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GI.Biz Asks Analysts What to Expect from MS at E3.
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ii Stryker
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This is more or less how I feel as well. While I enjoyed Trials, Shadow Complex, and others that currently escape me. I primarily purchased a console for experiences like BF3, Halo, Skyrim, etc.
one analyst does state that there'll be 2 previously unannounced core titles at MS's conference, plus we'll see Ryse. I don't believe all hope is lost for the core gamer at their conference but we're definitely not their only focus anymore either.
Hopefully they start with the casual then kinect and finish with the core. in years past they've started with the core which I thought was premature. By starting with the core games it just makes the rest of their conference feel like a big let down.
Uno Venova
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I don't know his problem seems so simple to me, he's not fond of arcade games and MS doesn't supply much outside of arcade, and he isn't happy.
PopcornMegaphone
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Oh look it's Derrick01 in a Microsoft thread complaining about exclusives and dismissing XBOX live...
In all seriousness, I'd love to see more core content from MS. At the very least I hope this means we'll see more games for the 720 launch.
In all seriousness, I'd love to see more core content from MS. At the very least I hope this means we'll see more games for the 720 launch.
I don't understand your attitude that these are somehow 'lesser' games because they're downloadable and don't cost $60.
maybe I'm reading your posts wrong but that's how it comes across.
Microsoft. Game. Studios: Vancouver. Project.
Am I the only one who knows about this thing?
It's not because they're not $60. If they charged $60 for these games I wouldn't buy them, I'd laugh at them. There's a clear budget difference and production quality difference between most of these games and what I like. The best xbla game I played was Shadow Complex which did not feel like a cheaply made game at the time, which is more than I could say for everything else I had on there. They're just not for me.
upJTboogie said:
Yeah this really isn't hard to get.
Shogmaster
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That's how public will view it.
Wrong conjecture of XBLA games.
You want to read an interesting thread? Check out this recent one. Pro tip: look at for people who never replied to any arguments.
Agent Ironside
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Oh lawdy, whatever you do, don't buy a gaming pc and install Steam, talk about a backlog.
We're not sure of that yet.
OldJadedGamer
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To think of someone so close minded just by the price and size of a game to ignore something like Journey tells you something about a gamer's character.
I would still ignore Journey even if I was a downloadable fan. I have a pretty intense hatred of that company's games and the snobbishness that comes from the media and the fans. It's very similar to art snobs.
Shogmaster
Sloppy seconds
I shall drink your delicious tears in 2 weeks. nyehehehehe
This really depends on how well Nintendo markets the WiiU's capabilities, such as showing how it's different from a regular touch-screen tablet, etc. Hopefully, Nintendo has learned from its mistakes with how it approached marketing for the 3DS. Differentiating the product is probably the single most effective way to let consumers know what the Wii U is, and more importantly, what it isn't.
EDIT: I'll add something pertaining to the topic more directly as to not make it seem as if I'm just barging in here with "NINTENDO, NINTENDO, NINTENDO!" Microsoft has found their place in the video game market. They have the hardcore crowd they worked for since the release of the original Xbox. Their main focus is to capture the living room. Microsoft would be smart to not completely ignore the hardcore crowd, as Nintendo essentially did this generation. Then again, fanboys will stay regardless.
Microsoft, however, can't ignore its competition. Nintendo and Sony will definitely go for the living room as well, and to ignore the competition is something only a die-hard fanboy would say. It would be a stupid move, business-wise, to ignore the imminent competition.
Demoncarnotaur
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Yeah, I expect CoD Blops2, Halo 4, Kinect stuff, Forza, maybe Destiny and more Kinect stuff. And then a bunch of non game entertainment stuff. Heres hoping for a good showing from the few real games in the options.
If they announce a new first party game that isn't Kinect or XBLA I will be severely surprised.
If they announce a new first party game that isn't Kinect or XBLA I will be severely surprised.
