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[Liberty4all]

My Panasonic Plasma just doesn't want to die. I think it would have still kept going for another 10 years but I felt like I was falling behind tech wise.

Ended up buying a https://www.sony.ca/en/electronics/televisions/xbr-x850f-series#related_products_dynamic_default

Is it going to be a crazy difference? Like how I felt when u went from CRT to 1080p?

I know this particular sony model has some issues handling blacks, hoping I don't end up missing my Panny.

 

[SlaughterX]

Shoulda went OLED, but yes... it will be an improvement.

 

[Liberty4all]

Shoulda went OLED, but yes... it will be an improvement.

What's the difference? The Oleds I looked at seemed more pricey...

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

What's the difference? The Oleds I looked at seemed more pricey...

Darker blacks.

Test out some 4k movies on your new tv and see if you like it.

 

[mekes]

Tv’s these days, especially in the category of the model you’ve bought.. You just want to get one with no issues, getting that in itself is the jackpot. A high quality LED display can look incredible as long as there are no backlight issues etc.

You’ll get a nice boost over the old plasma, especially if you throw some high bitrate video on it. UHD blu rays obviously being the best you can currently hope for. The difference in that versus streaming 4K is really quite large. I have 2 4K TVs. A Samsung and a Panasonic, both were top of their range from 2-3 years back. The first UHD I watched was Sicario. The Panasonic handles 4K content a little different than my Samsung. Panasonic really nails that theatrical vibe from the video, whereas the Samsung was a little more bombastic/demo reel like. I can’t comment first hand on the Sony you’ve bought, but I have heard it is good.

Fingers crossed you get sent a perfect display

 

[The Pleasure]

You might be in for a downgrade. LED's aren't as good viewing angle wide. That and their blacks suck and don't have true 24 frame conversion unless you get a good one. Go for OLED if you want something closer to the plasma's movement, viewing angle and black levels.

 

[Liberty4all]

Tv’s these days, especially in the category of the model you’ve bought.. You just want to get one with no issues, getting that in itself is the jackpot. A high quality LED display can look incredible as long as there are no backlight issues etc.

You’ll get a nice boost over the old plasma, especially if you throw some high bitrate video on it. UHD blu rays obviously being the best you can currently hope for. The difference in that versus streaming 4K is really quite large. I have 2 4K TVs. A Samsung and a Panasonic, both were top of their range from 2-3 years back. The first UHD I watched was Sicario. The Panasonic handles 4K content a little different than my Samsung. Panasonic really nails that theatrical vibe from the video, whereas the Samsung was a little more bombastic/demo reel like. I can’t comment first hand on the Sony you’ve bought, but I have heard it is good.

Fingers crossed you get sent a perfect display

Yeah I kind of figured at this point literally ANY TV would be an upgrade. The Bravia I picked out gets middling reviews on darks which I'm worried about coming from a plasma. With that said if heard it's 4K upscaling of HD content is amazing and that's what I feel I've been missing out on.

Yeah worried about getting a good panel since it's coming from Amazon and I Iive 42 stories up. Really don't want to have to deal with returns.

 

[Liberty4all]

For reference this is my old plasma:

Amazon.com: Panasonic TH-42PZ77U 42-Inch 1080p Plasma HDTV : Everything Else

Amazon.com: Panasonic TH-42PZ77U 42-Inch 1080p Plasma HDTV : Everything Else

www.amazon.com

You might be in for a downgrade. LED's aren't as good viewing angle wide. That and their blacks suck and don't have true 24 frame conversion unless you get a good one. Go for OLED if you want something closer to the plasma's movement, viewing angle and black levels.

I've heard that. Oleds were going to cost too much. I really wanted a huge screen but had a tight budget. Only managed to snag this one as Amazon Canada had a deal on it 600 off.

 

[The Pleasure]

Yeah I kind of figured at this point literally ANY TV would be an upgrade. The Bravia I picked out gets middling reviews on darks which I'm worried about coming from a plasma. With that said if heard it's 4K upscaling of HD content is amazing and that's what I feel I've been missing out on.

Yeah worried about getting a good panel since it's coming from Amazon and I Iive 42 stories up. Really don't want to have to deal with returns.

At that price you should have went LG OLED. But I hear that Panasonic is still in the Canadian market and has some really good OLED tvs. The things are expensive as hell though, but I'm told they have an even greater theatrical feel than the LG and Sony OLEDs.

