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My only worry is that we didn't really talk much outside of school stuff. I always began with whatever we were doing in class, and we sorta went from there and that's fine because it gives some insight into her mind, but I'd like to try and move the conversation away from it to something more casual. Any tips on how to do that specifically?
 
So I'm thinking about committing dating suicide. My ex recently broke up with me because we became distant, due mostly to my own actions (or lack thereof) and complacency with the relationship. So I now pointlessly will attempt to become involved in her life again and try to somehow present the person I was at the start of the relationship and see how that works out for me. The tragic part is I am madly in love with this girl but it took this royal kick up the backside to realize just how pathetic and careless I had become.

For your entertainment I will report my misery until either, A) We get back together B)She cuts me from her life completely or C) She/I find other people.
 
Spirit3 said:
So I'm thinking about committing dating suicide. My ex recently broke up with me because we became distant, due mostly to my own actions (or lack thereof) and complacency with the relationship. So I now pointlessly will attempt to become involved in her life again and try to somehow present the person I was at the start of the relationship and see how that works out for me. The tragic part is I am madly in love with this girl but it took this royal kick up the backside to realize just how pathetic and careless I had become.

For your entertainment I will report my misery until either, A) We get back together B)She cuts me from her life completely or C) She/I find other people.
Good luck, dude. Hope you've figured out what made you lose your "attentiveness".
 
Generic said:
My only worry is that we didn't really talk much outside of school stuff. I always began with whatever we were doing in class, and we sorta went from there and that's fine because it gives some insight into her mind, but I'd like to try and move the conversation away from it to something more casual. Any tips on how to do that specifically?
Hrm...I'm thinking master the art of the segway, but what sort of class is this? Consider what topic you talk about most, and then draw yourself a thought cloud of related chain topics that you can use...feel free to burn the thought cloud at the appropriate time, but brainstorming can help. Also, remember the five Ps: Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Performance.
 
BladeWorker said:
Good luck, dude. Hope you've figured out what made you lose your "attentiveness".

It can be so easy to slip from attentive to supplicatory, though in this kind of situation. It's a razor edge.
 
BladeWorker said:
Hrm...I'm thinking master the art of the segway, but what sort of class is this? Consider what topic you talk about most, and then draw yourself a thought cloud of related chain topics that you can use...feel free to burn the thought cloud at the appropriate time, but brainstorming can help. Also, remember the five Ps: Proper Preparation Prevents Poor Performance.

Composition, basically essay writing. Since we both write what we're sort of passionate about, we have some to say on the subject. She's interested in health everything related to it, with the current project being how something impacts culture, and I'm more of a philosophy guy, studying human nature itself.

As I said, she wants to be a nurse, is interested in the human body, ideally would be a neurosurgeon, and is generally interested in health. Also an intellectual elitest, I once moved the topic to the other essays we read (peer review) and I mentioned how one guy's was so badly written that it's some I'd have put out when I was in 7th grade if I was feeling particularly lazy, and she immediately and enthusiastically agreed about how little thought and work went into the essays she read. I could probably build the best convo from that, since I share her views in that most people are idiots. However, Making a conversation based on insulting other people while said other people are in class at that very moment doesn't seem like the smartest option.
 
Generic said:
Composition, basically essay writing. Since we both write what we're sort of passionate about, we have some to say on the subject. She's interested in health everything related to it, with the current project being how something impacts culture, and I'm more of a philosophy guy, studying human nature itself.

As I said, she wants to be a nurse, is interested in the human body, ideally would be a neurosurgeon, and is generally interested in health. Also an intellectual elitest, I once moved the topic to the other essays we read (peer review) and I mentioned how one guy's was so badly written that it's some I'd have put out when I was in 7th grade if I was feeling particularly lazy, and she immediately and enthusiastically agreed about how little thought and work went into the essays she read. I could probably build the best convo from that, since I share her views in that most people are idiots. However, Making a conversation based on insulting other people while said other people are in class at that very moment doesn't seem like the smartest option.
Okay...so instead of judging people and things IN class, judge things and people OUTSIDE of class. Example:

so hey, have you read <reading material>? I found it <adjective>. What's your take?
What do you think of <hospital TV show>? If you had to write an episode differently, how would you do it?

Try to look at your conversations from different angles...you can do it!
 
grumble said:
It can be so easy to slip from attentive to supplicatory, though in this kind of situation. It's a razor edge.
Yeah.

See, I find that both parties never share the "attentiveness" gauntlet equally, at all times. Sometimes, one person has to carry the torch for a bit, and other times, the SO has to take up the weight. The idea is that on balance, it equals out, so things work.

I'm speaking a little out of my depth, since I don't know exactly what's happened between you, but I'd advise caution if you're jumping into a hole and trying to dig your way out of it by "proving to her" that you can "always be attentive." It's not a battle you can win...
 
BladeWorker said:
Okay...so instead of judging people and things IN class, judge things and people OUTSIDE of class. Example:

so hey, have you read <reading material>? I found it <adjective>. What's your take?
What do you think of <hospital TV show>? If you had to write an episode differently, how would you do it?