OldJadedGamer
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I can't take your opinions on gaming seriously after this comment.
Ghost_Protocol
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It's kind of amazing that Nintendo's is the conference everyone looks forward to the most each year, regardless of how they feel about their hardware/software.
im saved by the lack of a credit card vs psn cards; but all it takes is a small taste and before you know it its 3am and you've spent more time installing games than playing them.
Man, i dislike mel gibson but that doesn't mean i didn't go see apocalypto.
I'm devastated.
Oh I don't like their actual games either, it's not just the fans I can't stand. I'm still mad at people who recommended Flower to me.
Agent Ironside
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Oh Journey was fantastic, I also would like to see more games like Dear Esther, they absolutely should have a place in everyone's library, but I wouldn't consider those the meat and potatoes of a system, or what the majority of gamer's first look for in a system.
The 360 is getting outsold in the U.S?
Deadly Cyclone
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This is debatable no matter which side of the Wii U debate you're on. A system just as powerful as current 6 year old systems is not too next gen.
HigherLevel
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No. There are couple of us who keep pointing this stuff out in every MS has no exclusives/Rare is dead/360 hate threads but nobody pays attention. MS has been building a bunch of studios the past few years but all the "hardcore" gamers who are supposed to be knowledgeable about this stuff don't know any of this apparently.
Where are they then? I am not one to be sold on promises or maybes. Show the games and show them without kinect and you'll have me on board.
OldJadedGamer
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Just curious, why do you care soooo much when you don't even own the system and won't buy games they are selling anyway? You are basically in every single MS thread complaining about games you won't buy.
HigherLevel
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It takes time to make a game. Most of this has started within the last year or two and it appears most of this stuff is for the next Xbox. It started when Bungie left MS and they began building their own studios instead of just buying devs who would just turn around and leave. Look at 343 Industries, the job they've done with Halo 4 looks really good. If everyone of these devs turns out like that we'll be getting quite a few quality games.
Microsoft is in a transition period, there's no reason to go all out in the final year of a systems life. They've got the biggest exclusive this year with Halo 4 and lots of big third party titles for this holiday and beyond. Combined with a price drop, that will be more than enough to coast along another year.
It's up to Nintendo to impress gamers at this E3. They're the ones that need to convince people to shell out the cash for a more expensive new system, that their launch lineup is good, and that next-gen starts with them.
Out of Working Order
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Kinect is still fresh in people's minds, so it makes sense that they'd try to ride that wave a little longer. They've put a lot of money into it, so to let it take a back seat now would be mad.
Sony seem to be in a position where a little talk of a new console would make sense, but not a full-blown unveiling. Vita should be their prime concern this year. As of yet, I am still awaiting games that make me want the system.
I fully expect next gen to kick off next E3 for these two, though. It will be a rollercoaster E3, I am sure.
As will this year. Wii U should impress. Very excited to see the first ever HD Nintendo games.
Sony seem to be in a position where a little talk of a new console would make sense, but not a full-blown unveiling. Vita should be their prime concern this year. As of yet, I am still awaiting games that make me want the system.
I fully expect next gen to kick off next E3 for these two, though. It will be a rollercoaster E3, I am sure.
As will this year. Wii U should impress. Very excited to see the first ever HD Nintendo games.
I'll agree with you to a certain degree. Whilst power is definitely an important factor when referring to the appeal of a console, look at what happened with the Wii. Power definitely isn't everything. Now, it's going to be about who can basically "take over" the living room.
Maybe I would be interested in buying the next xbox if there's actual games to play for it? I didn't swear MS off forever, I go where the games are.
That's some big ifs you have going there. I know it takes time, my point was to ask me to get excited over the possibility that brand new studio X miiiiight be making a core game in 2-3 years is a bit much to ask. If something is there in 2-3 years then I will react accordingly.
