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[vordhosbn]

What a disgusting double standard. If it was the other way around the boys would be rotting in prison.

 

[mavs]

Really now? So if it was the other way around you'd argue this same point? That the girl's mom should be the reasonable one and not press charges?

I'm saying the mom knows what's best for her son. If she thought he could take it I wouldn't question that. If she thinks he can't then I won't. It's pretty obvious why you would and would not want to press charges, seems like everyone in this thread can only grasp one set of consequences.

 

[ZephyrFate]

I'm saying the mom knows what's best for her son. If she thought he could take it I wouldn't question that. If she thinks he can't then I won't. It's pretty obvious why you would and would not want to press charges, seems like everyone in this thread can only grasp one set of consequences.

The reason people are up in arms is that if the situation was reversed, and it was a girl stripped naked, the perpetrators would be labeled as sex offenders on the spot and there would be no question of being reasonable.

It's only fair that the girls get the same treatment.

 

[El Sloth]

Wondering if the reaction would be the same if the genders were switched...

They would probably be charged for some kind of sex crime against a minor and have their names placed in that database of pedophiles.

 

[Ether_Snake]

What a load of bullshit and a stupid mom.

 

[ChocolateCupcakes]

I saw this awhile ago. So sad. I hope the kid doesn't suffer from any trauma.

 

[mavs]

The reason people are up in arms is that if the situation was reversed, and it was a girl stripped naked, the perpetrators would be labeled as sex offenders on the spot and there would be no question of being reasonable.

It's only fair that the girls get the same treatment.

Well then lucky break for the girls that life isn't fair, and lucky break for the boy that the outraged masses don't get to settle cosmic imbalances with his case.

 

[renitou]

Spineless mother, despicable girls, poor kid.

I wonder if they think rape would be funny if it happened to someone they knew and cared about.

 

[MetalAlien]

I gotta admit if that was my nephew I would be mad but probably wouldn't call the cops. If that was my niece and some older boys stripped her, I'd probably be in jail right now.

 

[Deleted member 74300]

Future porn stars.

 

[ZephyrFate]

Well then lucky break for the girls that life isn't fair, and lucky break for the boy that the outraged masses don't get to settle cosmic imbalances with his case.

Ah, yes, let's just dilute the situation with facetiousness.

We are truly getting somewhere with this discussion of sexist double standards.

 

[JABEE]

What news outlet is reporting this story as a prank? Is there anyway to contact them?

Edit: The police would only charge them with a misdemeanor? There is no equality before the law.

 

[Raist]

Too bad he wasn't near a beach.

 

[mavs]

Ah, yes, let's just dilute the situation with facetiousness.

We are truly getting somewhere with this discussion of sexist double standards.

I thought this discussion was about whether the best choice for the boy is to have him relive his experience in front of a live audience. His mother and I say no, everyone else in the world apparently says yes.

His mother has the right solution. If those girls have good mothers then they will get a speech they will never forget about how close their lives came to effectively ending and that will be that. If they don't have good mothers then that's too bad, but they were clearly headed toward a bad end anyway.

 

[ZephyrFate]

I thought this discussion was about whether the best choice for the boy is to have him relive his experience in front of a live audience. His mother and I say no, everyone else in the world apparently says yes.

His mother has the right solution. If those girls have good mothers then they will get a speech they will never forget about how close their lives came to effectively ending and that will be that. If they don't have good mothers then that's too bad, but they were clearly headed toward a bad end anyway.

Well, if this is the proper solution, then if the roles were reversed I expect the same slap on the wrist in the future. All that's needed is a good speech, right?

 

[ColonelColon]

Well, if this is the proper solution, then if the roles were reversed I expect the same slap on the wrist in the future. All that's needed is a good speech, right?

Or, the boy could get a few friends to help him pull the same prank. Then we'll call it even.

 

[Devolution]

I thought this discussion was about whether the best choice for the boy is to have him relive his experience in front of a live audience. His mother and I say no, everyone else in the world apparently says yes.