Try to look at your conversations from different angles...you can do it!
I'll do my best. I'll try to start up a topic on something she may like and keep the conversation going from there. Hopefully, she'll invest enough to want to continue outside school. I just wish I knew a ways to plan it out so it'd come out naturally.
 
Generic said:
I'll do my best. I'll try to start up a topic on something she may like and keep the conversation going from there. Hopefully, she'll invest enough to want to continue outside school. I just wish I knew a ways to plan it out so it'd come out naturally.
The more you talk, the easier it will be. You don't know much about her right now, so your first few topics may be a bust. Hopefully, you'll find some common ground, and then the conversation will just fly.
 
SmokeMaxX said:
No prob man, I just hope I've helped you. My advice isn't perfect, I'm just giving you my perspective and experience. But yeah, friend zone sucks, but it looks like you're taking control of the relationship which counts for A LOT.

Anyway, I'm sure you won't have any problem getting girls to fall for you if you just apply yourself. You sound like a great guy.

You helped me a lot mate! I really needed someones neutral look on this and not someone who is personally involved in my or her life. Its always nice to hear someone else's perspective and experience.

Yeh, friend zone sucks a lot, but I'm going to try real hard to get out of it! Lets hope it works out. My main problem is self-esteem though but over the last few years I have been working a lot on it. I also have a few problems with trusting people and other people really say it shows. The girls best friend even talked to me a few days ago about that, saying that I sometimes have this huge wall around me and its really hard to get through, when I dont have that wall I'm tons of fun and really great, but its hard for me to trust someone. Funny thing is that happened an hour or two after the girl was at the best friends house; so maybe they were talking about it? Probably not, maybe something I like to think is true.
 
Alright, so I went to that meetup thingy. It wasn't so bad. I actually did end up making conversation with several people. Not sure if it'll turn into anything significant, but in the end, I suppose it was at least practice, and I didn't feel terribly disappointed since I didn't make any absurd expectations for what might happen. As I expected, almost no girls at all and those that were there were assuredly already spoken for.

Was kind of bummed there wasn't more structure to the event, it was pretty much just a free for all. Just walk around and try to talk to people. It worked sometimes and sometimes it didn't. I found myself a lone person surrounded by several groups a few too many times. It felt just like a bar setting really, only the people were at least more friendly and receptive.

Maybe I just need to get better at conversing, but I felt bored a lot. Even though we were talking about interests (although, the talk turned more towards more business issues rather than social topics most of the time), I felt not into a few of the conversations. Thankfully I at least got a free beer so that mellowed me out. Heh, who knows, maybe I'm getting sick of the topics that come with this interest. I wonder if that's a sign to pursue new things.

So, I guess the one thing I can say is that I accomplished talking to people. I wish I could tell if my eye-contact was good or not, but I just have a hard time doing so. Now I have to figure out new stuff to do.
 
Sounds like a very good step Combine, nice one :) More of that, you're definitely on the right tracks imo.

Anyone else find it a bit disheartening that you build up your confidence a bit, can actually go around saying hi to hot girls, occasionally sparking up a conversation with them randomly, thinking you're actually doing pretty well, and then realising you're still actually just doing what 99% of the rest of the population can do naturally without any worries? :D
 
blizeH said:
Anyone else find it a bit disheartening that you build up your confidence a bit, can actually go around saying hi to hot girls, occasionally sparking up a conversation with them randomly, thinking you're actually doing pretty well, and then realising you're still actually just doing what 99% of the rest of the population can do naturally without any worries? :D
From my experience, the majority of the population can't do that naturally (without alcohol, at the very least).

It's the confident, vocal minority that draw the most attention when you're out in public. The quiet majority keep their heads down and just want to get from point A to B.. You would never notice them; they don't want to be noticed.

No one is born confident. Everyone, at some point in their life, has had very little confidence. People just get better at acting, until the confident 'act' finally consumes them and becomes a reality.. Some choose to display their confidence while some do not feel the need.. The guy saying "hi" to a hot girl isn't necessarily more confident than the neatly dressed businessman walking by them, for example.

Am I making sense? I think I am? :lol
 
Good stuff Combine! One step at a time. What is this meetup thingy?

Can't help you on the eye contact thing. I can't stare at someone for longer than 10 seconds thinking that I'll come off creepy. I will stare for a few seconds, then look down or around for a split second to look like I'm pondering what to say next, then make eye contact again.

Taking a girl out tonight to a baseball game. We're just friends atm but she has shown signs of interest. I'm already thinking of what I will do if we end up on the kiss cam. If things are going well, I will pretend to be all over her and slobber a fat one on her cheeks lol.
 
Combine said:
Alright, so I went to that meetup thingy. It wasn't so bad. I actually did end up making conversation with several people. Not sure if it'll turn into anything significant, but in the end, I suppose it was at least practice, and I didn't feel terribly disappointed since I didn't make any absurd expectations for what might happen. As I expected, almost no girls at all and those that were there were assuredly already spoken for.

Was kind of bummed there wasn't more structure to the event, it was pretty much just a free for all. Just walk around and try to talk to people. It worked sometimes and sometimes it didn't. I found myself a lone person surrounded by several groups a few too many times. It felt just like a bar setting really, only the people were at least more friendly and receptive.

