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Goku Vs. Superman - Settled Once and For All
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We all do buddy ....... here, have some #DIRTYLAUNDRY meanwhile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc
Z-warriors vs the Annhilators
Is there any other team that even comes close to this one in pure brokenness? Even their mascot packs a punch.
Sentry is massively overrated. Thankfully Thor killed him off and the marvel writers had the good sense to keep him dead.
That's not even a fair fight. No one in Dragon ball can take Silver Surfer, but then again neither could Superman.
A funny one would be Goku vs Galactus, not in a straight fight but would Goku's energy be enough to feed Galactus so he wouldn't need to eat a planet for a while?
Z-warriors vs the Annhilators
I like that Beta Ray Bill has a sense of humor.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Bob allowed Thor to kill him. He can come back if he wants to.
And I dont think goku is enough to fuel Galactus' hunger
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Maybe not direct kill but Goku could have just wished stuff like "I wish a planet full of Kryptonite appears near Superman" or "I wish the sun is no more" or something to that effect.
Apparently Bills (the villain God in the upcoming movie which will be canon to the main storyline) can destroy a full galaxy.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Bills
The wiki got it from latest issue of V-Jump, so just background information on abilities of Bills. I hope it takes less than a fusion to bring him down but I doubt that will happen, heh. He is toying with Ssj3 Goku in one of the screens.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Bills
The wiki got it from latest issue of V-Jump, so just background information on abilities of Bills. I hope it takes less than a fusion to bring him down but I doubt that will happen, heh. He is toying with Ssj3 Goku in one of the screens.
BladeoftheImmortal
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anyone post this yet?
DonasaurusRex
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indeed goku would be worthy.....oh shit
SolarPowered
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We are fucking done here. I love you, GAF.
anyone post this yet?
ajim
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anyone post this yet?
lol
Hot Coldman
Banned
Superman could lift Mjolnir too. Just saying.
yeah yeah Thor granted him the power to use it or whatever, shut the fuck up nerd
HollovVpo1nt
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How? One if from Marvel universe, the other is from DC. How is any interaction between the two canon? Genuine question.
There's no "air of limitation" around either character. Both are so very obviously the center of their respective universes that it's nigh on impossible to imagine that they would die or lose in any significant or meaningful way. In some ways, Goku/Dragon Ball is worse about this since you know that every character will "level up" exactly in the nick of time.
In other news, the Flash is still the king. Long live the king!
Choppasmith
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anyone post this yet?
Aaand saved.
And it's been officially deemed canon too. Great read.
evil solrac v3.0
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is that going to be our next round table discussion? I've barely recovered from this one.
how does Goku even know of Kryptonite and why would Goku wish away an enemy that could be stronger than him? he'll be chomping at the bit to fight him.
JLA/Avengers. it's pretty good.
So for all the debate, has anyone come up with a plausible way for Goku to beat Superman in a fair fight?
I mean, there's lots of technically unfair ways, i.e. Goku uses kryptonite, Goku teleports them to one of those suns that weaken him, Goku gets a magical friend/weapon and uses that...
So has anyone come up with a way for Goku to beat him, one on one? Overall, their strengths are pretty even so it really comes down to who can outlast the other, and as much as I like Goku, Superman seems infinitely powerful as long as he has the sun.
Only way I can see Goku win is hitting Supes with an attack that overpowers his sun-fuelled power, which basically means some sort of Spirit Bomb that uses more power than the Sun.
Some sort of Universe-Spirit bomb, maybe?
I mean, there's lots of technically unfair ways, i.e. Goku uses kryptonite, Goku teleports them to one of those suns that weaken him, Goku gets a magical friend/weapon and uses that...
So has anyone come up with a way for Goku to beat him, one on one? Overall, their strengths are pretty even so it really comes down to who can outlast the other, and as much as I like Goku, Superman seems infinitely powerful as long as he has the sun.