His mother has the right solution. If those girls have good mothers then they will get a speech they will never forget about how close their lives came to effectively ending and that will be that. If they don't have good mothers then that's too bad, but they were clearly headed toward a bad end anyway.

The fact that the media has already distributed this around makes your point moot. These girls deserve punishment.

The inaction on behalf of the school, police and family make it seem more like this was just a joke, and not unacceptable behavior deserving of punishment.

 

[mavs]

Well, if this is the proper solution, then if the roles were reversed I expect the same slap on the wrist in the future. All that's needed is a good speech, right?

If the sexes were reversed, I cannot imagine the situation being the same. But the same solution should work as well as it would on the girls.

The fact that the media has already distributed this around makes your point moot. These girls deserve punishment.

Whose point is moot? Is the OP out of date?

 

[X26]

mom did the right thing, the girls would not have received any real legal punishment, and it would just further humiliate her son by being a snitch or whatever

it's a lose-lose situation for the kid

 

[Dan Yo]

Or, the boy could get a few friends to help him pull the same prank. Then we'll call it even.

Yup. The punishment administered by the mothers should be to have them strip off their clothes in a room, stand in line, and have the boy come in and view them for a few minutes so they can feel what that humiliation is like.

 

[ZephyrFate]

mom did the right thing, the girls would not have received any real legal punishment, and it would just further humiliate her son by being a snitch or whatever

it's a lose-lose situation for the kid

That's the crux of the issue here, though.

WHY would the girls not have received any legal punishment? WHY is it that only when boys do it to girls that we're suddenly alarmed and get all crazy about it?

Women are not powerless victims, as we can see in this situation.

 

[Macattk15]

Holy fuck. Wow.

Those girls should definitely be punished. Even if the mother doesn't press charges ... something needs to be done about that shit. Not just "let their parents punish them" bullshit.

I mean sure if they wanna be typical bullies and push / slap a kid around ... fine I get that, some kids are dicks. But to hold a kid down against his will and strip him FULLY nude ... come on now ... that is disgusting.

 

[LocoMrPollock]

Reminds me of when I was raped by 3 fat chicks, and then they took me to Taco Bell. It's funny as hell when I tell the story to my friends, but if you switch it around, it becomes something horrific.

 

[X26]

Holy fuck. Wow.

Those girls should definitely be punished. Even if the mother doesn't press charges ... something needs to be done about that shit. Not just "let their parents punish them" bullshit.

I mean sure if they wanna be typical bullies and push / slap a kid around ... fine I get that, some kids are dicks. But to hold a kid down against his will and strip him FULLY nude ... come on now ... that is disgusting.

This is what I'm confused about, as if the roles were reversed and and the female victim's parents refused to press charges I doubt it would matter and the boys would be prosecuted regardless

 

[ZephyrFate]

This is what I'm confused about, as if the roles were reversed and and the female victim's parents refused to press charges I doubt it would matter and the boys would be prosecuted regardless

So even if the mom doesn't press charges, the girls should still be prosecuted regardless. See how this works?

 

[X26]

So even if the mom doesn't press charges, the girls should still be prosecuted regardless. See how this works?

Maybe the mom logically thought this as well, and now that the authorities have essentially said "lololol k thx, no paperwork" she's stuck knowing at worst the girls will be confined to their rooms with their computers, cell phones, ipod's, etc. for a single friday night

 

[Devolution]

If the sexes were reversed, I cannot imagine the situation being the same. But the same solution should work as well as it would on the girls.



Whose point is moot? Is the OP out of date?

If your argument was to prevent the boy from undergoing further trauma, the media already fucked the pooch on that. So at this point there is no reason not to punish these girls for their sections.

 

[ZephyrFate]

Maybe the mom logically thought this as well, and now that the authorities have essentially said "lololol k thx, no paperwork" she's stuck knowing at worst the girls will be confined to their rooms with their computers, cell phones, ipod's, etc. for a single friday night

Damn, I guess we should just give girls a free pass to sexually assault anyone.