Maybe I just need to get better at conversing, but I felt bored a lot. Even though we were talking about interests (although, the talk turned more towards more business issues rather than social topics most of the time), I felt not into a few of the conversations. Thankfully I at least got a free beer so that mellowed me out. Heh, who knows, maybe I'm getting sick of the topics that come with this interest. I wonder if that's a sign to pursue new things.

So, I guess the one thing I can say is that I accomplished talking to people. I wish I could tell if my eye-contact was good or not, but I just have a hard time doing so. Now I have to figure out new stuff to do.
Whoa I'm actually really stoked to hear this, kinda makes my day. So are their other events like this you plan on going to?
 
Quick update: I talked to the girl today asking her what time she was going to meet her friend on the day we were going to have our date. She said she was planning going over there when the friend was home from work. After that she said: you know, lets just do this another day cause sunday night a friend of mine is having his birthday party and its probably going to be very late, and I need to pick up my schedule and arrange everything when I start work so I have to go over there aswell on monday (she graduates this friday).
I just said its maybe for the best if we just do this another day, that way we have nothing to worry about when we actually do it.

So to be honest, I dont feel like I'm getting blown off, she said herself she just wants to do it another day and I'm really certain its going to happen!

So, speculation time! :lol
1) going out late at night = very tired the next day and perhaps not being able to "function" properly
2) I know she's very nervous about her results at school and very anxious to start working, so I can understand she wants to make sure everything is arranged before she starts working.
3) She wants to do this another time. It's no: I dont feel like it or whatever. So maybe she was actually looking forward to it?

I'm actually kinda glad, this way I have some more time to look for something special to do, and look for a really good place to have dinner!

Edit:
@ Combine: really, props to you mate for going solo at that meetup, I doubt I'll ever have to courage to do something like that!
 
Combine: awesome!

profit: you're kind of overthinking things. It doesn't sound like she 'excited' or anything. I think you just need to confidently go up and make your intentions clear, and then see what happens. Beats this self-flagellation.
 
Ugh... I honestly kind of envy some of you guys who are single and having a hard time meeting women.

This girl, she's my best friend, I hang out with her regularly... ok, scratch that. I hang out with her all the time. In the past 30 days I've probably hung out with her for 25 of them. We do everything together, she lives right next to were I work and I basically just drive there instead of home. A majority of the nights she works so we're done by 11 O'clock or so but if not we hang out until 2 or 3 in the morning - sometimes until daylight.

I've been her friend for a couple of years, but really only started having feelings for her in November or so. Around that time things got pretty heavy between us romantically but when I tried to move the relationship forward "officially" back around March or so she shot me down with friendzone shit. Since then she's been on dating sites and crap trying to meet people and is just generally unsuccessful, she never actually moves forward with any of the guys. The only thing that even came close to becoming a relationship was with some guy long-distance she met before even her and I were involved and that fizzled pretty quick.

What's fucked up is I think I know exactly what's going on. She loves the attention I give her, she knows I like her and enjoys that feeling of being wanted by someone. Thing is she fucking pampers me. I could seriously call her right now and she'll treat me to lunch, coffee, and then try to buy me something at the store. She even reciprocates physically (not sexually though) she'll rub my shoulders and my back, she holds my hand and hugs me all the time, smacks my butt when I walk out the door, we'll be sitting together watching some intense movie and she'll grab my thigh or hold on to my arm, and she even kisses me on the lips still. She even washed my car for me one day when I was over at her house recently! On top of all that she's actually fun to hang with, she has the exact same wicked sick sense of humor as I do, same career interests (we graduated college together), and has the same taste in television, movies, and music.

Basically, except for the lack of sex (which is killing me), she's the best girlfriend I ever had and we're not even in a romantic relationship. I can not understand her though, she spends so much time with me that there is no way she's able to hook up with other men. She spends money on me, she seems attracted to me (based on the way we used to make out I'd say she definitely is), and she does so much stuff for me. Does anyone have any idea what the fuck is going on in her head? Why is she so amazing to me but doesn't want to be in a relationship? If it wasn't for the fact that she dumped me and then turned down my advances to get back with her afterwords (rather dramatically even) I would swear she's trying to get me to marry her or something!
 
grumble said:
Combine: awesome!

profit: you're kind of overthinking things. It doesn't sound like she 'excited' or anything. I think you just need to confidently go up and make your intentions clear, and then see what happens. Beats this self-flagellation.
Didnt really say she was excited but okay. My wording could be wrong and shape a wrong image I have to admit, english isnt my mother language so sometimes its kinda hard to really type what I mean.
 
Houston3000 said:
Ugh... I honestly kind of envy some of you guys who are single and having a hard time meeting women.

This girl, she's my best friend, I hang out with her regularly... ok, scratch that. I hang out with her all the time. In the past 30 days I've probably hung out with her for 25 of them. We do everything together, she lives right next to were I work and I basically just drive there instead of home. A majority of the nights she works so we're done by 11 O'clock or so but if not we hang out until 2 or 3 in the morning - sometimes until daylight.

