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Ghostbusters Trailer 2
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blankempathy
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Of course there is yet that doesn't stop some people from lumping in one camp with rational reasons for disliking the trailers with people saying sexist crap online. I'm sure there are plenty of people or celebrities who are purposely not disclosing their opinion because they don't want to be attacked via social media. What James Rolfe did shouldn't even be seen as controversial. He's a huge ghostbusters fan who put out a statement to his fans about not wanting to watch the film. Why? Because I'm sure he was getting hounded daily about his thoughts or if he was going to watch it. And look what happened with that. He's being slandered in articles and social media and is being labeled a man child and sexist or having his integrity questioned just because he doesn't want to watch a film. He's not even a movie critic. He's an internet personality who occasionally reviews movies. Tons of internet personalities do this as side content. From reviewing movies to reviewing food and so on. So yes a lot of people are trashing this film for whatever sexist reasons they have. Yet people shouldn't be afraid to speak out against a film with reasonable criticisms because they may be attacked by a certain crowd and labeled as something they aren't. But here we are.
Vampire On Titus
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I haven't seen too many people actually saying they won't see the movie. Mostly just that it looks awful. If there is a "movement" my money is on most of them being full of shit. Like the Modern Warfare 2 boycotts.
Audioboxer
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People shit on things all the time. This just has topics for every trailer on every site and people are dissecting every post that says it sucks instead of letting it be background noise. All the YT populars are making videos non stop as well (partly as that is their thing to social commentate, and I'm sure the ads money is good).
It's only weird if you make it weird. Anyone who is actually discriminatory towards women would be all the time. Or at least often. It's not like this one movie has people coming out of a closet of women hating they've been in waiting to get out of and needing a Ghostbusters film to do so.
alfredofroylan
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Was deleted, at least 2 of the guys involved in the conversation have apologized for it.
The Slate guy went into private mode.
You'd have a much stronger point if Rolfe made a detailed video for every movie he wasn't going to see.
blankempathy
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Guess you just skipped that part where I said hes a huge ghostbusters fan. Hence why he's personally invested in not reviewing the film. Or the fact that most of his fans know this and why hes probably being asked daily multiple times to review the film.
Petrae
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Social media was a mistake.
This might be an intelligent thing to say if it makes sense to expect him to feel equally as strong about every movie that comes out and if the original Ghostbusters wasn't in his top 4 movies ever made.
ComicBookGirl19 received no hate for her anti-Ghostbusters review of the trailer. I wonder why that is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQIuTGfPHvA
Some people are angry at this movie because they think it looks terrible.
Some people are angry at this movie because it's a remake of a geek fave, but stars women.
On the surface, it's hard to tell who is who, especially since the latter often uses the former's reason.
Personally, I'm just tired of all the people writing it off and declaring it's overwhelming awfulness when no one's actually seen it yet.
Same thing that rustled GamerGate's jimmies.
This is reboot hate amplified 100x over by the female factor.
Bobby Roberts
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Massive.
It's his #4 favorite film of all time, in fact.
#4
A man's top 4 is a widely-recognized no-touch area.
Soapbox Killer
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This whole think is so bizarre. The active "hate" toward an unreleased movie seems...I don't know what the word is but I'm sure there's a word for it.
blankempathy
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You're right. No ones seen it yet. Yet trailers are supposed to give the viewers an insight into what film they're getting. Thats their job. Some companies do a terrible job of having their trailers represent the film. Some trailers accurately represent the film they're made for. If your trailer fails to convince an audience to watch the film then thats the movie studio's fault. Why wouldn't I dismiss a movie if the trailers failed to appeal to me? I don't owe the franchise/movie studio a thing.
Its ridiculous. I don't hate ghostbusters 2016. Doesn't mean I can't criticize the trailers though. Of course people are always going to cross that line of criticism and hatred.
Audioboxer
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Dude cmon you're just eating your own cake with comments like that. James doesn't have to sit some government approved exam to determine that his 4th spot has meaning, and it's not just 1, 2 and 3 that matter.
Just consider how many movies there are and that a top 10 by all accords will most certainly include 10 things you absolutely love. Most folks on IMDB do top 50 or 100 movies you "must see".
As I said above you're only making it weird for yourself with such comments. The guy is passionate about the series and has a bias, that is all you need to know before deciding whether or not his opinion has any merit. Nothing else.
brandonh83
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For me, being a huge fan of Ghostbusters means being excited about new takes/avenues. That's not to say I'll take anything, but I'm totally open to being pleasantly surprised. I have a lot of respect for filmmaking, but it's still just a movie, just a franchise. While not all the jokes are landing for me based on the trailers, they certainly didn't all land for me in Ghostbusters II either. Right now I'm digging the visual style and direction over the first sequel; whether or not it's any good is yet to be determined, but I'm not about to shut myself off from it existing.
Again, loads of respect for filmmaking and movies, and the original by my books is one of the best films ever made, but it's still just a... thing, a big deal, yes, in terms of entertainment, but not a big enough deal to cause all the drama that's been stirred up. I mean, it's not worth that. I'll take someone trying something a bit different over never getting anything else from the series ever again. Worst case scenario is that we get a bad movie and nothing more.