Yeah, the Wii U could go either way imo. Either people flock to it, all the same 3rd party stuff as on the other 2 plus Nintendo exclusives or they see it as a waste of money with the PS4 and 720 on the horizon.
legacyzero
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So it'll be a Sony year again this year unless Nintendo truly blows our hair back with Wii U stuff.
Everybody is just wondering why you're so invested in those threads. You seem to spend hours discussing the issue. I'm not interested in 3DS or Vita, so I simply don't visit threads about them complaining about Nintendo or Sony hoping everyone would nod in agreement.
Not that threads about 360 (Microsoft) should be circlejerks empty of critisism, but I think at this point everybody knows MS doesn't make content for you.
InaudibleWhispa
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It's not a case of 'might'. With regards to their new Vancouver studio we know they're working on core games. Microsoft have also used the word 'core' to describe various projects from their old and new studios, as well as creating a $300 million budget specifically for new core publishing deals and new IP generation. These are not hopes and ifs. That's not to say the new games will have any appeal for you, of course. We likely won't find out until E3 2013.
rod furlong
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Steinberg sure took a lot of words to say 'it's gonna be a lot like last year.' They all did.
Yeah it is a case of might. Their idea of core games now might be something that forces Kinect. Their core games might completely blow. Without showing even a scrap of information it's impossible to believe anything they're saying right now. I don't know why anyone continues to just believe any of these companies without anything to go on.
InaudibleWhispa
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Most of this has been pieced together from advertising such as this, so I'm not sure what we should be disbelieving. We're not just going off of some Microsoft PR stating "We are making something for the core, we promise". Plus the actual homepage for MGS Vancouver which specifically states that they're making games for core gamers. I can assure you that it is possible to believe that the studio exists and is working on something that will appeal to at least some core gamers.
Of the 6-7 new studios Microsoft have formed over the last 2 years, 2 of which at least as well as Good Science Studio were created solely to develop Kinect and family experiences. Every other one of their new studios, even the ones that explicitly state they're working on core titles, could be working on games that force Kinect, even for the start of the next generation, sure. But I think it incredibly unlikely.
PopcornMegaphone
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Which according to you is basically nowhere. From the "Who has disappointed you this gen?" thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38041556&postcount=310
Maybe you should find a new hobby?
Eh I still manage to find at least 10 games a year that don't completely insult me if my goty lists are anything to go by.
PopcornMegaphone
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So you're saying you're prone to attention starved hyperbole? ;P
gaming_noob
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With expectations so low, I think they can only exceed them. It can't get any lower.
Nothing hyperbolic about what I said. Pretty much everything now is dumbed down compared to its previous games or games that were similar to it. Even the game in my avatar. Doesn't mean I can't find some appreciation, I did say they didn't completely insult me.
I c no lies tho......
Boombloxer
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I think what they consider "next gen" may differ.
It's not that, they just aren't really saying what they are doing. Outside of Halo, Forza/PGR4, and maybe Fable, they haven't really produced a whole lot of great, memorable games, IMO.
goldenpp72
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I feel this is unfair against MS to some extent. Sony launched a lot of reasonably successful IP this gen, but MS launched I'm pretty sure a lot more new IP. The problem is their new (or returning) IP didn't exactly light the charts on fire. Many reasons could be listed for the whys and hows, but MS has struggled to find the foothold sony has, and has to constantly launch new IP only to have it bomb most of the time, and thus move on to more new IP. At this point they seem to be playing it safe and focusing on the big sellers and kinect for the remainder of this gen, and honestly sonys output isn't that spectacular either, sequel after sequel and a couple semi interesting releases that will largely bomb, don't really make a console.
Sony has a good ability to launch IP and make it do pretty well, MS seems to screw up a lot more but ends up with a few gigantic series in the process (Halo, Fable, and to some extent gears). I don't think next gen will just be MS releasing the same 4 games and kinect shovelware to start, especially if they are launching a new system head to head with Sony this time. They are probably focusing a lot of resources (Rare, 343, etc) on launching titles next gen.