I've been her friend for a couple of years, but really only started having feelings for her in November or so. Around that time things got pretty heavy between us romantically but when I tried to move the relationship forward "officially" back around March or so she shot me down with friendzone shit. Since then she's been on dating sites and crap trying to meet people and is just generally unsuccessful, she never actually moves forward with any of the guys. The only thing that even came close to becoming a relationship was with some guy long-distance she met before even her and I were involved and that fizzled pretty quick.

What's fucked up is I think I know exactly what's going on. She loves the attention I give her, she knows I like her and enjoys that feeling of being wanted by someone. Thing is she fucking pampers me. I could seriously call her right now and she'll treat me to lunch, coffee, and then try to buy me something at the store. She even reciprocates physically (not sexually though) she'll rub my shoulders and my back, she holds my hand and hugs me all the time, smacks my butt when I walk out the door, we'll be sitting together watching some intense movie and she'll grab my thigh or hold on to my arm, and she even kisses me on the lips still. She even washed my car for me one day when I was over at her house recently! On top of all that she's actually fun to hang with, she has the exact same wicked sick sense of humor as I do, same career interests (we graduated college together), and has the same taste in television, movies, and music.

Basically, except for the lack of sex (which is killing me), she's the best girlfriend I ever had and we're not even in a romantic relationship. I can not understand her though, she spends so much time with me that there is no way she's able to hook up with other men. She spends money on me, she seems attracted to me (based on the way we used to make out I'd say she definitely is), and she does so much stuff for me. Does anyone have any idea what the fuck is going on in her head? Why is she so amazing to me but doesn't want to be in a relationship? If it wasn't for the fact that she dumped me and then turned down my advances to get back with her afterwords (rather dramatically even) I would swear she's trying to get me to marry her or something!
Like you say, she loves the attention.

Tell her how you feel. Yes, you've already told her, but give her an ultimatum perhaps.
 
Houston3000 said:
Ugh... I honestly kind of envy some of you guys who are single and having a hard time meeting women.

This girl, she's my best friend, I hang out with her regularly... ok, scratch that. I hang out with her all the time. In the past 30 days I've probably hung out with her for 25 of them. We do everything together, she lives right next to were I work and I basically just drive there instead of home. A majority of the nights she works so we're done by 11 O'clock or so but if not we hang out until 2 or 3 in the morning - sometimes until daylight.

I've been her friend for a couple of years, but really only started having feelings for her in November or so. Around that time things got pretty heavy between us romantically but when I tried to move the relationship forward "officially" back around March or so she shot me down with friendzone shit.

When you say romantically, do you mean you and her started fucking? If so why'd y'all stop? What do you mean by trying to make it official? Did you ask her to be your gf and she said no?

Since then she's been on dating sites and crap trying to meet people and is just generally unsuccessful, she never actually moves forward with any of the guys. The only thing that even came close to becoming a relationship was with some guy long-distance she met before even her and I were involved and that fizzled pretty quick.

What's fucked up is I think I know exactly what's going on. She loves the attention I give her, she knows I like her and enjoys that feeling of being wanted by someone.

:lol it seems like you know the answer but don't want to accept it. She's an attn whore. Stop giving her all this damn attention.

Thing is she fucking pampers me. I could seriously call her right now and she'll treat me to lunch, coffee, and then try to buy me something at the store. She even reciprocates physically (not sexually though) she'll rub my shoulders and my back, she holds my hand and hugs me all the time, smacks my butt when I walk out the door, we'll be sitting together watching some intense movie and she'll grab my thigh or hold on to my arm, and she even kisses me on the lips still.

If she's not pampering your dick, all of that other shit is nothing more than a cock tease. You have to let her know you're not cool with that. She can't kiss and touch you, then expect you to turn your dick off at will. Our brains aren't wired like that. I had a girl who'd come over, sleep in my bed, and wear these booty shorts and a tank top around the house and sleep in the bed with me (fuck she had amazing body and a fat ass. Girls on the track team are the shit). She'd grab my dick, place her ass right up on me, and tell me to hold her tight, and wouldn't ever let me fuck. After the 3rd day of that hell I told her either we're gonna fuck or to fuck off. She fucked off. You have to be willing to let a woman go, especially if you're not getting what you want, and you're frustrated in the process.

Plus on a side note, other women will pamper you too, it's not exclusive to just this girl. This girl I met a while back spent the last couple nights at my house while she was in town visiting. When I first met her she was one of those I don't cook or clean type bitches. But while she was at my place, I'd come home the dishes would be washed, garbage taken out, she cooked, did my laundry, folded my undies, and even cleaned my bathroom and toilet (that fucking surprised the hell outta me). If a woman likes you, all the pampering stuff you're talking about will come naturally. Don't let that be some sort of trump card of hers, you should expect that from the women that's in your life.

She even washed my car for me one day when I was over at her house recently! On top of all that she's actually fun to hang with, she has the exact same wicked sick sense of humor as I do, same career interests (we graduated college together), and has the same taste in television, movies, and music.

Basically, except for the lack of sex (which is killing me), she's the best girlfriend I ever had and we're not even in a romantic relationship. I can not understand her though, she spends so much time with me that there is no way she's able to hook up with other men.

The #2 rule I posted earlier was Stop lying to yourself. She's not your girlfriend. She's a girl who treats you pretty good, but won't fuck you and goes on dates with other dudes. That's not a relationship man. That's some sick cuckold fantasy shit.

