Infinite Justice
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such weird timing haha
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Giant Bomb Thread #4: A thread of perceived slights
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such weird timing haha
Your unwillingness to accept they made a simple mistake is quite extraordinary.
Your argument boils down to the premise that whenever Giant Bomb makes a factual error, any factual error, it is really the fault of whatever company or organization didn't do a good enough job of beating the correct information into their collective heads.
I just don't take great offense to mistakes they made, I'm not saying a lot of people here are either. Giantbomb is personality driven obviously, and with that style comes a different set of problems that IGN or Kotaku for example don't have.
I was coming from the angle of there being a Xbox bias on a personal level for the crew.
starbunny64
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Quite funny how getting something so meaningless wrong means so much. It's about time Patrick made a public apology about calling Knuckles an 'Enchinada' too, right?
does it? i don't think anyone actually cares.
brianmcdoogle
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Vinny messed up the pronunciation of The Patriots true name in the Metal Gear Solid series on the Bombcast this week. Why aren't you people up in arms about this?!
Infinite Justice
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LOL @ Drew basically seeing Deadly Premonition twice due to manning the production room during the Endurance run.
Cerebral Assassin
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The fact that not one of them remembered speaks volumes about both the marketing & the quality of the content provided, & that ultimately is Sony's responsibility (not fault, responsibility). Also I have not once claimed they didn't make a mistake in claiming that PS2 games are unavailable, just that it was an understandable one.
It doesn't speak volumes about anything but their personal lack of interest. The level of marketing and the quality of the content for PS2 Classics is just as high as things they do happen to know about like iOS word games. The evidence for that is all over the internet. Your personal devotion to blaming everyone but them for not knowing/remembering about PS2 Classics being on PSN has reached a quite ridiculous level. If you set out to make yourself into a caricature in this thread today, you have succeeded.
It was a shame because it shut down what could have been an interesting discussion about emulated PS2 games on the PS4, but if all this discussion leads to Ruff Trigger making an appearance on UF then everyone wins.
Unfortunately no one there reviewed it because I thought them reading excerpts of Brad's Dog's Life review was hilarious, and I think it's something they should continue. Maybe they could play some old Tomb Raider games and read what Jeff had to say about them.
It was a shame because it shut down what could have been an interesting discussion about emulated PS2 games on the PS4, but if all this discussion leads to Ruff Trigger making an appearance on UF then everyone wins.
Unfortunately no one there reviewed it because I thought them reading excerpts of Brad's Dog's Life review was hilarious, and I think it's something they should continue. Maybe they could play some old Tomb Raider games and read what Jeff had to say about them.
Typographenia
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The only way to truly live.
Cerebral Assassin
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I guess if that is true that makes two of us.
You're the one people are laughing at.
Felix Lighter
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I agree with this and I also like that they don't feel obligated to pretend like they are not real human beings with such preferences. I have a hard time believing that anyone who has experience with all the platforms has no preference.
Cerebral Assassin
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funkystudent
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Would be great if Jeff released the audio of the Jar time videos as a premium podcast.
I do a lot of commuting so having a extra hour or two of stuff to listen to would be nice.
I do a lot of commuting so having a extra hour or two of stuff to listen to would be nice.
http://www.ghacks.net/2011/07/15/how-to-extract-audio-from-video-files-using-vlc-media-player/
But you are right, having it ready on the site would be cool.
John Rabbit
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i bet everyone here is a total 100% expert at their job.
The Wizard
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Not strictly true, especially for multi-platform games with PC releases where the 360 version is the still the one that gets sent to most outlets.
Anyway I don't really get the problem with them only playing one of the console releases because most of the time I know it is pretty much the same game on both platforms, aside from some technical quirks which are better analysed by the digital foundry guys than anyone at Giant Bomb.
I bet no one has ever called anyone out on being wrong about anything.
I trust Tested when it comes to discussing hardware. When they start talking games, though, lol. I was sort of irked by how they essentially dismissed the entire PS1 library when talking about backwards compatibility for the PS4.