Only way I can see Goku win is hitting Supes with an attack that overpowers his sun-fuelled power, which basically means some sort of Spirit Bomb that uses more power than the Sun.
Some sort of Universe-Spirit bomb, maybe?
HollovVpo1nt
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Well, nothing concrete. But, from how Dragonball works and progressed so far, I've noticed that Goku has gotten stronger and stronger once his loved ones were in danger. In a casual fight I think Superman would beat Goku. But when the lives of innocent were at stake, I think Goku would find a way to yet again exceed his limits and become stronger. This is speculation on my side. Goku is also a very skilled/smart fighter. I think that if he realised that Supes draws his power from the sun, he'd use that to his advantage (solar flares).
As long as the sun is there, it acts as an infinite senzu bean for Supes. Goku has stamina, but not infinite stamine.
Depending on how the fight unravels, both could be the winner.
Dragonball has shown that Endurance is the winning card for many, many battles. The "strength" battles tend to be over really fast (or really drawn out until they're at their last breath, if they're equal).
Examples: It was how the Androids were able to beat Saiyins, their infinite stamina.
SSj Goku beat Freeza because Freeza's full powered body just couldn't last.
Buu was unbeatable for almost every fight, not because he was stronger per se but because he could simply keep going and going and going until the fighters simply could not fight anymore.
It's also why Cell beat Goku. While they both were worn down immensely after the Warp Kamehameha, Cell still had more stamina and would've beaten Goku eventually.
HOWEVER, it's also shown that a powerful enough attack can overcome infinite stamina/regeneration. See: the various Buus being beaten until they finally didn't regenerate anymore. Or the Androids dying from single powerful blasts from Trunks.
So using that logic, while Goku is a brilliant fighter, he can't beat a warrior with infinite strength. Therefore the only win is to hit Supes with an attack that is more powerful than his sun-fuelled energy. Maybe even drawing energy FROM the Sun would give him the necessary Super Spirit Bomb.
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Finaika
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A mouse with an atomic bomb in its mouth can crawl up Goku's bum and kill him too.
Superman can be bludgeoned to death just as easily as Goku can.
I watched the death battle yesterday and a slew of arguments, counter-arguments, rants, raves, etc. all flew through my mind, I'm sure most of which have already been brought up in this very thread. I'd rather not rehash stuff, but aside from some of their faulty logic and misunderstanding of the source material, the fundamental flaw in their reasoning is this idea that Superman is invincible.
But he's just not. There exists characters within DC canon that can literally beat Superman to death without using kryptonite or red sun radiation. It's generally not easy, but he's neither the fastest nor the strongest among the fictional characters that universe has to offer.
I was initially a bit butthurt over the video, but I think what really irks me is just the misrepresentation of Goku's feats. I'd even give Superman the edge (especially if we're going to use the strongest version of post-crisis Superman), so that's not what it's really about. As a DBZ fanboy and a fan of western comics, it just annoys me how they got BOTH characters wrong.
Admittedly it's a pretty silly thing to get mad about though. *shrugs* the same thing happens with people who are outward fans of any of my favorite fictional properties (Star Wars, DBZ, Marvel and DC in general, Invincible, etc.) but don't get the facts straight. I get upset for a bit...and then I think I should probably go do something a bit more productive.
edit: also, just so I can put up my nerd glasses for a sec, a weapon being imbued with magic doesn't suddenly deal 10x damage to Superman. I've always found that little misunderstanding especially bothersome. A magically conjured fireball wouldn't burn Superman but a spell that causes burns to appear would.
zerokoolpsx
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Refuse to believe that Bat lost to Spiderman. Give him enough prep time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...&feature=iv&src_vid=e8K1m6SCRz4&v=oyl97TG8jbA
It's entertaining to watch.
Superman can turn invisible? What? I agree with the outcome though.
Lee Chaolan
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Problem with a Death battle for both of these guys, is death means nothing for them. They keep fucking coming back.