She spends money on me, she seems attracted to me (based on the way we used to make out I'd say she definitely is), and she does so much stuff for me. Does anyone have any idea what the fuck is going on in her head? Why is she so amazing to me but doesn't want to be in a relationship? If it wasn't for the fact that she dumped me and then turned down my advances to get back with her afterwords (rather dramatically even) I would swear she's trying to get me to marry her or something!

She's not trying to get you to marry her, you're her little play thing. Think about it man, why would you allow yourself to be enthralled with a broad who'll scour the net for new dick, all the time having you pining over her online? After you found out she was looking for a new man, you shoulda cut the bitch off immediately. What type of shit is that?

You got two options, tell baby girl either y'all gonna make this thing happen, or y'all need to part ways. You broke a cardinal rule by falling for someone who's an actual friend, and that'll pretty much fuck over your friendship completely. Use this as a lesson, never befriend females who you're attracted to. It's the reason why I pretty much 0 female friends. It leads to frustration and confusion a lot of the time.
 
Houston3000 said:
Ugh... I honestly kind of envy some of you guys who are single and having a hard time meeting women.

This girl, she's my best friend, I hang out with her regularly... ok, scratch that. I hang out with her all the time. In the past 30 days I've probably hung out with her for 25 of them. We do everything together, she lives right next to were I work and I basically just drive there instead of home. A majority of the nights she works so we're done by 11 O'clock or so but if not we hang out until 2 or 3 in the morning - sometimes until daylight.

I've been her friend for a couple of years, but really only started having feelings for her in November or so. Around that time things got pretty heavy between us romantically but when I tried to move the relationship forward "officially" back around March or so she shot me down with friendzone shit. Since then she's been on dating sites and crap trying to meet people and is just generally unsuccessful, she never actually moves forward with any of the guys. The only thing that even came close to becoming a relationship was with some guy long-distance she met before even her and I were involved and that fizzled pretty quick.

What's fucked up is I think I know exactly what's going on. She loves the attention I give her, she knows I like her and enjoys that feeling of being wanted by someone. Thing is she fucking pampers me. I could seriously call her right now and she'll treat me to lunch, coffee, and then try to buy me something at the store. She even reciprocates physically (not sexually though) she'll rub my shoulders and my back, she holds my hand and hugs me all the time, smacks my butt when I walk out the door, we'll be sitting together watching some intense movie and she'll grab my thigh or hold on to my arm, and she even kisses me on the lips still. She even washed my car for me one day when I was over at her house recently! On top of all that she's actually fun to hang with, she has the exact same wicked sick sense of humor as I do, same career interests (we graduated college together), and has the same taste in television, movies, and music.

Basically, except for the lack of sex (which is killing me), she's the best girlfriend I ever had and we're not even in a romantic relationship. I can not understand her though, she spends so much time with me that there is no way she's able to hook up with other men. She spends money on me, she seems attracted to me (based on the way we used to make out I'd say she definitely is), and she does so much stuff for me. Does anyone have any idea what the fuck is going on in her head? Why is she so amazing to me but doesn't want to be in a relationship? If it wasn't for the fact that she dumped me and then turned down my advances to get back with her afterwords (rather dramatically even) I would swear she's trying to get me to marry her or something!
Work this in your favor have her cook you a tasty dinner and kick the girl out and have another broad eat it with you and lie and say you cooked it!
 
Fffffff.....walked outside and this beautiful chick in a sexy fucking red dress walked in front of me and I didn't say a damn thing to her. It was fate because I didn't park in my usual lot and had to get to an ATM and there she was.

Now I'm like fuck I coulda been hitting that from the back this weekend. I've made that mistake so many fucking times it's disgusting. I gotta work on that shit man, that's an extremely bad habit I have from now on anytime I see a halfway decent girl I'm gonna approach her, I gotta break this shit!
 
profit said:
Quick update: I talked to the girl today asking her what time she was going to meet her friend on the day we were going to have our date. She said she was planning going over there when the friend was home from work. After that she said: you know, lets just do this another day cause sunday night a friend of mine is having his birthday party and its probably going to be very late, and I need to pick up my schedule and arrange everything when I start work so I have to go over there aswell on monday (she graduates this friday).
I just said its maybe for the best if we just do this another day, that way we have nothing to worry about when we actually do it.

So to be honest, I dont feel like I'm getting blown off, she said herself she just wants to do it another day and I'm really certain its going to happen!

So, speculation time! :lol
1) going out late at night = very tired the next day and perhaps not being able to "function" properly
2) I know she's very nervous about her results at school and very anxious to start working, so I can understand she wants to make sure everything is arranged before she starts working.
3) She wants to do this another time. It's no: I dont feel like it or whatever. So maybe she was actually looking forward to it?

I'm actually kinda glad, this way I have some more time to look for something special to do, and look for a really good place to have dinner!

Edit:
@ Combine: really, props to you mate for going solo at that meetup, I doubt I'll ever have to courage to do something like that!


