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Giant Bombcast - 04/07/15

I don't, I can't access/find them anymore, I'm banned. They were deleted if I recall correctly anyway.

I know GAF is heavily moderated, but GB has moved into the top echelon of heavy moderation very recently IMO.

Well there's kind of some context for all that from last year, and whether you knew it or not, telling people to "grow a pair" or that they're "great scions of social responsibility" is going to make you sound like you're in some unfortunate company.
 
You know that he purposely asks these questions for the benefit of people who don't follow every detail of gaming, right?

There are those questions (which I'm fine with), but there are also other pretty big pieces of news that he seems genuinely completely unaware of, which really puzzles me because he works in the video game news business. I can't think of a specific example, but I remember thinking this several times during this week's podcast.
 
There are those questions (which I'm fine with), but there are also other pretty big pieces of news that he seems genuinely completely unaware of, which really puzzles me because he works in the video game news business. I can't think of a specific example, but I remember thinking this several times during this week's podcast.
He makes videos about people who talk about video games. I'm sure there are people who work behind the scenes at ESPN who don't care about sports.
 
And now we move onto the logical conclusion where he did well to fill the gap but now his services are no longer needed since Jason is here.
I don't disagree, but I don't know if they're looking to change anything any time soon.

Most of my hopes are on a GBeast podcast. That they can somehow convince Patrick to come in on.
 
I don't see your point. Why fill dead air with someone who quite obviously isn't really that interested in the industry?

No, my point is supporting you. He is surrounded by these guys that follow the videogame industry, surely they discuss it off-air and Drew picks up on it?
 
"Drew when scuba-diving and partied with Sammy Hagar and described it in under 5 minutes and it's not interesting!"

On it's own, it's not. The difference is for example, if I practiced the hardest stage of Ninja Gaiden like a speedrunner might, while I might get through the area quickly and efficiently with tons of practice, the execution of that feat would still be really goddamn hard. Even knowing where all the enemies and pitfalls are placed, mistakes are still possible and will still murder you.

I can't say the same for Souls. If you know an area in Souls, it's a cakewalk for everybody because it really just boils down to getting out of the way, attacking, backing off, rinse repeat. I love the combat in Bloodborne especially but when they give you a low cost extremely fast dodge with tons of invincibility, it's hard to argue that it's difficult, execution-wise.

If anything, the difficulty of the series comes from exploring new areas and fighting new enemies, where the game's lack of forgiveness means that if you are taken by surprise there is a good chance of you dying and losing progress. But again, that means the games are unforgiving, which does not equate difficulty in my mind.

And if I'm honest, they aren't even really that unforgiving anymore. Progress lost in Bloodborne can often be regained in a matter of minutes, again, because if you know an area, it just is not that difficult to go through it again. This includes even the hardest areas. The hardest areas in Ninja Gaiden, Contra, ect. are always a bitch even knowing them well.

None of this is an indictment of the game, which I think is fantastic, only of the constant circle-jerk around Souls as some revolutionarily difficult game, which it is not. It simply came at a time where running forward and mashing attack, then not getting punished by mistakes, was the norm.

Today kids, we learn yet again about the sinister whittling down of what "difficulty" means to only execution leading to games being too easy (this example is from the upper skilled end).
 
No, my point is supporting you. He is surrounded by these guys that follow the videogame industry, surely they discuss it off-air and Drew picks up on it?

Ah, gotcha. Good point. There has to be some overlap of knowledge, especially since he frequently sits in on quick looks and other actual content.
 
No, my point is supporting you. He is surrounded by these guys that follow the videogame industry, surely they discuss it off-air and Drew picks up on it?
I assume Drew is like Alexis. They have the game they like (Halo) and don't really care about anything else.
 
Well there's kind of some context for all that from last year, and whether you knew it or not, telling people to "grow a pair" or that they're "great scions of social responsibility" is going to make you sound like you're in some unfortunate company.

I see what you're saying, but I never said to anyone specific that they should grow a pair. I said "people who behave in X manner should grow a pair". I was always very careful to not specifically call anyone names, but criticize those that fell within a generalization. If someone felt they fit into that generalization (like, the type of people who condone censorship of entertainment media based on the current political climate), and took offense to it, then they were the ones I was talking about.
 
guys, i'm pretty sure drew cares about videogames. you're being ridiculous
just because he's more casual in his involvement and interest in games doesnt mean he "doesnt care about videogames"
he pretty clearly likes them

god these giantbomb threads get so fucking weird. always
 
man Jeff is so fucking disrespectful towards his "fans"...

Some people are actually using their time to watch him play a game and complimenting him on his skills and he mocks them with a retarded voice ? Does he actually think people talk like that ?

