xemumanic
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IMO, when I look at the X68000, I think of it as a CPS1 board posing as a computer. It's got mostly the same specs.
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Ghouls N Ghosts / DaiMakaiMura comparison on 16-bit platforms
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IMO, when I look at the X68000, I think of it as a CPS1 board posing as a computer. It's got mostly the same specs.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
I think the CPS1 board is stronger, it can display more sprites (128 vs 256) one more background layer (3) than X68000 (2), and more colors. However since many of the early CPS1 games didn't push the hardware that far, the X68000 could handle those games. Yet, with Final Fight, there are about half as many thugs on the screen at once compared to the arcade.
I could be entirely wrong about the specs, however.
wondermega
Member
well, now I have seen goddamn everything..
gaf does not care
in all seriousness - not that that wasn't - Capcpom didn't do the series many favors by getting a little funky with the naming. Ghsost n Goblins -> Ghouls n Ghosts -> Super Ghouls n Ghosts -> Some Gargoyle quest side-story games (originally referred to as GnG in EGM back in the day, during early previews) and then revisited later as Ultimate Ghosts n Goblins. Make up yer damn minds!
Anyway GnG, back in the day, always felt like a decent companion game to Castlevania for many obvious reasons. It's too bad to see how far the legacy of one game went, while the other disappeared into obscurity. GnG should have had a decent leg up on Castlevania for several reasons if you think about it; more platformer/mario-style gameplay, lots of goofy characters, excellent platforming and tons of weapons, super-solid audiovisual presentation. Hell they had a straight shot into the 16-bit lead-in with the Genesis launch, for crying out loud. The difficulty level was probably it's achilles heel (although if there was an "easy Ghosts n Goblins," who the hell would have wanted to play that?)
I don't think I played any other version than the Genesis one until many years later.
Man, Ghouls 'n Ghosts is one of my fondest Genesis memories. Spent a lot of time with it. It was top-tier stuff for me, despite its shortcomings when now compared to the arcade version. But at the time, it was incredible to be playing something like that at home.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Absolutely. I bought Ghouls 'N Ghosts for Genesis a few weeks before my dad bought me the system in April 1990.
Never been a big fan of much of the Genesis/MD sound. So much so that it is easily my least favorite system of the 16-bitters cause of all the thuds. Sound could be better, true, but I've always preferred the sound chips in the PC-engine.
Probably I was just impressionable since the SGFX version was the first one I played. I was SO excited when they released it on VC a few years back. I'll never touch the Genesis version again.
wondermega
Member
I used to ride my bike down to the Toys R Us in Shopper's World in late summer 1989 just to look at the Sega Genesis display they had setup behind glass showing GnG in attract mode (you couldn't even get your hands on it!) I wanted that thing sooooo bad. Finally picked it up @ Thanksgiving and played it for 2 full days with my best friends, until we beat the game. Probably one of my beys gaming memories ever.
Even though I saw the arcade (and "better fidelity") versions much later, I never really cared. GnG on Genesis was perfection as far as I was concerned.
I first played the Master System version and to be honest it's probably my favourite. GnG was a hard game and the upgrade system helped a lot. You go from silver > red > green >gold or something like that, with armour giving health, boots giving speed/jump, and helmets giving spells.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/14/virtually-overlooked-ghouls-n-ghosts-sega-master-system/
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/14/virtually-overlooked-ghouls-n-ghosts-sega-master-system/
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
One of my all time favorite franchises, and Ghouls n Ghosts remains my favorite entry. The Genny title was the first purchase I made for the system way back in the day.
Pimpbaa
Slop Inspector
I thought it was 6 megabit. I loved that version, although it could have been a lot closer to the arcade if it was on a bigger cart and had more experienced programmers. How did Sega gets the rights to do so many Capcom games back then? Sure did help the appeal the Genesis/Mega Drive in it's early days with no third party support.
wondermega
Member
4MB! Fun Fact, programmer was Yuji Naka.
wondermega
Member
I am pretty sure all those 1st-gen games were 4 meg. Strider was a big deal when it was launched a while later "1st 8 Meg game!"
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Genesis Ghouls 'N Ghosts was 5 megs, not 4.
SuperGrafx version was 8 megs and I think the arcade was either 16 or 32.
Genesis Strider was 8 megs, forget what the arcade was but I think it was over 40 megs. The unreleased SuperGrafx Strider was supposedly 10 meg.
Genesis Forgotten Worlds was 4 megs, arcade was 32 I think.
SuperGrafx version was 8 megs and I think the arcade was either 16 or 32.
