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[Kelas]

Grid 2 quick look. Should have got Drew in for this one. He seems to be the most competent car game dude they have.

Edit: And just as I posted that, I realised Drew is still (?) on vacation, so they probably couldn't.

 

[Patryn]

So apparently were getting a new FF endurance run?

I read that as Will Smith trolling Ryan about how a.)they hate being asked about ERs and b.)they hate doing ERs.

 

[Megasoum]

Grid 2 quick look. Should have got Drew in for this one. He seems to be the most competent car game dude they have.

Edit: And just as I posted that, I realised Drew is still (?) on vacation, so they probably couldn't.

Yeah he was still in Rome 2 days ago.

 

[Megasoum]

"I already have cameras pointed at the bed but they are not connected to the internet" -Jeff Gerstmann

lol


Edit: Oups, double post.

 

[Keyser Soze]

 

[def sim]

I hear the latest bombcast is getting most people upset. Tonight sounds like a good night to go ride my bike and catch up!

 

[R2D4]

I'm going to miss Patrick over all but I'm not going to miss his Professional Friday game choices. ZzzzzZZzzzzz....zzzZZzzzzz

 

[Hot Coldman]

I hear the latest bombcast is getting most people upset. Tonight sounds like a good night to go ride my bike and catch up!

Think I'll skip this one. If there's one thing I never, EVEEERRRRRRR want to hear Bay Area games writers talk about, it's used games.

 

[def sim]

Think I'll skip this one. If there's one thing I never, EVEEERRRRRRR want to hear Bay Area games writers talk about, it's used games.

Oh, so it's about used games. I'm not familiar with the stance Bay area games writers take regarding them.

 

[benny_a]

Oh, so it's about used games. I'm not familiar with the stance Bay area games writers take regarding them.

Take a guess. They get games for free. They are often invited to press junkets. They are friends with game developers.

 

[def sim]

Take a guess. They get games for free. They are often invited to press junkets. They are friends with game developers.

So, actively against used games. This should be an interesting listen.

 

[f0rk]

So, actively against used games. This should be an interesting listen.

No they aren't lol, people are putting words into their mouth
If they were against anything it was Gamestop buying for $20 and selling for $55

 

[NorthernAvengeR]

I almost forget about the consumer - press disconnect with Giant Bomb. Then boom. Almost.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I am not 100% sure why people hate the Bombcast talk. I am not touching the other thread, but people seem insane.

 

[jacobs34]

So, actively against used games. This should be an interesting listen.

None of them said they were actively against used games, Vinny did talk about how he disliked the way Gamestop buys back games for way under market value then marks up the price on them. They also talked about how not being able to let people borrow games would be a bummer, and came up with some ways that borrowing games under DRM rules would be possible. It's actually a very good conversation.

 

[Xater]

No they aren't lol, people are putting words into their mouth
If they were against anything it was Gamestop buying for $20 and selling for $55

It still is a skewed perspective. For whatever reason used games = Gamestop. I never ever use Gamestop to sell games or even buy used games. I would be an idiot to do that.

 

[Recon]

None of them said they were actively against used games, Vinny did talk about how he disliked the way Gamestop buys back games for way under market value then marks up the price on them. They also talked about how not being able to let people borrow games would be a bummer, and came up with some ways that borrowing games under DRM rules would be possible. It's actually a very good conversation.

Vinny also went on to take a nasty tone with consumers who used GameStop. Blaming them for the policies Microsoft is creating for used games.

 

[CinosAges]

I almost forget about the consumer - press disconnect with Giant Bomb. Then boom. Almost.

Yeah. It's kind of hard to take a value judgment seriously when someone gets a PC for free from a fan and has a Steam press account with all of the games on it.

 

[Antiwhippy]

Yeah. It's kind of hard to take a value judgment seriously when someone gets a PC for free from a fan and has a Steam press account with all of the games on it.

You know, people wheel this out, but for the most part most of them have openly talked about having to buy their own hardware, as well as having to sometimes buy games by themselves for coverage.

edit: not to say that some of their stance are often at odds with the quite a large number of the game playing public.

 

[Xater]

Oh and add to this discussion the idea that just because it's digital the prices will go down. No they won't. There is no competition for digital games on your Xbox One. it's a closed network. What incentive is there to lower the prices?

 

[Zaph]

Some people are too quick to wheel out the crazy.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but there is definitely a reasonable case you can make for being anti-used console games. It's not exclusive to Bay Area game industry folks and Microsoft fanboys.