It sucks they never portray him to be as powerful as his powers actually imply he is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwN0O4iNnrM#t=15m39s
Did anyone watch their response to the reactions?
They basically laid it down that their research went down to just shy of calling up DC themselves. They got the forefront of both Superman and Goku knowledge base, and say that the match up "wasn't even close". They also said that the fight shouldn't be taken literally, the fight was just orchestrated in a way for it to be entertaining--or else, why would you watch? It's a show that's just for fun, despite that, they did do months of research and they did all they could in Goku's favor statistically.
This fight was based off of the opponents not knowing of each other in any way (which gets rid of all kryptonite, magic, dragon balls and other stray elements) and why should those stray elements be calculated as part of the character strength anyways? The fight also eliminates the inhibition of fighting at full strength, because realistically, they probably wouldn't have even fought each other at all.
Did anyone watch their response to the reactions?
They basically laid it down that their research went down to just shy of calling up DC themselves. They got the forefront of both Superman and Goku knowledge base, and say that the match up "wasn't even close". They also said that the fight shouldn't be taken literally, the fight was just orchestrated in a way for it to be entertaining--or else, why would you watch? It's a show that's just for fun, despite that, they did do months of research and they did all they could in Goku's favor statistically.
This fight was based off of the opponents not knowing of each other in any way (which gets rid of all kryptonite, magic, dragon balls and other stray elements) and why should those stray elements be calculated as part of the character strength anyways? The fight also eliminates the inhibition of fighting at full strength, because realistically, they probably wouldn't have even fought each other at all.
Just saw that screwattack breakdown and jeebus Superman is broken.
NobleGundam
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Bs result.
SS4 Goku could easily Instant Transition WHILE Charging his Kamehameha Wave In Front of Superman when he was flying straight for the sun and prevented him from going towards it.
But Screwattack decided to favor for the Man of Steel...
SS4 Goku could easily Instant Transition WHILE Charging his Kamehameha Wave In Front of Superman when he was flying straight for the sun and prevented him from going towards it.
But Screwattack decided to favor for the Man of Steel...
The Death battles are purely for entertainment, taking the events of the "battle" literally is absurd. Watch what I linked above, and then we'll talk.
Are we talking in terms of writing style? Because in a straight up fight I think the writers of Superman and DBZ would win just because there's more of them.
NobleGundam
Banned
Then why not do two separate Death Battle categories that consists of "Entertainment" & an Unbiased "Pure Death Battle" where the victor is defined by all the research given?
There wouldn't be as much controversy if this was done, but that's just my opinion.
I don't pick favorites, btw.
It's interesting that most people don't know that Superman... makes me wonder if that's intentional.
Never read a thread about religious figures, political figures, sports figures, video game figures, etc. before?
Why does Batman get to prepare for fights and not his opponents in these discussions? What, he's gonna spend months studying Spidey then jump him in some dirty back alley?
That sounds awful bitch-made to me.
Because he's Batman
Lee Chaolan
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Rice-Eater
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So every hypothetical fight involving Batman vs anybody else means that Batman is always given months of time to study his opponent and break him down so he can find any weaknesses that he can exploit. Then when the fight commences, Batman is thrown into the fray with everything he needs to combat his opponent while his opponent is completely unaware that Batman is going to attack him and just got done taking a shit break? Is that how it always works?
HollovVpo1nt
Banned
Supes to Goku: "You got to watch your blind side!" *boom*
Goku is a great fighter, that shouldn't have happened to him. Besides, he can sense Ki. He should have knows Supes was there.
This fight could have gone in any of the characters' to be honest.
Goku is a great fighter, that shouldn't have happened to him. Besides, he can sense Ki. He should have knows Supes was there.
This fight could have gone in any of the characters' to be honest.
Chuck Norris
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Is it that hard to believe the worlds greatest detective wouldn't have some good prep work done on every other superhero and villain known? Dude carries a piece of kryptonite on him at all times, "just in case."
Finaika
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You don't know Batman?
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