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If you're staying with her, what's her penance? Because this is the kind of stuff that burns slow. Compromised trust is the ultimate relationship destroyer.

All I can say is if it gets to the point where you're checking her text messages and figuring out how to get into your email, it's time to go. Past time, really. Unless you're there just for some ass.


And yea, if you're under 25...I'd move on unless she's just the one.
 
He said she didn't have sex with him and that she will completely cut off contact with him so I guess they're staying together.

Ahh, thanks. Hmm, well good luck to him. I was cheated on in the past myself, ex said it was just a kiss but it had turned out to be more. It can eat away at you especially if you ove the person (like I did), made me very bitter and I realized too late that I held on to those feelings for way too long. I'm just glad I eventually learned to let go.
 
She told you about this because she wants to break up with you. Sometimes women don't actually want to hurt your feelings by just straight dumping you, so they do things that they hope will make you dump them. It's this weird self-sacrifice thing where she accepts being the heel in the relationship in exchange for being out of it. You can tell it's this kind of play because it's a minor thing like kissing. She doesn't want to be really awful, just awful enough to get dumped.

Also, you should very much play into that and get on your way. The longer you try to stick around, the more she'll escalate. Bail before you get hit with some real shit and end up hating her.
 
Lol I'm done with you, you can't even properly quote. I never said he "probably wasn't a saint" I said that "sometimes the person being cheated on isn't a saint." Get out of her with your lame excuse of an argument.

Don't change the subject, you tried to use someone not being a saint as a justification for a person cheating on another person. I'm glad you finally realize you're wrong since you keep trying to change the subject to random shit instead of responding to my posts yet again.
 
Doesn't this dude live down the street from her? I feel like with some creative texting he could get her over to his place, assuming he doesn't live with his parents.
 
She told you about this because she wants to break up with you. Sometimes women don't actually want to hurt your feelings by just straight dumping you, so they do things that they hope will make you dump them. It's this weird self-sacrifice thing where she accepts being the heel in the relationship in exchange for being out of it. You can tell it's this kind of play because it's a minor thing like kissing. She doesn't want to be really awful, just awful enough to get dumped.

Also, you should very much play into that and get on your way. The longer you try to stick around, the more she'll escalate. Bail before you get hit with some real shit and end up hating her.

Wow.
 
Doesn't this dude live down the street from her? I feel like with some creative texting he could get her over to his place, assuming he doesn't live with his parents.

He didn't need creative texting, apparently he was dropping her off in his car so she was either already at his place or they were out together.
 
Kissing just doesn't really seem like a big deal to me. She should feel bad about it but is this worth ending a good relationship over? I don't think so.
Relationship wasn't good if the girl was still meeting with her ex who she still had romantic feelings for... despite being with the OP for four years.
 
As a serial monogamist who has never once had sex just to get off, I think you're wrong and people do it all the time and there ain't nothing wrong with that.
That's fine. I'm just saying what I thought.

No need to say I don't understand when everyone else is just assuming what's going on based on what the OP has given.

Edit: Why did you quote me?
 
OP, this is 22 pages in and I'm sure you won't see it, but whatever.

Cheating is a huge, huge deal, and no one should try to minimize how much pain it causes to the partner. You will always remember it. For the first while, you won't be able to get it off your mind. Then you'll think about it (and hurt) maybe once a week, then once a month. Eventually, the pain goes away, and you've just got the memory of it, sans pain. That takes a long time.

That being said, relationships are also a huge, huge deal. Her mindset on the situation is precisely the mindset she needs to have to earn your forgiveness. She owned up to it immediately, said she reciprocated, claimed the fault, cut off all ties with the dude. She clearly truly values her relationship with you, and put honesty at the forefront of it, knowing what it could mean.

So she cheated on you (via kiss). That happened, and breaking up with her won't make it go away. It won't make the pain go away. You can't change that. All you can control is what you do in the present to shape your future.

Do you want your future to include this girl? Is it a relationship you value? Do you enjoy her company? Do you love her?

If yes, then you should forgive her. Brace yourself for the pain, and forgive her. If not, if you do not love her, if you do not want her in your future, then cut it off... and brace yourself for the pain. Because the pain will come either way, and you can't avoid it.

So bottom line, your choice is a future with the girl you love (+ pain), or a future without the girl you love (+ pain). Assuming, of course, you love her. If you don't, cut it off.
 