Well two things:
1) I'm glad you're giving her her space and all. Sometimes girls need that especially in hard times (like exams/graduation) but...
2) Make sure it doesn't turn into a relationship where she can just blow you off whenever she wants. You're letting her take control in this relationship. I'd say (and someone else can comment on this) that you should set the next day for the date and if she doesn't say it'll work out, then tease her about it; about how she doesn't try to make time for you or something. Don't give her the "power" so to speak or she'll think of you as someone she can just walk all over.
 
bdizzle said:
Fffffff.....walked outside and this beautiful chick in a sexy fucking red dress walked in front of me and I didn't say a damn thing to her. It was fate because I didn't park in my usual lot and had to get to an ATM and there she was.

Now I'm like fuck I coulda been hitting that from the back this weekend. I've made that mistake so many fucking times it's disgusting. I gotta work on that shit man, that's an extremely bad habit I have from now on anytime I see a halfway decent girl I'm gonna approach her, I gotta break this shit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXQozTxQSiE
 
SmokeMaxX said:
Well two things:
1) I'm glad you're giving her her space and all. Sometimes girls need that especially in hard times (like exams/graduation) but...
2) Make sure it doesn't turn into a relationship where she can just blow you off whenever she wants. You're letting her take control in this relationship. I'd say (and someone else can comment on this) that you should set the next day for the date and if she doesn't say it'll work out, then tease her about it; about how she doesn't try to make time for you or something. Don't give her the "power" so to speak or she'll think of you as someone she can just walk all over.

I'll probly see her friday to check how her results were. Couldn't say a date because I dont know for myself yet, going to check my agenda tomorrow though. I joked about it when I was calling her yesterday, she didnt sound very happy and apologized.
We'll see how it goes.
 
Interesting. Met a girl a couple of weeks back that I liked and asked her out by text. I didn't really expect much as she wasn't single, but her boyfriend lives on the other side of Europe and she didn't seem all that happy with it so I decided to give it a shot. Never got a response on the text. Just got a text from her that she has a single friend that she wants to introduce me too. Guess I'll have a blind date soon.

Also Combine, as a 27 year old that is only recently been building up a healthy social life, you should try out new stuff like you said. The salsa classes are a tip that I gave that have helped me out a lot, especially since you'll meet a lot of girls and will get more confident around them. But just keep trying out new things in general, it really is worth it.
 
bdizzle said:
Should he stay with a perpetual case of blue balls then?


Never said that. This relationship sounds...not very sexual. She likes light touching, "hanging out", and other friend-type stuff. I don't think saying something like, "we either do this serious or not at all," will accomplish anything. I speak from experience unfortunately.
 
Mr.City said:
Never said that. This relationship sounds...not very sexual. She likes light touching, "hanging out", and other friend-type stuff. I don't think saying something like, "we either do this serious or not at all," will accomplish anything. I speak from experience unfortunately.
You're probably right. But she's stringing him along, which is stupid. She either needs to melon up or back off and let him find someone who is willing to play the whole game.
 
BladeWorker said:
You're probably right. But she's stringing him along, which is stupid. She either needs to melon up or back off and let him find someone who is willing to play the whole game.

Best solution is usually to cut the string.
 
Houston3000 said:
Ugh... I honestly kind of envy some of you guys who are single and having a hard time meeting women.

This girl, she's my best friend, I hang out with her regularly... ok, scratch that. I hang out with her all the time. In the past 30 days I've probably hung out with her for 25 of them. We do everything together, she lives right next to were I work and I basically just drive there instead of home. A majority of the nights she works so we're done by 11 O'clock or so but if not we hang out until 2 or 3 in the morning - sometimes until daylight.

I've been her friend for a couple of years, but really only started having feelings for her in November or so. Around that time things got pretty heavy between us romantically but when I tried to move the relationship forward "officially" back around March or so she shot me down with friendzone shit. Since then she's been on dating sites and crap trying to meet people and is just generally unsuccessful, she never actually moves forward with any of the guys. The only thing that even came close to becoming a relationship was with some guy long-distance she met before even her and I were involved and that fizzled pretty quick.

What's fucked up is I think I know exactly what's going on. She loves the attention I give her, she knows I like her and enjoys that feeling of being wanted by someone. Thing is she fucking pampers me. I could seriously call her right now and she'll treat me to lunch, coffee, and then try to buy me something at the store. She even reciprocates physically (not sexually though) she'll rub my shoulders and my back, she holds my hand and hugs me all the time, smacks my butt when I walk out the door, we'll be sitting together watching some intense movie and she'll grab my thigh or hold on to my arm, and she even kisses me on the lips still. She even washed my car for me one day when I was over at her house recently! On top of all that she's actually fun to hang with, she has the exact same wicked sick sense of humor as I do, same career interests (we graduated college together), and has the same taste in television, movies, and music.

Basically, except for the lack of sex (which is killing me), she's the best girlfriend I ever had and we're not even in a romantic relationship. I can not understand her though, she spends so much time with me that there is no way she's able to hook up with other men. She spends money on me, she seems attracted to me (based on the way we used to make out I'd say she definitely is), and she does so much stuff for me. Does anyone have any idea what the fuck is going on in her head? Why is she so amazing to me but doesn't want to be in a relationship? If it wasn't for the fact that she dumped me and then turned down my advances to get back with her afterwords (rather dramatically even) I would swear she's trying to get me to marry her or something!