The TV I use right now is a Panasonic 65 inch VT25. Essentially their top of the line. Thing is beautiful. Those later end plasmas were damn near god tier and only OLED can satisfy that itch.

EDIT

Looked at the release date of that plasma tv you had. That's not even when Plasmas really hit their stride. The 2011-2013 Plasma sets in the high end were damn near ungodly picture wise. And even now still hold up next to the mid tier stuff and doesn't look like a huge jump. And I have a 4k tv too. But the motion isn't quite right. That soap opera effect and the 60-120hz doesn't multiply into the 24f properly.

 

[bitbydeath]

I’m still running two Panasonic Plasmas.
Excellent TV’s that just keep on ticking.

My next TV will probably still be a Panasonic though, don’t think I could ever leave them.

 

[The Pleasure]

I’m still running two Panasonic Plasmas.
Excellent TV’s that just keep on ticking.

My next TV will probably still be a Panasonic though, don’t think I could ever leave them.

Panasonic pulled out of the US TV Market. You're going to go to Canada and you are NOT going to like the price. But shit that picture quality. Look at my avatar to see the luminous glory that is a Panasonic OLED.

 

[Pejo]

OLED is the next upgrade I make, but how bad do you guys notice burn in? I didn't even realize it was still a thing until reading some articles last year. I'd be using it for quite a bit of gaming with fixed HUDs, so I'm a little concerned about that.

 

[The Pleasure]

For reference this is my old plasma:

Amazon.com: Panasonic TH-42PZ77U 42-Inch 1080p Plasma HDTV : Everything Else

Amazon.com: Panasonic TH-42PZ77U 42-Inch 1080p Plasma HDTV : Everything Else

www.amazon.com

I've heard that. Oleds were going to cost too much. I really wanted a huge screen but had a tight budget. Only managed to snag this one as Amazon Canada had a deal on it 600 off.

It's not about size, but the quality of the picture. You could get a Seiko 75 inch for like 500-600 bucks. I hope by the time that I finish school and have a job, that OLED tvs will be about 1500-2000 for a good 65-70 inch. But until then, I have a 65 inch Panasonic Plasma that's still going strong. Thing weighs 200+ lbs and I am not moving that any time soon.

 

[Liberty4all]

At that price you should have went LG OLED. But I hear that Panasonic is still in the Canadian market and has some really good OLED tvs. The things are expensive as hell though, but I'm told they have an even greater theatrical feel than the LG and Sony OLEDs.

The TV I use right now is a Panasonic 65 inch VT25. Essentially their top of the line. Thing is beautiful. Those later end plasmas were damn near god tier and only OLED can satisfy that itch.

EDIT

Looked at the release date of that plasma tv you had. That's not even when Plasmas really hit their stride. The 2011-2013 Plasma sets in the high end were damn near ungodly picture wise. And even now still hold up next to the mid tier stuff and doesn't look like a huge jump. And I have a 4k tv too. But the motion isn't quite right. That soap opera effect and the 60-120hz doesn't multiply into the 24f properly.

Mid to high end sets up here in Canada are really expensive compared to the states. I had to compromise to get something affordable. Was able to snag the set for 1098 CAD which is around 850 or so USD. It was 600 off for Prime days. (Probably could be bought up here for around 1300 on sale normally).

My biggest compromise was the lack of Dolby Vision. Worried I don't end up regretting that.

 

[TrainedRage]

Op I suggest getting an AppleTV 4k edition (199$). Even though I didn't do the Netflix 4k update everything looks sharper and more detailed. Watching 4K YouTube videos is pretty fun.

 

[The Pleasure]

Mid to high end sets up here in Canada are really expensive compared to the states. I had to compromise to get something affordable. Was able to snag the set for 1098 CAD which is around 850 or so USD. It was 600 off for Prime days. (Probably could be bought up here for around 1300 on sale normally).

My biggest compromise was the lack of Dolby Vision. Worried I don't end up regretting that.

They're not really much cheaper in the states. My VT25 retailed at like 5-6k back in 2011. I waited until it was like 1k used to get it. And the picture quality is still amazing on that thing. If you intend to watch a lot of movies that aren't 4k, I'd say a good plasma will still play them better. Unless you intend on going pure 4k for the television and not streaming 4k as that looks like worse 1080p picture quality wise.