She told you about this because she wants to break up with you. Sometimes women don't actually want to hurt your feelings by just straight dumping you, so they do things that they hope will make you dump them. It's this weird self-sacrifice thing where she accepts being the heel in the relationship in exchange for being out of it. You can tell it's this kind of play because it's a minor thing like kissing. She doesn't want to be really awful, just awful enough to get dumped.

Also, you should very much play into that and get on your way. The longer you try to stick around, the more she'll escalate. Bail before you get hit with some real shit and end up hating her.

I have seen this first hand (and was admitted soon after). Blows my mind too, so much crazy.
 
She told you about this because she wants to break up with you. Sometimes women don't actually want to hurt your feelings by just straight dumping you, so they do things that they hope will make you dump them. It's this weird self-sacrifice thing where she accepts being the heel in the relationship in exchange for being out of it. You can tell it's this kind of play because it's a minor thing like kissing. She doesn't want to be really awful, just awful enough to get dumped.

Also, you should very much play into that and get on your way. The longer you try to stick around, the more she'll escalate. Bail before you get hit with some real shit and end up hating her.
Yeah not surprised if this is the case, they're still young and she's probably bored.
 
Okay so, weird night. Girlfriend of 4 years comes to mine in tears saying that, the other night, her ex-boyfriend kissed her... and she reciprocated. Now they were about 16 when they split up, and we've been together 4 and a half years after that, so I never really thought them hanging out was an issue, I trusted her implicitly. He's always held a candle for her, and he's always made attempts to flirt with her. Over the 4 years we've been together, it's come down to me threatening him to stay away from her a few times.

Thing is, I never trusted him, but I always trusted her not to do anything. I never even dreamed she would. I mean, it's just a kiss right? That's what I told her. Everybody slips up, and if I fucked up like that I'd want her to forgive me. But thing is I never have, and I'm still pissed/upset obviously. She says she regrets it, and she's never going to see him again. I appreciate she told me, if I found out via other means I might have been way more annoyed.

I know going to GAF for relationship advice is pissing in the wind a little, but I plan to stay with her, and I don't really want to tell my friends/family about this because it might impact our future.

It's NEVER ok for a gf or bf to "hang" with an ex, it means there isn't a clean break, and that he or she is still part of someone's life and that the gf/bf has not truly moved on from the relationship.

Now if she claims she has cut ties with him, it depends on whether you think you can still trust her, there's no way of knowing whether she will see him again, even if she stays away from him, it doesn't prevent him from seeking her out, the only way that would not happen is if the dude has move on to someone else, but that's not the case here.
 
It's NEVER ok for a gf or bf to "hang" with an ex, it means there isn't a clean break, and that he or she is still part of someone's life and that the gf/bf has not truly moved on from the relationship.

That is such bullshit. I have friends who are exes and are great friends to this day.
 
Real talk. Based on how she would react if you hang out with girls, she'd prolly leave you if the situation was reversed.

This. Something's wrong if she has a problem with you having female friends while she still gets to mull around with a guy she has feelings for. Double standard. Now that this has happened, you should tell her straight up that you should be able to have friends of the opposite sex, or at least call her out on that bullshit stance.

My guess is you're in a larger majority than most would care to admit. I think a lot of monogamists are only monogamists because of an inability to cope with jealousy, and not because they honestly don't want to have sex with other men/women than their significant other.

That isn't to say that natural monogamists don't exist, mind you, just that a hefty portion of people practicing monogamy would gladly have sex with many other people if they were confident that their significant other would accept it and also wouldn't try to do the same.

This is true, and is also why I avoid these types of people when it comes to relationships. I'm not someone who finds the idea of having multiple partners appealing at all, even considering the bold.

Lol at people in here thinking in all absolutes

Absolutely, there are no absolutes with this stuff. That doesn't mean everyone should become polyamorists or polygamists. It just means people have different views on love and relationships (and sex). Though, I get the feeling this is your point.

Interesting where this thread has gone.
 
She told you about it the night of or night after?

If so that's a good sign

Perhaps ask her if she'd be okay with seeing less of her ex

I'd never try to make an ultimatum of it or anything though
 
That was intentional :p


I figured. :)

And I think it's the right sentiment. Don't have advice for OP at this point every single thing has been said, but man have a lot of people missed out on there being any room for nuance or complexity here.

Sometimes people have indiscretions. Sometimes they up and confess them. Sometimes they're sincere. Sometimes they aren't. OP's presented a situation nobody here is remotely qualified to answer directly, what with dude having been with this babe four years.

I wish GAF relationship threads were more people sharing relevant stories and less "dump the ho lol".
 