You've gotta just stop hyping up this girl and stop caring about her. She is definitely using you for the attention, and although you are getting stuff out of it, you're not getting what you want. Bail out. Even if she is the coolest girl in the world and you get along so well. Bail out. Get out there and meet other chicks. There are others that are just as cool as her. Then she won't seem that special to you. Bail. Out.
 
Mr.City said:
Never said that. This relationship sounds...not very sexual. She likes light touching, "hanging out", and other friend-type stuff. I don't think saying something like, "we either do this serious or not at all," will accomplish anything. I speak from experience unfortunately.
It's not a relationship.
 
I kinda end up rambling a bit when I post. I didn't mean to make it seem like I'm terribly depressed about the situation. Reading over this thread it seems like it might be fun to go back to a time to a point where I was still in college, to a time when I was still constantly meeting new girls, that's really all I meant to imply when I said I envied some of you. Honestly, right now this girl means a lot to me not because of any romantic feelings but because we're genuinely friends. I mean you don't just abandon a person you're having fun with.

I was trying to explain how close we were outside any awkward romantic tension. I chill out at her place after work, drink beers on her couch watching TV. Her roommate's a cool chick as well, fun to talk to. When I go to the bookstore to study (I self-teach myself crap all the time) I can call her up and she'll meet me there for a coffee to shoot the shit, talk, and just sit next to me reading whatever novel she's into at the moment. She texts me at work and takes me out to lunch all the time. We watch shit tons of television shows together, you name it we've probably binge watched all the episodes at some point. I'm not saying this because I'm trying to explain how "amazing" and unique she is, I'm saying this to try to dissuade the comments of "Just toss her aside and bail because she won't fuck you". Obviously she likes the feeling of being wanted by me but there's an actual base to this that doesn't revolve at all around romance. Of course I feel a slight case of blue balls when she kisses me after a nice dinner - kind of like a first date where you don't get blown in the end - but it's such a small negative aspect that it doesn't make sense to never see her again because of it.

She's my friend. I'm not delusionally seeing her as something more but I do like her, we did hook up for a while, and I'm still hanging out with her after she laid the friend card in front of me. I admit it's a somewhat weird scenario and I like to comment on it in this thread, especially when I notice her throwing signals again.

I'm more than willing to hook up with other chicks. Problem isn't this girl, it's that I find it very hard to meet girls now that I'm out of college. All the guy friends I have definitely aren't into the club scene so I really have no-one to go to clubs or bars with (except for this girl which obviously wouldn't work to well). I'm planning on moving soon as well and I keep using that as an excuse for the reason I'm holding back. All the girlfriends I've had in my life have been through school - high school, college, whatever. I suck at picking up girls outside of those settings for some reason. The girl I'm talking about in this thread is not the one holding me back, believe me, I just have a serious lack of game.
 
Houston3000 said:
I kinda end up rambling a bit when I post. I didn't mean to make it seem like I'm terribly depressed about the situation. Reading over this thread it seems like it might be fun to go back to a time to a point where I was still in college, to a time when I was still constantly meeting new girls, that's really all I meant to imply when I said I envied some of you. Honestly, right now this girl means a lot to me not because of any romantic feelings but because we're genuinely friends. I mean you don't just abandon a person you're having fun with.

I was trying to explain how close we were outside any awkward romantic tension. I chill out at her place after work, drink beers on her couch watching TV. Her roommate's a cool chick as well, fun to talk to. When I go to the bookstore to study (I self-teach myself crap all the time) I can call her up and she'll meet me there for a coffee to shoot the shit, talk, and just sit next to me reading whatever novel she's into at the moment. She texts me at work and takes me out to lunch all the time. We watch shit tons of television shows together, you name it we've probably binge watched all the episodes at some point. I'm not saying this because I'm trying to explain how "amazing" and unique she is, I'm saying this to try to dissuade the comments of "Just toss her aside and bail because she won't fuck you". Obviously she likes the feeling of being wanted by me but there's an actual base to this that doesn't revolve at all around romance. Of course I feel a slight case of blue balls when she kisses me after a nice dinner - kind of like a first date where you don't get blown in the end - but it's such a small negative aspect that it doesn't make sense to never see her again because of it.

She's my friend. I'm not delusionally seeing her as something more but I do like her, we did hook up for a while, and I'm still hanging out with her after she laid the friend card in front of me. I admit it's a somewhat weird scenario and I like to comment on it in this thread, especially when I notice her throwing signals again.

I'm more than willing to hook up with other chicks. Problem isn't this girl, it's that I find it very hard to meet girls now that I'm out of college. All the guy friends I have definitely aren't into the club scene so I really have no-one to go to clubs or bars with (except for this girl which obviously wouldn't work to well). I'm planning on moving soon as well and I keep using that as an excuse for the reason I'm holding back. All the girlfriends I've had in my life have been through school - high school, college, whatever. I suck at picking up girls outside of those settings for some reason. The girl I'm talking about in this thread is not the one holding me back, believe me, I just have a serious lack of game.

why don't you go out to bars/clubs by yourself?
 