 

[Liberty4all]

Op I suggest getting an AppleTV 4k edition (199$). Even though I didn't do the Netflix 4k update everything looks sharper and more detailed. Watching 4K YouTube videos is pretty fun.

I literally just bought a 4K fire stick (im deep in Amazon Eco system thanks to my Alexa fetish). But I run a bunch of apple devices too. I'll definitely check that out.

 

[The Pleasure]

I literally just bought a 4K fire stick (im deep in Amazon Eco system thanks to my Alexa fetish). But I run a bunch of apple devices too. I'll definitely check that out.

Alexa is listening to you spank it. Unplug her when you watch your porno otherwise she'll call you a dirty dirty boy!

 

[mekes]

Yeah I kind of figured at this point literally ANY TV would be an upgrade. The Bravia I picked out gets middling reviews on darks which I'm worried about coming from a plasma. With that said if heard it's 4K upscaling of HD content is amazing and that's what I feel I've been missing out on.

Yeah worried about getting a good panel since it's coming from Amazon and I Iive 42 stories up. Really don't want to have to deal with returns.

My luck has been such that in buying a new TV I now just prepare for the worst and treat it like it’s going to take months to get right. But maybe my luck is just bad. I’m a member on a large AV site so I’ve seen that not everybody has bad luck, but it’s a lot more than the 1-2% that’s common for electronics. I may be wrong on that number.

Fingers crossed for you getting a good screen! But if you don’t, and I’m sure you know you don’t always notice right away. Make sure you do send it back, as you’re spending good money. I did one swap with my Samsung and 2 with my Panasonic. Some tests I like to run are dark scenes, football and letterboxed content. The Samsung struggled with letterbox, Panasonic with football.

I do think there’s every chance you’ll be impressed. Dark scenes haven’t been an issue on either of my sets (once swapped and getting good screens). Letterbox for example, blends in perfectly with the border of the tv, even when there’s very bright HDR scenes happening. I’m confident enough in saying as long as you get that good screen, you’ll be happy with your purchase. I do believe that!

Please post your impressions once you get it set up

 

[Liberty4all]

They're not really much cheaper in the states. My VT25 retailed at like 5-6k back in 2011. I waited until it was like 1k used to get it. And the picture quality is still amazing on that thing. If you intend to watch a lot of movies that aren't 4k, I'd say a good plasma will still play them better. Unless you intend on going pure 4k for the television and not streaming 4k as that looks like worse 1080p picture quality wise.

Honestly we will probably be streaming almost everything. I do have a cable package right now but it's steeply discounted and the deal is about to end so I'll likely cord cut again.

 

[Liberty4all]

My luck has been such that in buying a new TV I now just prepare for the worst and treat it like it’s going to take months to get right. But maybe my luck is just bad. I’m a member on a large AV site so I’ve seen that not everybody has bad luck, but it’s a lot more than the 1-2% that’s common for electronics. I may be wrong on that number.

Fingers crossed for you getting a good screen! But if you don’t, and I’m sure you know you don’t always notice right away. Make sure you do send it back, as you’re spending good money. I did one swap with my Samsung and 2 with my Panasonic. Some tests I like to run are dark scenes, football and letterboxed content. The Samsung struggled with letterbox, Panasonic with football.

I do think there’s every chance you’ll be impressed. Dark scenes haven’t been an issue on either of my sets (once swapped and getting good screens). Letterbox for example, blends in perfectly with the border of the tv, even when there’s very bright HDR scenes happening. I’m confident enough in saying as long as you get that good screen, you’ll be happy with your purchase. I do believe that!

Please post your impressions once you get it set up

I was in best buy a month or so ago and was like damnnnnn looking at every screen. Hasn't looked at TV's in ages and realized how far behind my TV had gotten. I mean it still is a great 1080p set but I realized yeah it's time to upgrade.

The Panasonic I own has an anti glare coating on the screen that even back then people felt it wrecked the "pop" effect.

 

[TrainedRage]

I literally just bought a 4K fire stick (im deep in Amazon Eco system thanks to my Alexa fetish). But I run a bunch of apple devices too. I'll definitely check that out.

Should work the same. Enjoy!!!!
Oh here see if you can watch this on your TV.....

 

[bitbydeath]

Panasonic pulled out of the US TV Market. You're going to go to Canada and you are NOT going to like the price. But shit that picture quality. Look at my avatar to see the luminous glory that is a Panasonic OLED.