That man is so full of hate, it's making me sad.
 
Poor Drew. He's not up on the latest happenings in the video game news cycle and now people are calling for his exit.

I like his participation in the Bombcast. His little remarks like "What are you, Dan's mom?" reminds me of Vinny's remarks from way back then. He even does stuff outside of video games like Vinny did.
 
guys, i'm pretty sure drew cares about videogames. you're being ridiculous
just becomes he's more casual in his involvement doesnt mean he "doesnt care about videogames"
he pretty clearly likes them

god these giantbomb threads get so fucking weird. always
He cares about the games he likes, but doesn't care about Nintendo Directs or PS4 firmware updates or the types of swords in a Souls game and all the other noise that people expect him to know about.

Also, somehow he ended up being stuck in the Patrick role by being forced to play broken indie horror games for a while. So he's an expert in that too, I suppose.
 

Ah, a Gawker/Vox fan? That is a question, not a statement.

I'll call Gawker and Vox sites socially-retarded all day long. If that makes me a jerk (corporations aren't people, but feel free to worship them as if they are), then please ban me.
 
man Jeff is so fucking disrespectful towards his "fans"...

Some people are actually using their time to watch him play a game and complimenting him on his skills and he mocks them with a retarded voice ? Does he actually think people talk like that ?

That man is so full of hate, it's making me sad.

Hate is his coffee. It's the major thing that fuels him. Besides, he's still trying to be in denial about how much he respects Bloodborne. ;)

Poor Drew. He's not up on the latest happenings in the video game news cycle and now people are calling for his exit.

I like his participation in the Bombcast. His little remarks like "What are you, Dan's mom?" reminds me of Vinny's remarks from way back then. He even does stuff outside of video games like Vinny did.

He's been spending too much time outside. We just prefer "locked in some niche game no one else wants to touch" Drew.
 
He cares about the games he likes, but doesn't care about Nintendo Directs or PS4 firmware updates or the types of swords in a Souls game and all the other noise that people expect him to know about.

Also, somehow he ended up being stuck in the Patrick role by being forced to play broken indie horror games for a while. So he's an expert in that too, I suppose.

exactly. and isnt that how this entire site works? they care about the games they care about
it's half the reason giantbomb became what it is
 
man Jeff is so fucking disrespectful towards his "fans"...

Some people are actually using their time to watch him play a game and complimenting him on his skills and he mocks them with a retarded voice ? Does he actually think people talk like that ?

That man is so full of hate, it's making me sad.

Then what do you want him to say? Pretend that it's actually really hard? Jeff is right, Souls games aren't that hard.
 
exactly. and isnt that how this entire site works? they care about the games they care about
it's half the reason giantbomb became what it is
I think the problem is that since he doesn't have much to contribute, he remains silent for 90% of the podcast. Just standing there, silently, until the weird emails from DOD contractors who build F-15s come in for him.
 
its kind of funny how a lot of gb fans act like they're buds with the crew on the site and post weird shit commenting on their weight, or calling them names, etc
but then jeff makes a silly voice when imitating some fans on a stream and he's disrespecting his fans
 
exactly. and isnt that how this entire site works? they care about the games they care about
it's half the reason giantbomb became what it is

But the games that he cares about are games that nobody listening to the podcast cares about. F1 sims, random mobile MOBAs -- who really wants to listen to that? It's not great entertainment because nobody has any context for what this stuff is. And most of the time, it's not worth checking out.

And honestly, as someone who has played a ton of Halo, his knowledge of the series is not great. He's been flat out wrong about updates made the MCC on past podcasts. I suspect this is because he played only one or two matches and had to come up with something to say about it when asked because he's their "Halo expert."
 
I see what you're saying, but I never said to anyone specific that they should grow a pair. I said "people who behave in X manner should grow a pair".

Right but I could make a post now about how anyone complaining about moderation decisions on video game websites is unfavorable ad hominem X or Y and while it wouldn't be calling you out by name, the sentiment would be pretty transparent.

I guess what I'm saying is taking bad sentiment where you're effectively insulting people and attempting to get away with it by tweaking the language or pretending you're speaking to some broad generalization that happens to apply to your fellow posters is likely to be seen through right quick.
 
Then what do you want him to say? Pretend that it's actually really hard? Jeff is right, Souls games aren't that hard.

Not take a "douchebag" voice when relaying what the people watching and complimenting him are saying ?

Please re-read my post and realize that I wasn't commenting on the games difficulty at all.

He soloed BSB on his first try. This is an impresive thing and his fans are telling him they are impressed. Then he shits all over them in his podcast. nice.

edit : maybe I am overreacting to this because I don't understand the streaming and twitch culture and would never give my time to watch someone play a game on twitch. Still, guy's a douche and turned me off listening to the podcast.
 
