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I was just going based off the certain one listed there. I would agree that those fanbases are equal to if not bigger than ghostbusters.
vainglorious
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Honestly.
When his complaints amount to, "This movie is not representative of the franchise I grew up with and love" "It angers me that kids today won't get to experience the Ghostbusters I did" "Hollywood is disrespecting the Ghostbusters fan base and community with this reboot".
When the fundamental, discernible difference between the reboot and original are the cast members and gags shown in the trailer. So the next logical step for him is to state that he REFUSES to review this film, when no other reboot has yet garnered this same type of response from him?
What the fuck else is anyone supposed to think?
starchild excalibur
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Yeah, fair enough - the guy you quoted didn't mention those two specifically.
DeathoftheEndless
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Reviewing trailers is fine. If that's all he did, it wouldn't be that big of a deal. But the title and content of the video are specifically about him being so offended by the movie, that he refuses to review it as a matter of principle. When you make a statement like that as a critic, you better be able to back it up with solid reasoning or you'll face criticism.
Bobby Roberts
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Are you really going to argue that the character the man created is a completely separate and distinct real-world entity with no ties back to its creator whatsoever?
C'mon man.
Looking back at childhood entertainment and getting angry about how bad they are from a modern perspective is the entire reason anyone here knows who he is.
This is pretty funny. It's not even his favorite! It's NUMBER FOUR!
Audioboxer
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Pretty much. People seem to be using this movie as a catalyst for whatever agenda they want and seemingly forgetting... it's a movie. If someone wants to say it looks like it will suck, renting only, or even not watching at all due to an overly fond attachment to the originals... so what? Happens with other movies and reboots and will continue to happen long after this is finally out and all the bickering can't continue.
It's a movie, people are paid for the work and consumers either pay to consume or ignore. Made for entertainment and therefore subject to all the same criticisms, jokes and mockery other entertainment is. As well as praise, excitement and laughs. That is really the most sensible way to look at it. Not attach your persona and agenda and think it's something it is not. Since once it's out you'll be off looking for the next movie to stamp your statements on... Instead of just enjoying and/or bashing movies like everyone else.
Bobby Roberts
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Audioboxer
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I just think it's rather perplexing anyone wants to be victim or call others victims over a movie, or try and write a thesis on human psychology. It's not a political statement or a political action, just a movie.
Shitty people with shitty ways of thinking exist, and the sirens going off around this movie are causing so much crossfire it is such a toxic environment to even try and treat it for what it is. A movie.
I said it above if someone has an opinion this movie looks like it will suck, or confirms their opinion it sucks after launch due to an attachment to the originals, so what? Happens with many reboots. Terminator, Star Wars, Jurassic Park and the lists go on.
Salty Rice
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James Rolfe can do what he wants.
He is just so disappointed like many other people that Ghostbusters 3 evolved into this terrible SNL skit.
Even if he reviews shitty movies this one just hurts the soul since he is such a big fan.
All the outcry about his video makes me sympathize with him even more.
He is just so disappointed like many other people that Ghostbusters 3 evolved into this terrible SNL skit.
Even if he reviews shitty movies this one just hurts the soul since he is such a big fan.
All the outcry about his video makes me sympathize with him even more.
plagiarize
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Right.
Episode 7 is a cash grab.
It doesn't mean it can't also be a good movie though... but Disney didn't have altruistic reasons for buying the Star Wars franchise and trying to turn it into their next Marvel Cinematic Universe.
The only difference between the hypothetical Ghostbusters 3 and this remake in terms of why the studio would make them, is who they are aimed at.
Did you care if they had a good story to tell with Ghostbusters 3? Sony were going to greenlight it if Murray had signed on whether it did or didn't. The driving force on that project wasn't *we have a great story we want to tell*. It was 'Hey Ghostbusters 3 would probably make loads of money. Let's make another one.'
I stress, it could have been a great story... but when the project comes before the story (and Ghostbusters 3 like Ghostbusters 2 was absolutely such a project) it's always because the studio cynically want to make money.
That doesn't prevent them from putting people that care about the project onto it, or prevent the final movie from being good, whether you remake it or not.
Whenever a remake is announced, people always ask why. I don't. I ask who is signed to the project. Spy and Other Space gave me faith in Paul Feig. He's clearly doing his best to make a good movie, and clearly someone who loves the original movie. Doesn't mean he'll succeed of course... but it wouldn't be any different if Bill Murray had agreed to Ghostbusters 3 a few years back.
The studio greenlights a sequel or a remake it because they think it'll be a safe return of investment.
It's very rare that you get a sequel like Fury Road or Creed, where the story came first.
vainglorious
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But the people with an active agenda are the ones coordinating a dislike campaign on YouTube so that these trailers have become the most disliked trailers in YouTubes history. The criticisms of sexism being levied now are simply a RESPONSE to this agenda.