$4,000 in Australia for a UHD 65” OLED.
Still tempted, Panasonics are worth it.
Not getting anything til next year though.

 

[mekes]

The Panasonic I own has an anti glare coating on the screen that even back then people felt it wrecked the "pop" effect.

I’m sure they still do something to that regard. Sometimes my Samsung honestly feels like more of a window than a TV when it has UHD disc content. Whereas the Panasonic lacks that, but is just damn smooth and performs well in all areas, All I knows is that the buffs out there love the Panasonic for that performance it has.

And it is great with movies, But so many of us will be gaming, streaming and doing so much with the sets that I think perhaps my preferences do lay with the pop factor. It’s nice for gaming and HDR content.

 

[Pagusas]

Has Sony left Android TV yet for their OS? I’ll never give them money again so long as they key that shit hole. Worst TV is by a long mile. How they can pair such good hardware with such bad software is mind boggling.

 

[TaySan]

OLED is the sequel to Plasma. Worth the price.

 

[Pagusas]

OLED is the sequel to Plasma. Worth the price.

And MicroLED will destroy OLED’s market just like LCD did Plasma’s, except MicroLED will be the better tech this time around.

 

[cr0w]

You might shit your pants. Just so you know.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Better double check how susceptible the OLED tv is to burn in. Get a QLED if want no risk of burn ins.

 

[TaySan]

Better double check how susceptible the OLED tv is to burn in. Get a QLED if want no risk of burn ins.

I use my LGB7A as a PC monitor and i don't have any burn-in whatsoever.

 

[The Pleasure]

Better double check how susceptible the OLED tv is to burn in. Get a QLED if want no risk of burn ins.

Qled is the new duke nukem forever.

 

[Ulysses 31]

I use my LGB7A as a PC monitor and i don't have any burn-in whatsoever.

And I used an LG OLED and got burn ins.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

And I used an LG OLED and got burn ins.

You fell for the OLED meme.

 

[triplestation]

 

[ScHlAuChi]

I did the exact same thing as you OP - switched from my 50" Panasonic Plasma (which was amazing) to a 65" Sony Bravia - and dont regret it - perfect for gaming!

 

[M.W.]

You're behind the times, 8K is where it's at.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

You're behind the times, 8K is where it's at.

What are you playing at 8k? Minecraft?

 

[M.W.]

What are you playing at 8k? Minecraft?

Life

 

[Liberty4all]

I did the exact same thing as you OP - switched from my 50" Panasonic Plasma (which was amazing) to a 65" Sony Bravia - and dont regret it - perfect for gaming!

It just felt like it was time. I felt sorta bad, nothings wrong with my Panasonic. It’s just well it’s been 10 years lol. I honestly think it would last 10 more.

As a 1080p TV it’s been amazing.

 

[lachesis]

I always wanted a Pioneer Kuro myself - but never was able to afford it. After my divorce, though - I thought it would be a treat for myself to give me a screen that I wanted for a change, so I jumped from 55 Sony LED to 65 inch LG OLED with no regrets. Absolutely stunning visual quality.

Having said so, I think you'll enjoy your big screen. It's a considerable jump in size - 20 some inches - so even though the picture quality you may notice a bit of difference in black levels on your Sony - but big screen certainly makes a huge difference when watching movies or playing an epic game. OLEDs are surely nice - but it is indeed pretty expensive. I'm hoping that it will satisfy my needs for at least coming 5+ years, if not 10.

Anyhow, best of luck to you, OP!

 

[Allforce]

Man I'm in the TV-review hole right now, going from a 50" Vizio I bought in like...2012 to trying to decide between a 65" and 75" screen now. I really don't want to spend more than 1000 bucks but I do have 300+ bucks in Amazon Rewards sitting out there burning a hole in my digital wallet.

I'm basically down to a TCL but unclear on if I should buy smaller screen but better reviews (6-series 65") or larger screen and worse reviews (4-series 75").

I've been buying HDTVs since 2003 and I keep going back to the #1 rule, "after 2 months you're going to regret not buying the bigger one".

 

[pel1300]

So LCD TVs have finally surpassed plasma?

I remember hardcore home theater consumers would keep insisting nothing compares to a Pioneer plasma, and if not that then in 2nd place a panasonic plasma in the late 2000s.

Nevertheless I settled on a 2007 top of the line Sony LCD 1080p.....to this day it looks great - even as a PC monitor when I connect my laptop to it.