Houston3000 said:
All the guy friends I have definitely aren't into the club scene so I really have no-one to go to clubs or bars with (except for this girl which obviously wouldn't work to well).

Frankly, going to the bars with her would work really well. You can use her as credibility and she can help you pick up chicks. At the same time it would test if she would get jealous and maybe push her into liking you again.

Win win.
 
Thanks for the support and well wishes guys. I truly appreciate it. :)

I am probably going to want to see about trying new things. Although getting my ass going to do it will be the tough part. The problem I currently see myself is having that I've finally identified after last night, was how bored I become during conversations. I don't know what it is, even when the subject is something i know and usually interests me, i just start becoming bored and wishing for things to move on.

I hope it's not some kind of lack of patience thing, I'd hate to have inherited that. But now I'm worried that I might not be able to participate well in conversations if I'm not really into them, and this could definitely hurt for more meaningful conversations rather than the ones I had last night.

Oh man I need a job soon, that's whats really killing me. I really hated having to keep saying I was unemployed since I kept getting asked that question. It sucks and makes you feel worthless.
 
So tonight was pretty fail. I tried carrying the conversation most of the night but i can only carry it oh so far. She's friend zoned for sure.
 
SephCast said:
Frankly, going to the bars with her would work really well. You can use her as credibility and she can help you pick up chicks. At the same time it would test if she would get jealous and maybe push her into liking you again.

Win win.
Well, at that point is where the romantic tension part I mentioned comes in. I am posting about her in girl age after all, she is still majorly attractive to me, when I get drunk I tend to be all over her... I can't really help it at that point. I'm pretty sure she'll make out with me if she's wasted enough to, it's happened before plenty of times. Last time I drank a lot with her I was walking down the street with her hand on my ass cheek. I also don't think she'd be keen on me picking up girls with her there, she would act jealous and not be very helpful at all. That's really where the whole issue comes in with her, she's not going to be the one helping me find another women to spend my time with.

Fake Edit: ...and no, it's really not easy anymore to get her to come drink with me. If I could I'd get her drunk more often just so I could make out with her (and for that I feel terrible :lol )

akachan ningen said:
why don't you go out to bars/clubs by yourself?
I have. Doesn't really work out, I don't really know how to do it. Girls don't just hang around by themselves... if you're lucky it's a group of 3 or more together. I just don't know how to get in there and hit on one without being drunk and stupid first, and at that point I've already sat at the bar dumping back vodka for an hour by myself... fun :-/
 
Houston, we're not saying never see her again. It's just that, from the tone of your posts, it sounds like you're still playing around with the idea of trying to make her your girlfriend. If someone was going to happen, it would of by now. The jealously thing you mention is odd though.
 
Mr.City said:
The jealously thing you mention is odd though.

I don't think it's that odd. If he actually gets a real girlfriend then she's not going to be getting all that attention from him anymore, something she clearly enjoys.
 
Combine said:
Thanks for the support and well wishes guys. I truly appreciate it. :)

I am probably going to want to see about trying new things. Although getting my ass going to do it will be the tough part. The problem I currently see myself is having that I've finally identified after last night, was how bored I become during conversations. I don't know what it is, even when the subject is something i know and usually interests me, i just start becoming bored and wishing for things to move on.

I hope it's not some kind of lack of patience thing, I'd hate to have inherited that. But now I'm worried that I might not be able to participate well in conversations if I'm not really into them, and this could definitely hurt for more meaningful conversations rather than the ones I had last night.

Oh man I need a job soon, that's whats really killing me. I really hated having to keep saying I was unemployed since I kept getting asked that question. It sucks and makes you feel worthless.

The first time is the hardest, but afterwards you'll probably want to kick yourself for not trying anything earlier. I know I wanted to. :lol

Since starting my salsa classes I've been looking to pick up some volunteer work (found something that seems allright, fun group of people at least, but it won't really start again after summer) start playing bass guitar and plan a back packing trip to Indonesia, all in the span of a couple of months. So yeah, the first time starting something is definitely the hardest.

I know you said you had some leads on a couple of jobs, but that it took ages to come together. It sounds like you need to be more active on pursuing jobs and at least try to find some temporary job while looking for something better. Even if the work sucks, you'll get some experience, bring in some money and meet new people.
 
Houston, if there was another girl in the mix it *may* force her to reconsider her feelings for you. Stop showing her so much attention and she'll be all over you. This is a dangerous path though- things can go very bad.

Case in point, the girl who was flip-flopping on me for a couple of months. Now that I have someone else, it seems she cared more than she made out. Not the first time it's happened either!
 
Combine said:
I am probably going to want to see about trying new things. Although getting my ass going to do it will be the tough part. The problem I currently see myself is having that I've finally identified after last night, was how bored I become during conversations. I don't know what it is, even when the subject is something i know and usually interests me, i just start becoming bored and wishing for things to move on.

I hope it's not some kind of lack of patience thing, I'd hate to have inherited that. But now I'm worried that I might not be able to participate well in conversations if I'm not really into them, and this could definitely hurt for more meaningful conversations rather than the ones I had last night.
I'm the same. I'm actually going to book in with the GP sometime to see if I have some form of ADD.

But seriously, try the improv thing that was mentioned a while back. I've seen it work wonders!
 
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