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brandonh83 said:
Sure, but there's a little more to it than that. Actors are instructed what to do. If I see a performance in a movie that I don't like, if the actual performance is good but the writing/direction of the performance isn't something I like, I don't blame it on the actor. McCarthy has been in some bad movies; most actors have. But she's also demonstrated talent more than once and has been in a few critically acclaimed movies.

For me it's not really about who is in it, but rather how they're told to act, what they're given to say. McCarthy isn't inherently awful.
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Sure but I'm just saying it's not completely unfounded. McCarthy is good in a lot too so you could swing the other way as well. Wiig I've found consistently funny in every comedy movie I've seen her in. So all I'm saying is in a movie where it's mostly about the characters playing off each other, even if McCarthy is just missing the mark Wiig could easily just come in and pick it up and save it.
 
Firemind said:
Yeah, but he fucked with my childhood. Twice.

That shit will not stand.
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I've only seen the first and last Transformers movies, which both sucked.

I loved Ninja Turtles when I was a kid, but its tough for me to go back to that series. (and he only produces the new movies)
 
Bobby Roberts said:
It's not really that big a deal, though.

He did a dumb thing. People are telling him so.

It will largely be forgotten in another 48 hours unless you're specifically seeking out larger conversations about Ghostbusters in online communities specifically focused on the film.



It's the sentiment at the root of his reasoning. He feels offended/insulted that Ghostbusters is going a direction he doesn't prefer. He is the aggrieved party here, and his video is how he chooses to reject/fight back against this affront to his feelings.

Nothing about that isn't claiming some semblance of victimhood.
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A lot of assumptions on your part. Show me the evidence.
 
Ishida said:
C'mon dude, don't make me try and defend that post because I also thought it was terrible.

But at least let's call it for what is: fat shaming. Which is also terrible. But sexist? The poster did not make any remarks about McCarthy condition as a woman. The (bad) joke was about the user thinking McCarthy was fat/ugly, not about her being a woman.

Again, the post was stupid and definitely mocking McCarthys appearance, and it was stupid, but let's not add the "sexist" card to it.
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I'm not making you defend that post. I am asking you to explain why you felt the need to ask that if the comment had been made about a man, what everyone's initial response would have been? Why? If not to deflect attention away from the fact that the comment was nothing but fucking sexist why even bother making such a stupid statement?

And really? Fat shaming larger women because they don't represent societies expectations of what women should look like isn't inherently sexist?

They are not mutually exclusive.
 
Audioboxer said:
I tend to think humanity has to be better than something such as that to be a large part. It exists, and trolls no doubt jump on the bandwagon for the lolz as well, but I think it's best to always be a little cautious of casting nets too wide. That tends to cause some to unfairly get tangled in the wrath deserved for others, such as James. To be accused of something so vile genuinely hurts if you aren't deserving of it. It's even worse if you have to try and defend yourself and said defence just gets twisted into saying defence is automatically proof the accusation is true.

I mean we are all suppose to believe in innocent until proven guilty, but that seems to get thrown out of the window often when we discuss real modern day issues with a wide net.
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I think James's points are terrible completely outside of the sexism.

And I can understand why people see a grown adult nerd who is upset because the Ghostbusters remake isn't aimed at him, can miss that he doesn't care who its aimed at beyond that it isn't aimed at him.

I think he sounds incredibly entitled in that video. Not as in male privilege, but as a grown adult who had a bunch of ghostbusters stuff aimed at him (who is still being catered to, just not by this remake).

I don't feel any differently about that side of things than I did about everyone upset about The Amazing Spider-Man giving a new generation of kids their own Peter Parker. Like... look... you had your Spider-Man when you were a kid. Why can't we make a new one for this generation to take ownership of?

And of course you can make a product that targets both the existing audience and a new audience as Jurassic World and Star Wars 7 did. And as an adult Ghostbusters fan you can disappointed that this new movie isn't aimed at you...