Again, loads of respect for filmmaking and movies, and the original by my books is one of the best films ever made, but it's still just a... thing, a big deal, yes, in terms of entertainment, but not a big enough deal to cause all the drama that's been stirred up. I mean, it's not worth that. I'll take someone trying something a bit different over never getting anything else from the series ever again. Worst case scenario is that we get a bad movie and nothing more.
Wow, the response to this video is gross. It's essentially touching all bases and bringing up all the points that the angry commenters are screaming at the top of their lungs about (people sick of reboots, the movie does look rather bad, etc) but because they mentioned that sexism is very obviously a contributor to the dislikes, this happens.
Audioboxer
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Volume 3 was the best. Volume 7 was a joke. You wrong bro.
The problem is the magnitude of the dismissal.
The Transformers trailers accurately showed how bad it was going to be, but with many people there was still a reluctant "let's see what Rotten Tomatoes says before we make final judgment" attitude.
In this case it's an outright dismissal through and through for most of those people.
stufte
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brandonh83
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I just now took a look at the comments. It's amazingly disgusting how such fucking idiotic replies can get so many "likes" but they know their audience and there's enough of said audience to back it up.
This person completely ignores the video, obviously, and says that he's making it "simple" while simultaneously demonstrating that he doesn't understand at all what's going on.
Audioboxer
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5?! Even 7 was better than 5. Get some taste GAF.
Next someone will say 8.5 3D remix was the best.
stufte
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It's like I'm taking crazy pills. ARE YOU BEING SERIOUS RIGHT NOW??? What a shitty opinion.
That was a different production company/cast anyhow. It doesn't count in the series.
ElBoxyBrown
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Why did Ghostbusters resonate so much with the nerd community to where the movie became this holy grail of geek entertainment? Did it appeal to the mainstream?
Yup! It's really fascinating that someone who loves Ghostbusters wouldn't be curious about a new version. I've heard so many people say they're almost obligated to see Batman vs. Superman or Gotham or anything else with the Dark Knight because they love the character so much. I'm baffled that the same mindset isn't nearly as prevalent with the new Ghostbusters.
stump sock
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now you've gone too far Mike
Audioboxer
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You can come over to mine and we can debate the finer points in detail while watching.
stufte
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Ask someone, anyone "who you gonna call?" and see what they say. Chances are even the non geek culture will give you the right answer.
blankempathy
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I think its because as bad as the transformer movie was going to be people just accepted it as a popcorn flick. Ghostbusters 2016 is different. The originals relied on the characters and actors more then the effects. So when you take that away whats left? At least with transformers you can still have massive battles between the autobots and decepticons. Of course i do think the controversy surrounding it involving the sexism has amplified the negativity surrounding the movie.
As she says in the video itself, she's been critical of remakes for years and reviews tons of newer movies. Rolfe loves his classic horror films and rarely bothers to even vlog about newer movies and also doesn't go out of his way to see them.
I feel like he felt forced to make the video this week by his fans constantly pestering him "hey can we expect a shit storm when you go watch the new one?" and it just pushed him over the edge. He's disappointed after so long that this is the way the franchise is coming back - a film where he's not the target audience. Given his internet reach and popularity overall , going out of his way to pick on and single out this one remake after ignoring the last 15 years of recycled cinema feels like throwing rocks at a corpse. He blends into a crowd and makes it seem okay to be a hater.
Here's thing everyone - the new ghostbusters may well be a bad movie , it could also be a good movie - but the annoying thing is that it's being propped up as something WAY bigger than it actually is and the part that I dislike is that people like me - fans of the original ghostbusters who are also white males in their early 30's - are starting to look bad by association even if we've said something positive. I'm already seeing backlash forming on twitter that the original wasn't that great , how much longer until it becomes seen as a regressive terrible movie because the man children can't grow up just once ?
The part that makes this worse is that the next time a big remake comes along , especially if it doesn't do something different like gender flipping the entire cast , no one will give 2 shits. Just in the last few years we've had a new Robocop and a new Total Recall , the level of interest there was WAY less than with Ghostbusters.
At the end of the day , I agree that if you don't want to support hollywood remaking stuff - simply don't go see it. Don't talk about it either, just ignore it. If you have a podium to stand on and a fanbase, maybe realize that some things don't need to be announced to add more pitchforks and torches to angry mob that would do better to have a firehose aimed their way.
They are fucking liars, regardless if they hatefuck. People will see it at some point. Casual fans may not care. With Ghostbusters there are plenty.
Like I was trying to explain before, it's one of the most identifiable franchises without question.
brianmcdoogle
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He-man?
The general movie-going public doesn't give a single fuck about what internet nerds say. If the movie turns out good, it'll be successful whether the internet hates it or not.
stufte
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kunonabi
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Superman is near and dear to my heart which is precisely why I didn't go see MoS or BvS in theaters. It happens.