Hot Coldman
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so guys Blade Runner in 90 minutes, huh
Felix Lighter
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I would imagine, when it comes to PC, the variable hardware is enough to scare a lot PR firms from giving out that version unless it was specifically requested.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Well, they didn't even mention what actually came out this week, and didn't mention the Ziff Davis ridiculousness, so I don't think anyone listens to these guys for stuff other than them being them.
Tom Bramwell said pretty much the same thing on Eurogamer when there was constant complaints in the comments for their reviews 90% of the time being 360 focused. It does seam that publishers more often than not send out 360 copies unless there's something truly wrong with that version.
Hot Coldman
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Yo they probably print more copies for 360.
Argument won. Seriously.
This would be a good argument if it were just one dude. Four is another thing.
I meant between the console versions, although even then there's strange examples, like I remember Brad was reviewing FFXIII on 360 first, no idea if that was just because SE gave it out on there first, or he had both and picked that one, but if it was SE, that's an instance of them giving out the weaker version.
Actually, he's reviewing Tomb Raider on 360, and based on that GAF thread the other day, it looks nicer on PS3 (although it might well not run as well).
ShockingAlberto
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I think Brad has (especially in the last few weeks) made his distaste for playing on the PS3 pretty well known, but there's no conspiracy or anything. They just spoke authoritatively on incorrect information because they do that all the time. It is more personality than bias.
Pretty sure he had both versions of FFXIII and later regretted picking the 360 one.
Anyway, I am pretty pumped about the continuation of Blade Runner later.
No, what the hell, it would never be a good argument, even less under those circumstances.
Typographenia
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I can finally move on with my life.
I went so far down the rabbit hole a while back that I bought the 3 disc soundtrack and watched the original and final cut versions of the film.
Sorry if this has been asked and answered a hundred times already but I've got serious tooth ache and going through 3 threads and 100 odd pages here isn't my idea of fun tonight.
Seeing as the new IT manager at work has blocked anything gaming related I've been missing my Quick Look fix. Can you access their video feed on iTunes with a Silver Account or do you need a full-fat Gold one? Thanks in advance guys.
Seeing as the new IT manager at work has blocked anything gaming related I've been missing my Quick Look fix. Can you access their video feed on iTunes with a Silver Account or do you need a full-fat Gold one? Thanks in advance guys.
That's what I came into the thread to find out - it's 0945 Thursday here now! I want some random PC gaming silliness. Though I'm guessing it's on in another 45mins, 1030 (EDST) local time eh? Ah well, time enough to finish watching Jar Time.
And fucking seriously, this last ~100 replies worth of sheer inanity...
slightconfuse
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All quick looks are on YouTube if you can acess it
HotHamWater
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Quick Look: TrackMania 2 Stadium
VIDEO ON FEB 28, 2013 05:00 PM
Also, for the GB folks who used to play TM2 Canyon you can now input your CD key into Steam. Still uses ManiaPlanet though.
VIDEO ON FEB 28, 2013 05:00 PM
Also, for the GB folks who used to play TM2 Canyon you can now input your CD key into Steam. Still uses ManiaPlanet though.
Lots of Cher and dubstep incoming.
Sad to see that community fall to pieces purely because of poor management of server updates by the devs.
The Crimson Kid
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Yeah, instances like this PS2 classics incident are why I have an issue when these guys all identify as "games journalists."
Assuming the mantle of journalism carries with it some prestige, but it also carries with it the responsibility to be well-researched and well-informed about the topics you specialize in as well as the duty to inform your audience as accurately as possible (and to later inform them if something they said earlier was misleading).
Now to be fair, both Patrick and Alex have done some wonderful writing and true investigative journalism, but frankly, these guys are far too loose with the facts in instances where they are clearly intending to tell the truth. This happens far too often during the Bombcast and occasionally in reviews or impressions of recent games they have played for it to not be bothersome, much more so due to the titles they all assume.
I've followed these guys for a while and been a subscriber because they are entertaining and occasionally provide informative content at the same time. I have no reason to believe that any of their content would suffer or be less entertaining from being more consistently factually accurate. If they abandoned reviews and th pretense of being journalistically sound and just focused on entertaining video content, I would be happier because I think they are better at that then at being games journalists, but different people want different things from them.