Then you have the straight guys coming in here going "lol where were they when I was eleven", which just exacerbates the problem further.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

Reminds me of when I was raped by 3 fat chicks, and then they took me to Taco Bell. It's funny as hell when I tell the story to my friends, but if you switch it around, it becomes something horrific.

...?

 

[LocoMrPollock]

Damn, I guess we should just give girls a free pass to sexually assault anyone.

Then you have the straight guys coming in here going "lol where were they when I was eleven", which just exacerbates the problem further.

I don't think the assault was sexually motivated. Their intent was to humiliate and shame him. If it were dudes assaulting a female, their motives and intent would most likely be different.

I think they should definitely be punished, but charging them with sexual assault is going too far and would just ruin their lives, and to be fair, they are just dumb kids.

 

[the_log_ride]

...?

Yeah, what??

 

[ZephyrFate]

I don't think the assault was sexually motivated. Their intent was to humiliate and shame him. If it were dudes assaulting a female, their motives and intent would most likely be different.

I think they should definitely be punished, but charging them with sexual assault is going too far and would just ruin their lives, and to be fair, they are just dumb kids.

I don't know why they would "most likely be different". So men can't humiliate and shame a woman, their intent is always something more malicious?

 

[mavs]

If your argument was to prevent the boy from undergoing further trauma, the media already fucked the pooch on that. So at this point there is no reason not to punish these girls for their sections.

The pending trauma isn't having everybody know about it. The video of the ordeal is on youtube, that bullet was already spent.

 

[ColonelColon]

I don't think the assault was sexually motivated. Their intent was to humiliate and shame him. If it were dudes assaulting a female, their motives and intent would most likely be different.

I think they should definitely be punished, but charging them with sexual assault is going too far and would just ruin their lives, and to be fair, they are just dumb kids.

I'm not sure I understand how this would be any worse if it was somehow proven that these girls had sexual motivations. The end result is the same.

 

[LocoMrPollock]

Yeah, what??

...?

Happened when I was 18. I was home alone and bored and these girls that my brother had met on the bus called the house. I answered and decided to go hang out with them. Bad decision. These girls were huge. One of them was missing a few teeth. They were talking in fake British accents for some reason. Anyway, I was trying to figure out how to make my escape when one of them produced a 1/5 of tequila and I ended up drinking most of it and passed out. I woke up a few time with them on top of me, taking turns.

Later they took me to Taco Bell and then dropped me off at my house. I crawled through the window and my brother was home and I told him what had happened and he just started laughing and ate my gordita.

 

[LocoMrPollock]

I don't know why they would "most likely be different". So men can't humiliate and shame a woman, their intent is always something more malicious?

Well, thats why I said "most likely."

In this case, we know it wasn't sexually motivated, and that changes everything.

Motive and intent plays a large part in the Law.

 

[Dan Yo]

I don't think the assault was sexually motivated. Their intent was to humiliate and shame him. If it were dudes assaulting a female, their motives and intent would most likely be different.

I think they should definitely be punished, but charging them with sexual assault is going too far and would just ruin their lives, and to be fair, they are just dumb kids.

Remembering my experiences with the girls during that age, and my recollection of what my little sister was like during that age, I would have to say that your assumptions on the matter are ridiculous. Girls can, will, and have pulled "pranks" like this for the very reason of viewing the parts of the opposite sex.

I swear, when I hear people make claims about girls and their apparent lack of sexual motivation, I get the impression that their dealings with the opposite sex are extremely limited and more shaped by what they've seen on television rather than actual experience.

 

[ZephyrFate]

Well, thats why I said "most likely."

In this case, we know it wasn't sexually motivated, and that changes everything.

Motive and intent plays a large part in the Law.

It's still assault, regardless of how we spin it.

Women are just as likely of doing this to men as men are to women.

 

[Parallax]

Reminds me of when I was raped by 3 fat chicks, and then they took me to Taco Bell. It's funny as hell when I tell the story to my friends, but if you switch it around, it becomes something horrific.

...that doesnt seem funny either way.