Audioboxer
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It was like The Lord of the Rings trilogy extended for me. Went on for too long. My stamina couldn't handle it.
brandonh83
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If I'm that big a fan of something, I will see the new thing. I find this more interesting than the theoretical Ghostbusters 3 with Ivan and co. Would I have 15 years ago? Doubtful, but that was 15 years ago. The ship sailed, but I don't want Ghostbusters to be done because of that. I think Ghostbusters is cool, the concept, the settings, etc. I don't see Ghostbusters as just what the original movie is, despite how much I love it. I see it as a bigger thing that can take different forms. Look at how many variants of Spider-man or other comic book franchises we've had over the years. I don't see Ghostbusters as being any different than that.
Ghostbusters to me is a group of like-minded, scientist-oriented people who go after pesky poltergeists and such. I think that's a cool concept no matter who's in the suits, wearing the proton packs.
I accept the game as Ghostbusters 3 anyhoo. I'm so glad they did it before Ramis passed.
I argue Paul Feig isn't the type. But again, everyone wants to be a Marvel. That's the goal.
The thing is the director specializes in character-driven comedies, and the actors involved are competent.
Naturally the trailer is going to capitalize on special effect sequences and quick, contextless gags, that's how you get people's attention, so we don't know how the screenplay will pan out.
brandonh83
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Last I checked, yeah, this is trying to be a new universe with Reitman and Dan actually involved. I'm not sure if Paul Feig cares about the universe idea, but I do know he's a huge Ghostbusters fan and probably just wanted to do this as a one-off.
Bobby Roberts
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When you've baked as much fucking cake as I have in this thread and so many people are just strolling by the beautiful towering bastards without even so much as running a finger along the frosting fuck yes I'm going to serve myself a slice with a smile and have fun with the inherent ridiculousness in a minority of posters here suddenly finding their long lost ability to clutch at pearls and catch the vapors after two-years worth of non-stop hostility and acrimony the second it's aimed at a guy who likes Ghostbusters a lot.
Guess what: I also like Ghostbusters a lot. I might even argue I like it more than most of you here in this thread.
Not that it actually matters how much I like it. Because it doesn't. It really doesn't factor in at all. Nor should it with Rolfe. His liking Ghostbusters a lot isn't really a great justification for his grandstanding bullshit, for reasons I've explained, very thoroughly, prior to this. It's not great justification for much of anything.
People being mean to him on twitter, going after his wife and kids, that's just as out of bounds as people being mean to Feig, McCarthy, Jones on twitter. People going out of their way to mean-spiritedly bring up his personal life or his appearance are just as shitty as people going out of their way to cack on McCarthy or Jones' size.
What's notable to me is that it's been two years worth of people very painstakingly going out of their way to make sure everyone looking understands that sexism is just a ghost (hah!) people are jumping at so as to make excuses for why people don't like the shitty marketing on display. They have had little-to-no problem with the sustained levels of nastiness, and have had even less problem minimizing it, and have seemed to thoroughly enjoy pretending they're being somehow persecuted for daring to be lone voices of reason demonized for nothing more than daring to be a guy who has a keen eye for cinematic quality.
And a small number of these same men are now (gasp! shock!) freaked out and utterly dismayed at the "sheer vitriol" being expended towards The Angry Video Game Nerd for his God-Given right to express his opinion honestly and even-handedly.
So again: What we seem to be dealing with here are a group of men who are very insecure about both their opinions, their regard for their childhood, and also (maybe primarily) the possibility they might be labeled as a sexist on the internet, and have decided the best way to counter that insecurity is to attempt to minimize (if not flat-out erase) the possiblity that sexism has anything to do with anything.
This is the double-decker cake that keeps getting wheeled in the way of fairly basic conversation about this film's marketing campaign
Which is, by the way, not great, could possibly point towards Paul Feig fucking the dog on this film, and wasting the talents of his cast and crew in a misguided attempt at modernizing both the tone and humor of Ghostbusters.
Note that I can say that confidently, without ever once having to suggest or even nod to the idea someone might think I'm sexist for saying that. I can dislike the marketing without prefacing that with any sort of worry about how people I don't know may percieve me on the internet, because I'm not at all insecure about my ability to explain my opinions, my standpoints, and am confident my reasoning will hold up when asked for it.
Insecurity is a motherfucker.
Exactly. Seems like an ideal fit to me. I'm really excited to see Kate McKinnon. She's one of those comedians who can make me laugh without saying anything.
blankempathy
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I guess we will see but the comedy looks like your average modern comedy film and i guess thats why I could care less about watching it. If the trailer fails generate hype then blame the movie studio. Not the audience. We only know what they show us.
alfredofroylan
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It is not. The dedicated fanbase for Ghostbusters is a small and homogeneous group, and that's one the problems, other franchises like Star Wars are huge and heterogeneous, so when there's a controversy (Like the Red Pill and Return of King "boycott") it quickly fade away due the overwhelming support of the rest of the fanbase, heck Disney delete the entire expanded universe in one day and the shitstorm from that was quickly contained and is only supported by a small fraction of the fans.
I think Sony tried to catch the old school fabase in that first trailer (With the now infamous "30 years ago...") but it back fired terribly, the rest of the "geek" community is mostly just in the wandwagon similar to the one that Les Gapay caused with his articles about Heaven's Gate.
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