Genesis Strider was 8 megs, forget what the arcade was but I think it was over 40 megs. The unreleased SuperGrafx Strider was supposedly 10 meg.
Genesis Forgotten Worlds was 4 megs, arcade was 32 I think.
IdreamofHIME
Member
When XBLA and PSN really took off I really expected this (and Maverick Hunter) to show up for sure, but never did.
Just weird IOS hybrids.
The series really needs a kickstart though, Arthur showing up in MvC3 was a nice start.
The PSP game WAS that kickstart and it was fantastic. It's a shame it was seemingly ignored by most people.
MightyHedgehog
Member
I think Ninty's constrictive publisher exclusivity at the end of the Famicom's life gave all of the big arcade title makers incentive to license out their popular releases simply because there's money to made there and because the 8-bit NES/FC just couldn't hope to handle them. Sega's and NEC's consoles and various computer platforms all had loads of internal arcade conversions and modified NES/FC games done. Sega did an utterly fantastic job with those Capcom conversions and, I agree, those games saved the Gen from total obscurity relative to Ninty.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Now THAT would be AMAZING.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
C64 version of Ghouls n' Ghosts has such amazing music!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG0PjgfHf5Q#t=48
It was almost surreal that such sound quality was coming out of it, especially the 48s-59s part
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG0PjgfHf5Q#t=48
It was almost surreal that such sound quality was coming out of it, especially the 48s-59s part
herzogzwei1989
Banned
sixteen-bit
Member
Sucks that Gokumakaimura Kai never got a stateside release.
Genesis Knight
Member
Who was the guy who posted a billion threads all over classic games forums a few years back about GnG comparisons? I think he was some sort of NEC fanboy?
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It sure didn't help that one guy's review which was 4/10 was posted in like 5 different prominent magazines and websites. Thanks 1up/EGM/OPWhateveritwas guy! You helped tank one of the best arcade games of the last decade. Seriously, average score for that game is so comically low considering how amazing and fun it is.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
It was AirRaid, he did a terrific job on his comparisons although he was really wacky.
He has a bunch of comparison vids on youtube as well. I used his screen captures for this thread.
sixteen-bit
Member
Jeremy Parish, I think.
Genesis Knight
Member
Haha, that was him. He was quite the character.
Was it Jeremy Parish? I seem to recall him being the one slamming the game, though I cannot understand WHY he of all people would trash it. The game was absolutely fantastic.
I just had to look that up. Didn't realize they made an update for it. The copy of the game I own actually IS the original Gokumakaimura (which has fantastic box art) rather than the US release. I'll have to look into Kai.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
LOL, yeah he certainly was.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
AirRaidX's videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/AirRaidX?ob=0&feature=results_main
He has some good stuff, well I think anyway.
He has some good stuff, well I think anyway.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
NEC SuperGrafx Daimakaimura back-of-the-box:
Sharp X68000
Beta Arcade version:
Final Arcade version:
U.S. Sega Genesis:
Japan MegaDrive:
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Amiga (Atari ST port):
Sharp X68000
Beta Arcade version:
Final Arcade version:
U.S. Sega Genesis:
Japan MegaDrive:
Amiga (Atari ST port):
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Thread updated ^ with box scans/flyers!
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polyh3dron
Banned
silly me I always thought Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts on SNES just had "Super" on it because it was on SNES like how all the N64 games had "64" at the end of them.
Still my favorite game of all time. I could 1cc the Megadrive version. I bought the arcade PCB twice! I never beat Ghosts n Goblins though. I really should one of these days.
Oh and a key gameplay difference between arcade and Megadrive/Genesis was that in the console ports you could go from crouching left to crouching right WITHOUT having to stand up first. Small change made it a LOT easier.
Oh and a key gameplay difference between arcade and Megadrive/Genesis was that in the console ports you could go from crouching left to crouching right WITHOUT having to stand up first. Small change made it a LOT easier.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
You got the arcade PBC twice? Way cool man. I used to own a complete (converted from an Atari cab) Altered Beast arcade unit. I miss having it even though I can play it in MAME whenever I want.
This is definitely true.
You rock.
Is it available on the PSN btw ? Would like to play it on my vita.
Criminal Upper
Banned
Stay free, Genesis!
herzogzwei1989
Banned
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I had this shit on genesis. Amazing game.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
He opens all the chests even though he doesn't need to and catches the key.
Ahhh. The memories.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Indeed, the memories, they will last forever ^_^
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Yes. Seriously.
Thanks ^__^