Happened when I was 18. I was home alone and bored and these girls that my brother had met on the bus called the house. I answered and decided to go hang out with them. Bad decision. These girls were huge. One of them was missing a few teeth. They were talking in fake British accents for some reason. Anyway, I was trying to figure out how to make my escape when one of them produced a 1/5 of tequila and I ended up drinking most of it and passed out. I woke up a few time with them on top of me, taking turns.

Later they took me to Taco Bell and then dropped me off at my house. I crawled through the window and my brother was home and I told him what had happened and he just started laughing and ate my gordita.

...holy fuck dude.

 

[Devolution]

I don't think the assault was sexually motivated. Their intent was to humiliate and shame him. If it were dudes assaulting a female, their motives and intent would most likely be different.

I think they should definitely be punished, but charging them with sexual assault is going too far and would just ruin their lives, and to be fair, they are just dumb kids.

We already had this discussion. It's sexual assault. Girls and women are capable of it. End of story.

 

[ChronicleX]

Women are just as likely of doing this to men as men are to women.

When women do it, it's a prank. When men do it, it is rape.

As for Pollock, I am not even going to quote you.

 

[LocoMrPollock]

Remembering my experiences with the girls during that age, and my recollection of what my little sister was like during that age, I would have to say that your assumptions on the matter are ridiculous. Girls can, will, and have pulled "pranks" like this for the very reason of viewing the parts of the opposite sex.

I swear, when I hear people make claims about girls and their apparent lack of sexual motivation, I get the impression that their dealings with the opposite sex are extremely limited and more shaped by what they've seen on television rather than actual experience.

Well viewing the video, do you think it was sexually motivated?

 

[ZephyrFate]

Well viewing the video, do you think it was sexually motivated?

When is stripping someone naked NOT sexually motivated? It's shaming and humiliating someone for their nudity, or perhaps to 'see their junk', which is probably why these girls did it in the first place.

 

[Dan Yo]

Well viewing the video, do you think it was sexually motivated?

As in they wanted to view his parts? Absolutely.

 

[X26]

Happened when I was 18. I was home alone and bored and these girls that my brother had met on the bus called the house. I answered and decided to go hang out with them. Bad decision. These girls were huge. One of them was missing a few teeth. They were talking in fake British accents for some reason. Anyway, I was trying to figure out how to make my escape when one of them produced a 1/5 of tequila and I ended up drinking most of it and passed out. I woke up a few time with them on top of me, taking turns.

Later they took me to Taco Bell and then dropped me off at my house. I crawled through the window and my brother was home and I told him what had happened and he just started laughing and ate my gordita.

new thread for new news

 

[daw840]

Males have certain advantages over women, and women have certain advantages over men. It all evens itself out in the end. Men make more, women control everything. Women get a slap on the wrist, men get the book thrown at them. This is just the way of things. It's fair if you look at the big picture, actually it may even be more swayed towards the female side of things slightly. With that voodoo punani and all.

 

[ZephyrFate]

Males have certain advantages over women, and women have certain advantages over men. It all evens itself out in the end. Men make more, women control everything. Women get a slap on the wrist, men get the book thrown at them. This is just the way of things. It's fair if you look at the big picture, actually it may even be more swayed towards the female side of things slightly. With that voodoo punani and all.

What world are you living in that any of this is really true?

And why exactly is this a fair world in any possible reality?

 

[Crazyorloco]

What a great prank!!!

They wanted to see his dick for Christ sakes. This is sexual assault.

 

[daw840]

What world are you living in that any of this is really true?

And why exactly is this a fair world in any possible reality?

The real world? Regarding the "fair" comment, I never said the whole world is fair. I was more talking about the men/women thing. At least in the US. I don't have the perspective to say about anywhere else.

 

[Devolution]

The real world? Regarding the "fair" comment, I never said the whole world is fair. I was more talking about the men/women thing. At least in the US. I don't have the perspective to say about anywhere else.

Shit's unfair, let's all go home. Why bother trying to change the status quo or make more people aware of social injustice.