Not take a "douchebag" voice when relaying what the people watching and complimenting him are saying ?

Please re-read my post and realize that I wasn't commenting on the games difficulty at all.

I don't think he was acting like a douchebag at all.
 
Ah, a Gawker/Vox fan? That is a question, not a statement.

I'll call Gawker and Vox sites socially-retarded all day long. If that makes me a jerk (corporations aren't people, but feel free to worship them as if they are), then please ban me.
lol, no. just thought it was funny you went through so many words to essentially say "those sjw meanies are oppressing me with their media narratives and website moderation!!"

the comment about Patrick made it especially transparent
 
Not take a "douchebag" voice when relaying what the people watching and complimenting him are saying ?

Please re-read my post and realize that I wasn't commenting on the games difficulty at all.

This is jeff's shtick. You're blowing it way out proportion
 
its kind of funny how a lot of gb fans act like they're buds with the crew on the site and post weird shit commenting on their weight, or calling them names, etc
but then jeff makes a silly voice when imitating some fans on a stream and he's disrespecting his fans
Lol this is pretty accurate
 
lol, no. just thought it was funny you went through so many words to essentially say "those sjw meanies are oppressing me with their media narratives and website moderation!!"

the comment about Patrick made it especially transparent

But I said nice things about Patrick, and explained very well why I thought him joining kotaku was a bad move. You cherry picked that part out.

I'm not in any way affiliated with the whole GG debacle, but if there are people associated with it that happen to agree with my opinion that Vox and Gawker have serious problems, and therefore then I'll get lumped in as GG and am "anti-women", "anti-this", "anti-that" - well, that's a very immature way to view the world IMO.
 
Calling Patrick socially immature is a huge red flag in post full of them I'm don't know why so many of you guys are giving serious responses to zombievac

What could he possibly have been banned for?!?!
 
But I said nice things about Patrick, and explained very well why I thought him joining kotaku was a bad move. You cherry picked that part out.

I'm not in any way affiliated with the whole GG debacle, but if there are people associated with it that happen to agree with my opinion that Vox and Gawker have serious problems, and therefore then I'll get lumped in as GG and am "anti-women", "anti-this", "anti-that" - well, that's a very immature way to view the world IMO.

I think there is a subreddit out there for you.
 
its kind of funny how a lot of gb fans act like they're buds with the crew on the site and post weird shit commenting on their weight, or calling them names, etc
but then jeff makes a silly voice when imitating some fans on a stream and he's disrespecting his fans

Internet dad syndrome is the worst.
 
Jeff's description of combat in Bloodborne and Souls is accurate. Dodge then attack, or attack first and lock the bad guy into a stunned state with repeated attacks. Of course, dodging is often easier said than done, and the punishment for failure is harsher than in other games. Dying in Arkham Asylum or Assassin's Creed practically requires putting the controller down for a minute.
 
Ah, a Gawker/Vox fan? That is a question, not a statement.

I'll call Gawker and Vox sites socially-retarded all day long. If that makes me a jerk (corporations aren't people, but feel free to worship them as if they are), then please ban me.

Not sure what the fck you're trying to do but I'm sure this place is not where you and your conversation belong.
 
Jeff's description of combat in Bloodborne and Souls is accurate. Dodge then attack, or attack first and lock the bad guy into a stunned state with repeated attacks. Of course, dodging is often easier said than done, and the punishment for failure is harsher than in other games. Dying in Arkham Asylum or Assassin's Creed practically requires putting the controller down for a minute.

Well, Jeff's mostly right about Bloodborne. It's much more forgiving than it's predecessors as it doesn't treat health as this scarce resource and the dodge is quicker and takes up less of your animation frames.
 
Does anyone else notice Brad will back peddle or change his opinion on the spot because of Jeff? It seems like something that's been happening more and more lately just on the UPF and Giantbombcast
 
Jeff's description of combat in Bloodborne and Souls is accurate. Dodge then attack, or attack first and lock the bad guy into a stunned state with repeated attacks. Of course, dodging is often easier said than done, and the punishment for failure is harsher than in other games. Dying in Arkham Asylum or Assassin's Creed practically requires putting the controller down for a minute.

Ha very true.
 
Not sure what the fck you're trying to do but I'm sure this place is not where you and your conversation belong.

And what exactly are you trying to do? NOT be a jerk? Your comment is hypocritical, it doesn't belong here either, then.

Don't be one of those people that gets offended when someone else doesn't have the same opinion as you, especially if said opinion is as benign as mine.
 
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