If they are honestly striving to be as accurate as they can be in their content as journalists who are entertaining, then they either need to step up the research a bit or be more willing to say " I don't know." instead of saying some BS in a convincing manner. Or if they don't care all that much about being factually accurate about their area of expertise, then they shouldn't call themselves journalists.
As long as they are still entertaining, I'll keep following them, but this isn't an area where you can have it both ways.
One of the big parts of being a journalist is doing research to determine the facts so that you can present the truth, regardless of how well-publicized the truth is. It doesn't matter if Sony had never done any kind of marketing at all about PS2 Classics on the PSN Store, the truth is that they are offered there (and aren't exactly hidden away either) as a basic feature and I would expect a group of people whose full time jobs rely heavily upon knowing all about the world of gaming to know something as basic as this, even if they didn't call themselves journalists.
Now no one is perfect, and I don't expect them to remember every single detail of every game they played several years ago off the top of their heads, but I would fully expect people who call themselves "game journalists" to know the features and general offerings of each current game system in and out, as well as being incredibly accurate about the features of games they've played recently.
If you can't manage to do that and only report what companies send to you, then that's fine, but then you aren't a journalist; you're a PR mouthpiece with some opinions.
Assuming the mantle of journalism carries with it some prestige, but it also carries with it the responsibility to be well-researched and well-informed about the topics you specialize in as well as the duty to inform your audience as accurately as possible (and to later inform them if something they said earlier was misleading).
Now to be fair, both Patrick and Alex have done some wonderful writing and true investigative journalism, but frankly, these guys are far too loose with the facts in instances where they are clearly intending to tell the truth. This happens far too often during the Bombcast and occasionally in reviews or impressions of recent games they have played for it to not be bothersome, much more so due to the titles they all assume.
I've followed these guys for a while and been a subscriber because they are entertaining and occasionally provide informative content at the same time. I have no reason to believe that any of their content would suffer or be less entertaining from being more consistently factually accurate. If they abandoned reviews and th pretense of being journalistically sound and just focused on entertaining video content, I would be happier because I think they are better at that then at being games journalists, but different people want different things from them.
If they are honestly striving to be as accurate as they can be in their content as journalists who are entertaining, then they either need to step up the research a bit or be more willing to say " I don't know." instead of saying some BS in a convincing manner. Or if they don't care all that much about being factually accurate about their area of expertise, then they shouldn't call themselves journalists.
As long as they are still entertaining, I'll keep following them, but this isn't an area where you can have it both ways.
One of the big parts of being a journalist is doing research to determine the facts so that you can present the truth, regardless of how well-publicized the truth is. It doesn't matter if Sony had never done any kind of marketing at all about PS2 Classics on the PSN Store, the truth is that they are offered there (and aren't exactly hidden away either) as a basic feature and I would expect a group of people whose full time jobs rely heavily upon knowing all about the world of gaming to know something as basic as this, even if they didn't call themselves journalists.
Now no one is perfect, and I don't expect them to remember every single detail of every game they played several years ago off the top of their heads, but I would fully expect people who call themselves "game journalists" to know the features and general offerings of each current game system in and out, as well as being incredibly accurate about the features of games they've played recently.
If you can't manage to do that and only report what companies send to you, then that's fine, but then you aren't a journalist; you're a PR mouthpiece with some opinions.
The Dutch Slayer
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ITS NOT JOURNALISM is entertainment reviewing and consumer entertainment about video games.
And having a flowing podcast and not look up everything means you make mistakes sometimes.
I understand your frustration but you take it a little to seriously
I'm not saying this in defense of their mistake or mistakes in any way, and I know that saying you're not a games journalist is a pretty common way for writers for gaming sites to get out of any responsibility, but I really don't think anyone at Giant Bomb except maybe sometimes Patrick "identifies" as a games journalist.
But it would totally kick ass if they were less wrong sometimes.
John Rabbit
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there you go.
Hot Coldman
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Only Patrick identifies as such.
That said, given their approach to games writing generally comes from more of a "is this worth your cash, y/n" direction then a deep critical analysis of a game, they could probably know more. But they usually do. It's mostly irrelevant. I only get ticked off when they mess up stuff like platform or price since that's actually super relevant information to the consumer.
Fix your quote, that's confusing as fuck.
slightconfuse
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