But bitching about how you will now have to type Ghostbusters 1984 into Wikipedia instead of just Ghostbusters... that's some really super entitled bullshit.
 
Inferno313 said:
...I made a Back to the Future remake in college.

Well, one scene of it anyway.

It was for a class.
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What was the scene?

And yeah, just watched the Rolfe video. It has such a weird vibe to it, it's hard to explain. Really disappointed with his (completely uncharacteristic) views on the matter.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
It's the sentiment at the root of his reasoning. He feels offended/insulted that Ghostbusters is going a direction he doesn't prefer. He is the aggrieved party here, and his video is how he chooses to reject/fight back against this affront to his feelings.

Nothing about that isn't claiming some semblance of victimhood.
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Basically complaining = claiming victimhood? I don't think it's quite as simple.
 
plasmawave said:
A lot of assumptions on your part. Show me the evidence.
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They can't. They've even been reduced to saying he's unconsciously sexist. He's not even aware of it, there's no reason to think it, no one can explain it, he just is. Otherwise he would love this terrible Ghostbusters trailer.
 
plagiarize said:
I think James's points are terrible completely outside of the sexism.

And I can understand why people see a grown adult nerd who is upset because the Ghostbusters remake isn't aimed at him, can miss that he doesn't care who its aimed at beyond that it isn't aimed at him.

I think he sounds incredibly entitled in that video. Not as in male privilege, but as a grown adult who had a bunch of ghostbusters stuff aimed at him (who is still being catered to, just not by this remake).

I don't feel any differently about that side of things than I did about everyone upset about The Amazing Spider-Man giving a new generation of kids their own Peter Parker. Like... look... you had your Spider-Man when you were a kid. Why can't we make a new one for this generation to take ownership of?

And of course you can make a product that targets both the existing audience and a new audience as Jurassic World and Star Wars 7 did. And as an adult Ghostbusters fan you can disappointed that this new movie isn't aimed at you...

But bitching about how you will now have to type Ghostbusters 1984 into Wikipedia instead of just Ghostbusters... that's some really super entitled bullshit.
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All of said criticisms above are fair play, and also fair to openly say. I'm not really interested in defending his opinions, free speech and all for everyone, but more so certain outlets trying to pass off the badge of sexist to him. That IMO is totally uncalled for with him, and I don't see enough evidence here, or in anything else he has done in years gone by to give him such a label. Saying things like you did above, even saying he is appearing entitled, are fair game.
 
SolidSnakex said:
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This is the shit I'm talking about. Calling what those people and some in this thread are saying "criticism" is disingenuous.
 
excelsiorlef said:
People need to fucking get over remakes.

Flat out care more about other things insteas please.
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Yes. Yes. Yes.

If you aren't going out and supporting original movies at the cinema (and there are lots of them) then shut the fuck up about remakes. Remakes are a tiny percentage of the movies coming out, and a much smaller number than the number of original ideas. Yet all I see is people bitching about how no one has any new ideas any more.

Uh, yeah they do. Go see Sing Street. Or Green Room. Or Keanu. Or A Bigger Splash. Or The Lobster.

And who gives a shit if Jungle Book is a remake when it's good?

What you're really bitching about is how you didn't get yet another sequel. As if we don't have way more of those than we do remakes.
 
I... liked Pain & Gain. However it also falls into the realm of movies where if someone said "It's shit" I more than likely wouldn't dispute that but would still be okay with it.

Also for as much as I disagree with Rolfe's video that Twitter stuff is pretty unnecessary. But I can't stand Twitter snark in general and try to avoid it
not always successfully :P
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A much better trailer than the first, though that's not a very high bar.

CGI looks pretty good. Didn't make me laugh, but it did make me chuckle.
 
Inferno313 said:
We did the full version of this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnWXeOM1QrI Marty and Jennifer by the clocktower. The assignment was to just look at the script pages and direct the scene ourselves without worrying what the original film did, and to set it in the modern day.

Our Marty was a cardigan-wearing hipster. You guys would hate it. Haha.
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Would I?