She told you about this because she wants to break up with you. Sometimes women don't actually want to hurt your feelings by just straight dumping you, so they do things that they hope will make you dump them. It's this weird self-sacrifice thing where she accepts being the heel in the relationship in exchange for being out of it. You can tell it's this kind of play because it's a minor thing like kissing. She doesn't want to be really awful, just awful enough to get dumped.

Also, you should very much play into that and get on your way. The longer you try to stick around, the more she'll escalate. Bail before you get hit with some real shit and end up hating her.

Legit. Not uncommon either.
 
...I wish GAF relationship threads were more people sharing relevant stories and less "dump the ho lol".

Yep, most people here like to jump straight to the "you're young, dump the broad, plenty of fish, etc". It's like no one has any idea how to actually communicate in a relationship and reach compromises to fix issues. Instead they jump IMMEDIATELY onto the simple solution.
 
Okay so, weird night. Girlfriend of 4 years comes to mine in tears saying that, the other night, her ex-boyfriend kissed her... and she reciprocated. Now they were about 16 when they split up, and we've been together 4 and a half years after that, so I never really thought them hanging out was an issue, I trusted her implicitly. He's always held a candle for her, and he's always made attempts to flirt with her. Over the 4 years we've been together, it's come down to me threatening him to stay away from her a few times.

Thing is, I never trusted him, but I always trusted her not to do anything. I never even dreamed she would. I mean, it's just a kiss right? That's what I told her. Everybody slips up, and if I fucked up like that I'd want her to forgive me. But thing is I never have, and I'm still pissed/upset obviously. She says she regrets it, and she's never going to see him again. I appreciate she told me, if I found out via other means I might have been way more annoyed.

I know going to GAF for relationship advice is pissing in the wind a little, but I plan to stay with her, and I don't really want to tell my friends/family about this because it might impact our future.

Similar thing happened to me...GF kissed a guy and called me in the middle of the night in tears, she obviously regretted it and felt bad enough to call me and tell me. I was mad at the time, and now we've been together 12 years (7 dating, 5 married), and have a child together.
 
Similar thing happened to me...GF kissed a guy and called me in the middle of the night in tears, she obviously regretted it and felt bad enough to call me and tell me. I was mad at the time, and now we've been together 12 years (7 dating, 5 married), and have a child together.

Well, you're raising a child together anyways. ;)

I kid Cranky. I kid.
 
I think you can stay with her. But be sure to hurt the guy and tell him to not get close to your girl ever again. Beat him up or something, don't tell your girlfriend about it.
 
Im not sure, but it was bound to happen, sooner or later...

You should´ve made it clear to her if you didnt like that guy or he was kind of affecting you and/or your relationship, in the end if she really likes you (Loves?) she would have given priority to you and your relationship with her.
Don't think that would have made any difference, it's probably just in her character to do these sort of things(not cheating per se, but finding it easy to break trust). People stop loving each other or fall in love with others but the right thing to do is talk about it and end the relationship properly, not to kiss an ex and then apologize for it.
 
Kissing just doesn't really seem like a big deal to me. She should feel bad about it but is this worth ending a good relationship over? I don't think so.

It's not about the kiss, why is that so hard for people to understand? She hung out with an ex she knew still liked her and they ended up kissing. That's breaking trust. Them fucking would be just as bad, it's just more personally insulting.
 
Real talk. Based on how she would react if you hang out with girls, she'd prolly leave you if the situation was reversed.

This.

I mean, the OP can't hang out with other girls but she can see her ex boyfriend? Yeah... Get the fuck outta here, bitch.

OP is asking for trouble i f he stays with this girl. World's of trouble and heart ache.
 
It's not about the kiss, why is that so hard for people to understand? She hung out with an ex she knew still liked her and they ended up kissing. That's breaking trust. Them fucking would be just as bad, it's just more personally insulting.

It doesn't necessarily need to be a dealbreaker...
 
This.

I mean, the OP can't hang out with other girls but she can see her ex boyfriend? Yeah... Get the fuck outta here, bitch.

OP is asking for trouble i f he stays with this girl. World's of trouble and heart ache.

Wait what did op mention this? Oh hell naw. I would be out like the proverbial trout.
 
That's up to him, it's just strange how people focus on the kiss and not the part that actually matters, betrayal and trust.

I understand, but it's an important thing that she told him right away and seemed remorseful. Now if she did that because she was really remorseful or because maybe she saw this as an out by having the OP initiate a breakup is a different story.

Trust can be rebuilt, they have 4 years of history, so it's understandable he doesn't necessarily want to throw that away.
 
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