I wouldn't bother with 4k unless my TV was at least 60+ inches, if if I was sitting 5 ft away from it and using it as a PC monitor.

 

[Luffytubby]

I am intrigued by Smart TVs as just keeping track and downsizing my digital into the TV itself seems like a no brainer. But the first smart TVs had these slow, sluggish interfaces. Now some of them seem really snappy and powerful. It's a real computer inside the TV with storage and SSD.
Want to remove clutter from under the TV. Only want a soundbar and a console. Get rid of the Roku and Apple TV. And be logged into all the streaming services on the TV with just one remote.

It's really weird to me that even expensive TVs can have these insanely terrible remote controls. They tend to look terrible, they feel like cheap plastic, way to many buttons. I'd rather have a slate tablet that I can customize with haptic feedback and have it turn on when I use it. So I can only customize the size, layout, colors and positions of the functions I want on my remote. Using a remote control with a TV has always been a bad user experience. The way the TV finds your connected sources, the way you have all these bad undermenus in a maze. The bad way of organizing color profiles. There is so much wrong with TVs besides the TVs IQ itself.


The new top LEDs from Sony and Samsung have me intrigued. Their contrast levels are getting very close to OLED but without the disadvantages of image retention.


I got an expensive top of the line LG 60 plasma 9 years ago and I regret it so fuck. Fuck that shit. When you use your TV as a Deskop monitor, watch the same channel or play the same game for many hours in a row, retention builds up. And even though it might not be real burnin, it still sucks. Plasma also got darker and darker over time as the crystals in the display faded. It used a retarded amount of energy. It more than quadrupled my energy bill (I used it a lot though. Was on constantly).

Yes, Plasma has superior color, contrast and viewing angles but it came at a cost that sucked dick. Im not going on OLED until image retention issues are a non issue for heavy users with static elements showing.


I like the Samsung method of removing all the I/O input down in a separate box with almost invisible fiber optic cable. It's a great idea.


At the same time, I think the degredation of sound has reached a point where many of these Smart TVs should at least have a SKU with a good soundbar. For most apartment dwellers in most big cities dedicated speakers and sorround systems doesnt make a whole lot of sense. I find it to be a jungle to browse at TVs and look at soundbars that fit aesthetically and in size. Its mandatory to get a secondary audio source with the speaker quality these days. While its never been as good as a surround system, these days you have top TVs that seem to produce worse sound than your macbook pro (no hyperbole).

Its just something to keep in mind OP! If you live in a house, get some nice speakers. They dont have to be expensive to get the job done! Its so important to your audio-visual experience to have better sound than the build in speakers.

 

[Ulysses 31]

snip

How much money you got to burn? I went with a 2nd gen 65" 8K Samsung TV and I'm very happy with it. After tweaking the colors and game mode, console games look and play very well too!

For sound I went with a Sonos Playbase with Subwoofer and 2 Sonos One speakers, games sound much better too! But you could also go all out with an Atmos 13.2/9.24 setup!

 

[Chairman Tickles]

I remember our first 42 inch LCD monster. $8,000 well spent. In the end we gave it to a friend. It refused to die.

 

[Luffytubby]

How much money you got to burn? I went with a 2nd gen 65" 8K Samsung TV and I'm very happy with it. After tweaking the colors and game mode, console games look and play very well too!

For sound I went with a Sonos Playbase with Subwoofer and 2 Sonos One speakers, games sound much better too! But you could also go all out with an Atmos 13.2/9.24 setup!

I don't know. Sony XBR65X900F looks really nice. On sale now on amazon for under 1500. Still have ways to go before I make the upgrade.

 

[SlaughterX]

He said earlier he lives on the 42nd floor, so I am pretty sure he's living in an apartment or condo. Anyway in TV speakers have never been great and if you're an enthusiast of such things then you have always had an AVR and at least a nice pair of stereo speakers on deck.

OLED is the next upgrade I make, but how bad do you guys notice burn in? I didn't even realize it was still a thing until reading some articles last year. I'd be using it for quite a bit of gaming with fixed HUDs, so I'm a little concerned about that.

I have 2 OLEDs, both were used extensively as a PC monitor and gaming and I have no image retention issues.

I literally just bought a 4K fire stick (im deep in Amazon Eco system thanks to my Alexa fetish). But I run a bunch of apple devices too. I'll definitely check that out.