My favorite cinemagoing experiences *ever* was seeing the Raider of the Lost Ark remake just across the aisle from the guy who played Indy in it. It was the first time he had seen the movie in over a decade.

I watched him as much as I watched the movie. Seeing him lost in those endless summers as they flickered across the silver screen. Watching him see his awkward first kiss... since he'd never kissed a girl before when they had to film the scene where he kisses Marion. Seeing the tears roll down his cheeks as the audience applauded every audacious moment.

That remake was everything magic about cinema, reflected back at you by the efforts of a bunch of kids who had fallen so deeply in love with it, that they could only express it by recreating it themselves.

Ehem. I think I got a bit sidetracked.

If you have no idea what the heck I'm talking about: http://raidersdoc.com/
 
alfredofroylan said:
I can only imagine the shitstorm if there's a remake/reboot of Back to the Future.
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Honestly yeah, I think it's one of the few film series' that could draw the same ire. It's the perfect mix of being super iconic along with next to no ancillary media since its heyday.

Get crackin Hollywood, this twitter drama isn't going to perpetuate itself!

Yes it will
 
plagiarize said:
Would I?

My favorite cinemagoing experiences *ever* was seeing the Raider of the Lost Ark remake just across the aisle from the guy who played Indy in it. It was the first time he had seen the movie in over a decade.

I watched him as much as I watched the movie. Seeing him lost in those endless summers as they flickered across the silver screen. Watching him see his awkward first kiss... since he'd never kissed a girl before when they had to film the scene where he kisses Marion. Seeing the tears roll down his cheeks as the audience applauded every audacious moment.

That remake was everything magic about cinema, reflected back at you by the efforts of a bunch of kids who had fallen so deeply in love with it, that they could only express it by recreating it themselves.

Ehem. I think I got a bit sidetracked.

If you have no idea what the heck I'm talking about: http://raidersdoc.com/
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I totally agree. I made a number of significantly more ambitious projects as a film student, but that one still ranks as one of my favorites despite being just a simple scene recreation.

Now I need to track down that Raiders remake because I had wanted to see it when I heard about it awhile ago and never got to.
 
brandonh83 said:
Wait, is this real? I mean, I saw it in a nightmare I had last night where I was browsing the Ghostbusters trailer 2 thread in OT GAF, but people keep posting it as if it's not something out of a morbidly depressing dream.
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Not a nightmare you can wake up from while you have access to the internet.

It may take slightly different forms but it will always be there.
 
brandonh83 said:
Paul Feig should pat himself on the back for creating at least one of the most controversial shitstorms in popular entertainment and bringing out the absolute worst in people.

Like...

...fuck
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It does put a bit of a damper in the fact that I watched Spy for the first time last night and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Pretty sure they used a Slimer puppet here too?

I think that's the case. Could be wrong, but I'd heard some of the ghosts were practical effects this time around, too.
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There was a VFX artist working on this movie in a prior thread who said that all the puppet work was replaced with CG. At least they meant that with Slimer in particular.

However, I think Slimer looks good, so I'm not sharing that as a bad thing.
 
Demoncarnotaur said:
There was a VFX artist working on this movie in a prior thread who said that all the puppet work was replaced with CG. At least they meant that with Slimer in particular.

However, I think Slimer looks good, so I'm not sharing that as a bad thing.
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Not saying that's what happened here, but it seems to be becoming a bit more common to have some form of practical effect for the actor's sake, even if you plan to fully replace it in post.

I love the look of the movie. Obviously neon isn't everyone's cup of tea and that's fair enough, but as I said before, comparing it visually to PIXELS isn't really a criticism. PIXELS issues weren't anything to do with the special effects looked. You couldn't pay me to watch that movie, but I thought the CGI looked really cool from the trailers.
 
I mean, wasn't it going to be replaced with CG? Don't they sometimes do base work, like with puppets or other practical things for a basis of sorts? I don't see how Slimer could be done without CG.
 
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