 

[eznark]

Oh and add to this discussion the idea that just because it's digital the prices will go down. No they won't. There is no competition for digital games on your Xbox One. it's a closed network. What incentive is there to lower the prices?

Well there is still an incentive to generate revenue. Sony has regular sales and there is no competitive reason to do so.

 

[Xater]

Well there is still an incentive to generate revenue. Sony has regular sales and there is no competitive reason to do so.

These sales are rarely equivalent to those on the PC and often fo way older titles.

 

[eznark]

These sales are rarely equivalent to those on the PC and often fo way older titles.

Sure, but I imagine there will be an increase in the frequency of sales, nothing like Steam or GMG though.

 

[Recon]

Some people are too quick to wheel out the crazy.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but there is definitely a reasonable case you can make for being anti-used console games. It's not exclusive to Bay Area game industry folks and Microsoft fanboys.

There really isnt. It is just anti consumer talk. It isnt anyone's fault but the publishers that they cannot control their budgets and are losing money/cant break even on multi-million sellers.

 

[Recall]

Well there is still an incentive to generate revenue. Sony has regular sales and there is no competitive reason to do so.

Games on Demand titles on the Xbox 360 are the highest priced games available along with the fact you have to purchase online passes in addition to the game with EA games, further adding to the costs.

Sony are charging £60 for games on the PSN store, £20 above retail. Making that shot expensive beyond imagination.

Don't defend them until we see what they do as they could just as easily fuck us over on digital prices again.

 

[eznark]

Games on Demand titles on the Xbox 360 are the highest priced games available along with the fact you have to purchase online passes in addition to the game with EA games, further adding to the costs.

Sony are charging £60 for games on the PSN store, £20 above retail. Making that shot expensive beyond imagination.

Don't defend them until we see what they do as they could just as easily fuck us over on digital prices again.

lol I'm not defending anything. I'm making an observation based on the likely economics of the decisions they are making and the market they are entering. The video games market in general has shrunk and I'm of the opinion that making it more cost prohibitive to participate as a consumer in the industry will result in an acceleration of that declining operating profit. It's pretty difficult to attack costs and get slim when you are launching a new product on a worldwide scale, so I expect both Sony and Microsoft to be somewhat aggressive with their pricing simply to generate some revenues.

 

[mnz]

Oh and add to this discussion the idea that just because it's digital the prices will go down. No they won't. There is no competition for digital games on your Xbox One. it's a closed network. What incentive is there to lower the prices?

They are competing against other platforms. They don't want to be known as the place where games are most expensive, because they kind of are right now with their games on demand.
Also, revenue.

 

[Htown]

They are competing against other platforms. They don't want to be known as the place where games are most expensive, because they kind of are right now with their games on demand.
Also, revenue.

They don't mind being the most expensive for online play, do they?

 

[kingocfs]

They don't mind being the most expensive for online play, do they?

That's because right now they literally have no competition. Sony's online infrastructure just hasn't measured up all gen.

 

[f0rk]

These sales are rarely equivalent to those on the PC and often fo way older titles.

If you factor in PS+ I think they are.
We don't know what that will look like on PS4 yet but it's been a great deal on PS3.

 

[OverBlood 3]

Does anyone else think Jeff is missing the point here? Focusing on the buying old used games, this would be impossible with DRM etc.

I thought Jeff liked the idea of a place where all games could be collected for future reference like a museum.

 

[wenis]

People are upset about their talk of Used Games, but gloss over the scary fucking future Valve is playing around with right now?

Jesus flippin christ. Can you imagine if Microsoft was actively watching and implementing all those things Steam users seem to be shitting themselves over and spending loads of cash on pure junk then introduced those new concepts to the mainstream?

Used games are the least of our worries.

 

[hwy_61]

People are upset about their talk of Used Games, but gloss over the scary fucking future Valve is playing around with right now?

Jesus flippin christ. Can you imagine if Microsoft was actively watching and implementing all those things Steam users seem to be shitting themselves over and spending loads of cash on pure junk then introduced those new concepts to the mainstream?

Used games are the least of our worries.

Hasn't Gaben come out and said that there would be a way for people to salvage their games if shit ever hits the fan?

 

[Antiwhippy]

Does anyone else think Jeff is missing the point here? Focusing on the buying old used games, this would be impossible with DRM etc.