Don't spend $200 on an Apple TV, spend the extra $100 or so and get an Xbox One X and be able to actually watch 4k UHD Blu-Ray discs and play (some) games in native 4k.

Man I'm in the TV-review hole right now, going from a 50" Vizio I bought in like...2012 to trying to decide between a 65" and 75" screen now. I really don't want to spend more than 1000 bucks but I do have 300+ bucks in Amazon Rewards sitting out there burning a hole in my digital wallet.

I'm basically down to a TCL but unclear on if I should buy smaller screen but better reviews (6-series 65") or larger screen and worse reviews (4-series 75").

I've been buying HDTVs since 2003 and I keep going back to the #1 rule, "after 2 months you're going to regret not buying the bigger one".

Nah mayne, go for the better quality, always, bigger isn't always better when quality takes a hit. That goes for diamonds too. Plus 65 is still plenty bigger than 50 so it will still be a big upgrade for you!

 

[tkscz]

Because you're going to 4k from 1080p, you'll notice a sharper image due to the increase in resolution, however, because you are going from Plasma to LED, you'll notice some decrease in color quality. LED tvs have issues getting darker colors and things can look a little washed out in comparison to plasma.

 

[Liberty4all]

I am intrigued by Smart TVs as just keeping track and downsizing my digital into the TV itself seems like a no brainer. But the first smart TVs had these slow, sluggish interfaces. Now some of them seem really snappy and powerful. It's a real computer inside the TV with storage and SSD.
Want to remove clutter from under the TV. Only want a soundbar and a console. Get rid of the Roku and Apple TV. And be logged into all the streaming services on the TV with just one remote.

It's really weird to me that even expensive TVs can have these insanely terrible remote controls. They tend to look terrible, they feel like cheap plastic, way to many buttons. I'd rather have a slate tablet that I can customize with haptic feedback and have it turn on when I use it. So I can only customize the size, layout, colors and positions of the functions I want on my remote. Using a remote control with a TV has always been a bad user experience. The way the TV finds your connected sources, the way you have all these bad undermenus in a maze. The bad way of organizing color profiles. There is so much wrong with TVs besides the TVs IQ itself.


The new top LEDs from Sony and Samsung have me intrigued. Their contrast levels are getting very close to OLED but without the disadvantages of image retention.


I got an expensive top of the line LG 60 plasma 9 years ago and I regret it so fuck. Fuck that shit. When you use your TV as a Deskop monitor, watch the same channel or play the same game for many hours in a row, retention builds up. And even though it might not be real burnin, it still sucks. Plasma also got darker and darker over time as the crystals in the display faded. It used a retarded amount of energy. It more than quadrupled my energy bill (I used it a lot though. Was on constantly).

Yes, Plasma has superior color, contrast and viewing angles but it came at a cost that sucked dick. Im not going on OLED until image retention issues are a non issue for heavy users with static elements showing.


I like the Samsung method of removing all the I/O input down in a separate box with almost invisible fiber optic cable. It's a great idea.


At the same time, I think the degredation of sound has reached a point where many of these Smart TVs should at least have a SKU with a good soundbar. For most apartment dwellers in most big cities dedicated speakers and sorround systems doesnt make a whole lot of sense. I find it to be a jungle to browse at TVs and look at soundbars that fit aesthetically and in size. Its mandatory to get a secondary audio source with the speaker quality these days. While its never been as good as a surround system, these days you have top TVs that seem to produce worse sound than your macbook pro (no hyperbole).

Its just something to keep in mind OP! If you live in a house, get some nice speakers. They dont have to be expensive to get the job done! Its so important to your audio-visual experience to have better sound than the build in speakers.

I actually did buy a Polk Command Bar a few days before the TV . It's got Alexa built in, came with a subwoofer and for the cost the sound quality is what you would get from when more expensive bars.

It arrived a few days ago and is amazing, especially in my condo where you can lower background music but turn up voice.. Has a sick night mode too. I liked it so much I felt I needed to upgrade my TV too lol

 

[Liberty4all]

I don't know. Sony XBR65X900F looks really nice. On sale now on amazon for under 1500. Still have ways to go before I make the upgrade.

That's the TV I really wanted but cost 2200 CAD. It supports Dolby Vision and has better back light dimming. These were the two trade offs I made going with the 850 instead... But the 850 cost 1000 less being on sale too.

Tv arrives Monday very excited.