Really? Because the real james sounds just as his character.
BassForever
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I just find it weird since as a long time fan of James his borderline crazy die hard love of Ghostbusters has been well known along with his desire for a third film and I imagine if the trailers looked somewhat decent - good James would be the first person jumping for joy even if the film wasn't 100% what he wanted. It would have been weirder if James didn't say anything after all these years and it's not like the trailers are getting universal praise minus a few very vocal haters. Even if you remove the people who are confirmed sexist from the pool of reactions the overall reaction is mixed at best based upon the two trailers.
Audioboxer
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Internet trolls and campaigns for stuff like this are sad, but the crossfire is being aimed at many people undeserving. James for one. What may seem irrational hate isn't just cause to just lump people at will into the troll corner (there's a big difference between someone just hating on something and someone being a sexist or unaware sexist or whatever slur you want to aim at them). He at least tried to justify his bias by openly admitting it's due to an attachment rightly or wrongly to the originals. Not just hey guys I down voted because 4chan.
That is where I'm saying both sides are going absolutely insane over... a movie.
Trolling on the internet has its flavours of the week, after this movie is out another will be next. Or they'll move onto a game, or harassing someone on Twitter. Those are the real trolls or potentially sexist/crazed/inhumane people. Once someone has evidence of James being there I might not be as taken aback by this sudden taste of blood for his video.
Bobby Roberts
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Thank you!
Professor Beef
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Technically you could call the original film an "SNL skit" and it would have just as much merit.
Ghostbusters 3 didn't happen because Ghostbusters 2 was a shitty movie and they couldn't get the script for the third film in a place that made everyone happy. I'd rather see a reboot than a depressing third film with the cast phoning it in just for the sake of a sequel.
James Rolfe's comment that Ghostbusters is a beloved "franchise" affirms what Bobby posted because he feels insecure about this new film. Ghostbusters is a great film with a shitty sequel and a lackluster video game.
This reboot could reinvigorate the concept and lead to more films or it could be awful. Either way, preemptively deciding that it's bad ahead of time is a bone-headed move, and it's one he made because he's unable to set aside his bias and insecurity, and give the film a fair chance.
VeryGooster
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I didn't even make it through Rolfe's video because it just felt so unnecessary. I get he has to create content especially since he's proclaimed his love for Ghostbusters in the past, but sheesh.
Reiterated here a few times but honestly, this whole thing just shows that people pick the dumbest hills to die on.
Reiterated here a few times but honestly, this whole thing just shows that people pick the dumbest hills to die on.
The forced narrative that that people who have a problem with this movie must be "angry insecure boys" is also an agenda. It might not be actively harmful like the rampant sexism stuff, but it's still annoying to see it keep being denied as though the people who continue to push it don't know exactly what they're doing.
kunonabi
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It's possible that this movie is just the tipping point. He might finally be tired of these remakes or maybe Ghostbusters just means that much to him. I used to give all these reboots/remakes/reimaginings a shot but once the trailer for the Nightmare Elm Street remake hit I just stopped. It wasn't worth paying for something I knew was going to be bad. Doesn't mean I won't see any remake but the ones that look like crap just aren't worth my time and money anymore.
As for James maybe he is just sexist but he just had a daughter and most new fathers I know typically like to find movies that they can use to connect with thier daughters. A good all-female Ghostbusters movie would seem like perfect for him and his daughter.
Bobby Roberts
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Pretty sure his video created entirely to call attention to what he does and doesn't do is the inciting factor here, Stufte.
It's not harmful, so lets make sure it gets lumped in and treated absolutely equally to the one that is demonstrably harmful.
That's logical.
And again, I have a problem with the quality of the marketing, and big reservations as to the quality of the film itself due to that marketing. There are likely a large number of people just like me. Not everyone that has a problem with this film's marketing is an insecure boy seeking shelter under the blanket of cheap victimhood. But those types make themselves pretty easy to spot via their arguments. Calling those arguments out makes a whole lotta sense to me in the midst of a conversation about that specific phenomena.
Alright, now let's not let James Rolfe actually answer that question. Let's instead imply it's because he's subconsciously sexist.
If he disagrees, well, that's just more proof he is subconsciously sexist.
Winning internet arguments has never been easier!
stufte
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You must not watch much of his stuff... or you do and you're ignoring the fact that there's a huge difference between his AVGN stuff and his regular non-AVGN stuff.
I agree, I love that part in Rolfe's video where he wishes that, before Harold Ramis died, the reboot was the original cast back for "one last time" and handing the torch over to a new generation. He REALLY wanted them to go all Expendables 3? Sounds fucking awful.