I thought Jeff liked the idea of a place where all games could be collected for future reference like a museum.

I think he's too used to the possibilities of emulation (which could theoretically break the DRM) being used to preserve games.

He's also probably just irked at the second question claiming that they don't pay for games, which people seem to wheel out to criticize them.

 

[pelican]

So is Patrick leaving the site then?

 

[SuperSonic1305]

I thought gamertags with 420 in them were just some joke that people made up but there they were in the Grid 2 QL. Two of them even.

 

[Dr_Boris_Goltz]

So is Patrick leaving the site then?

I thought he was just moving back to Chicago?

 

[Spwn]

So is Patrick leaving the site then?

No. He is moving back to Chicago, but will continue to produce content for the site in form of Interview Dumptruck, Spookin' With Scoops and so on. He'll just not be in the office anymore - pretty much like Alex Navarro.

 

[Barakov]

So is Patrick leaving the site then?

He's still the Giantbomb news editor. It's just that he'll be living in Chicago or around thereabouts.

EDIT: Beaten

 

[OverBlood 3]

I think he's too used to the possibilities of emulation (which could theoretically break the DRM) being used to preserve games.

He's also probably just irked at the second question claiming that they don't pay for games, which people seem to wheel out to criticize them.

Yeah that is a possibility, then there's the legality of the emulation which makes things a bit difficult to say it's the way to go. I might be wrong though.

Yeah the way some of these people are asking these questions is 'arsehole-ish' to say the least, the response is bordering on the same though. I guess I can't blame Jeff though.

 

[LCfiner]

So is Patrick leaving the site then?

no, just the office. he'll still be writing and appearing in personal videos.

and I figure he'll travel for events, of course

 

[wenis]

Hasn't Gaben come out and said that there would be a way for people to salvage their games if shit ever hits the fan?

Yeah, if Steam/Valve ever shut down, there is a "Master Switch" to release all the games people have ever purchased.

but I wasn't referring to that, but those Trading Cards and Valve taking cuts from sales between players and players charging an arm and leg for those virtual cards that are only worth virtual goods and those virtual goods that are traded are only worth virtual coin to by some games with in Valves virtual store.

Virtually.

 

[Htown]

So used games are only okay when the publisher's business model says they're okay?

We aren't allowed to buy or sell used games until after the publisher is done selling all the copies they want to sell?

 

[hwy_61]

Yeah, if Steam/Valve ever shut down, there is a "Master Switch" to release all the games people have ever purchased.

but I wasn't referring to that, but those Trading Cards and Valve taking cuts from sales between players and players charging an arm and leg for those virtual cards that are only worth virtual goods and those virtual goods that are traded are only worth virtual coin to by some games with in Valves virtual store.

Virtually.

I'm not on the up and up with the Trading Card thing.

 

[FStop7]

So used games are only okay when the publisher's business model says they're okay?

We aren't allowed to buy or sell used games until after the publisher is done selling all the copies they want to sell?

That is a reaaaaaaaaaaaallly weak response from him.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Yeah, if Steam/Valve ever shut down, there is a "Master Switch" to release all the games people have ever purchased.

but I wasn't referring to that, but those Trading Cards and Valve taking cuts from sales between players and players charging an arm and leg for those virtual cards that are only worth virtual goods and those virtual goods that are traded are only worth virtual coin to by some games with in Valves virtual store.

Virtually.

Microsoft and Sony are already in the virtual goods market. They are selling avatar/home stuff to users at some. The weird virtual goods market is something I've never quite understood but I've always been able to easily ignore it and let the people that find some value in that stuff waste their money.

 

[eznark]

People are upset about their talk of Used Games, but gloss over the scary fucking future Valve is playing around with right now?

Jesus flippin christ. Can you imagine if Microsoft was actively watching and implementing all those things Steam users seem to be shitting themselves over and spending loads of cash on pure junk then introduced those new concepts to the mainstream?

Used games are the least of our worries.

What are you talking about?

 

[Recon]

Yeah, if Steam/Valve ever shut down, there is a "Master Switch" to release all the games people have ever purchased.

but I wasn't referring to that, but those Trading Cards and Valve taking cuts from sales between players and players charging an arm and leg for those virtual cards that are only worth virtual goods and those virtual goods that are traded are only worth virtual coin to by some games with in Valves virtual store.

Virtually.

None of that matters, since it is entirely optional.

 

[hwy_61]

Wow. What a shit answer to a legit question.