But because they are not doing that, he's disappointed it doesn't match with his cringey fanfiction in his head
stufte
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But why does anyone care if he made a video about it? There are tons of youtube videos by people who say things that I don't care for, but I don't go abusing them. Why are people so pissed off about it? It's fucking odd.
BalishChannel
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Excuse me. No. Stop it.
Not liking a movie trailer does not make you or anyone else inherently sexist. The point that others and I are stressing are why is that this THIS movie specifically has garnered so much anger from some in the gaming community and others on the internet?
Why did every other reboot over the past several years, like Total Recall, Conan The Barbarian, Mad Max: Fury Road, Robocop, etc not generate a dislike campaign on YouTube for its trailers? Why do people like James feel the need openly state that they refuse to review THIS movie specifically?
Because, perhaps, Ghostbusters is one of his all-time favorite franchises that he grew up with and has been wishing for a proper sequel for over a decade now?
vainglorious
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The ONLY forced narrative is THIS one. How many times do we have to throw around Bobby's quote!
brandonh83
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Again the dumbest thing about all of this is that... I'm like, 99% sure he'll see the movie. Even if he gets in for free somehow or sees it through other means, watching the movie at all would go against his "movement" here. I say if you boycott something or "refuse" to see it, then not seeing it at all would be the only option to not be seen as a complete hypocrite and again I don't see him not watching it.
Especially if it reviews well/gets decent word of mouth. What then? Will he be like, well, I made that video saying I wouldn't see it so I better not (but I'll watch it anyway and not tell anyone about it). Something similar happened with the last Ninja Turtles movie.
Especially if it reviews well/gets decent word of mouth. What then? Will he be like, well, I made that video saying I wouldn't see it so I better not (but I'll watch it anyway and not tell anyone about it). Something similar happened with the last Ninja Turtles movie.
Bobby Roberts
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Why shouldn't they? I don't get your line of questioning. You think a guy with millions checking him out on YouTube should go ignored when he does a dumb thing?
Why would that be the case?
plagiarize
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I'm opened minded about remakes. I liked Poltergeist. I liked Friday the 13th. I don't blindly like them though, I hated The Fog and I REALLY hated ANOES. I mean, that's the most disappointed I've ever been at the cinema.
But if I wrote remakes off before watching them... I'd miss a bunch of good movies, so I'll risk another horrible cinema experience and go see Ghostbusters. I think I'm going to like it, because I love Ghostbusters, The REAL Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters 2, and I liked Bridesmaids, really like Spy and loved Other Space.
I love the look of the movie (PIXELS problem wasn't how it looked) and I know the cast and the director have the potential to do a great job. Plus it's really hard to judge how funny a comedy is going to be from the trailer. Case in point Feig's own Spy. Trailer editors for comedies are the worst.
I bet you that the line from McCarthy about 'This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen' comes from *before* the vomiting in the movie. Trailer editors almost never trust the jokes in the movie and regularly try to make their own. I have no idea why they do this.
Then you would think ghostbusters fans would be thrilled that the Ghostbusters name is now back in the summer blockbuster spotlight this year. Why isn't this film proper? Because it doesn't have the original cast? You REALLY think a new ghostbusters film with the old remnants of the original cast phoning it in would be 'proper' ?
Audioboxer
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Even if you knew that for certain after meeting the guy, I still put forward the question so what? Having a bias like that might be cringe in the eyes of many but it's not usually what takes a hunt after someone.
People have biases for all sorts of media to turn out a way they want. Games, TV shows, movies and sequels and reboots alike.
It's clear there was never going to be an option for the original cast to actually do a Ghostbusters 3 but in the fairly tale land of James' head there is nothing wrong with him having wanted that over this reboot. He's gonna have to accept he's not got what he's wanted, like others, but that doesn't mean they can't go a bit ham over not getting their way. As long as said ham isn't vitriolic and targeting others. Nothing he said was personally offensive I don't think.
His opinion is fair game to criticism but I feel said criticism is borderlining on insanity when the guys personality gets accusations thrown at it, rather than the criticism just sticking to his "cringey fantasy".
Still feel very meh, generic hollywoody crap at this point. I actually smirked less than the first one but the cheap physical comedy is not doing this for me at all. Also thanks for just showing what will advent of hemsworth, now there's even less of a reason to be curious about it. Feels very cheap overall, and yet another cash in on 90's kids nostalgia since apparently that generation cannot fucking move on
brandonh83
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Heh, well-- the thing about this is that he got a proper sequel. Same director, writers, cast. The legendary Bill Murray was also in it, so it was obviously fantastic and everyone hailed it as one of the greatest sequels of all time.
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