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[TruHero]

I don't get why people seemed to be more excited about the possible breakdown that this movie could create, and to be honest -- those posts from people hoping that a superheroes flick will make people feel like shit or guilty are weird as fuck.

Why would the average people freak out about him being a black superheroes? People loved Blade back then. I remember picking up a random hardcover compilation of BP when I was a kid at the store, it was amazing cool read that opened my eyes to white supremacist movements (the storyline involved a white power group of super-powered mercs that were hired i think to clean out a village because the ground underneath it had diamonds) anyhow it was a very interesting read, BP was incredibly cool with his jungle made out of technology and hardcore martial art skills. As a white kid, i
Really enjoyed it AND it was touching subjects I had never really heard of.

I was cheering for BP to kill those guys and save the villagers. It was an original super hero with fresh settings

Hoping that todays kids and parents viewers will feel bad and guilty because of this movie adaption is just bizarre as fuck. Get a grip, pls. This movie had a chance to open windows towards new discussion subjects for families after viewing it and it could lead to positive changes.

Making kids feeling like shit or guilty wont do any good.

As a kid, i never identified or related to the white power hired thugs or the group of super vilains he faced, those guys were hateful fucks and deserved to die.

I'm not sure why some gaffers in here are hoping that new fans will feel guilty? It's like saying that you hope that muslim peeps watching The Siege feel like shit because of the action of the bas guys

Basically what I was trying to say earlier. Seems like some people are more excited at the thought of others being angry than the movie itself.

 

[Cuburt]

The article seems to be referencing to other character traits, like power and social importance.

Sorry, editing my post. Wasn't replying to the article in the OP but all the people in the thread mentioning black superhero movies.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

You're conveniently ignoring the whole Cabal part and the enjoyment of killing people thereafter...

Or alternatively the fact he sunk Wakanda when had the Phoenix force.

Considering Jean Grey ate a star and killed some planets , id say Namor made out like a saint.

If Namor didn't reform the Cabal then we never would've seen "the kiss"

 

[Toxi]

Generic as in all the heroes so far as essentially the same person. I don't know the difference between Star Lord and Captain America.

Uh, everything?

I'm not a big Marvel movie fan, but those two characters have basically opposite characterizations. Star Lord is a self-absorbed crook who does good things to help his friends. Captain America is a humble soldier who always tries to do what's right, and struggles to figure out what's right.

Like seriously, you cannot pick two more different characters. There's a scene in Guardians of the Galaxy where Peter Quill walks into the prison he just broke out of just to obtain his Walkman. That scene could never work with Captain America. Neither would the dance battle, or the dick message, or hell, a lot of other Star Lord moments.

You say they're both "awkward" and "charismatic". What does that even mean? Awkward is the opposite of charismatic.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Considering Jean Grey ate a star and killed some planets , id say Namor made out like a saint.

If Namor didn't reform the Cabal then we never would've seen "the kiss"

What Jean did has nothing to do with Namor and BP's beef. It definitely doesn't change or excuse the fact Namor had it coming.

 

[akira28]

Basically what I was trying to say earlier. Seems like some people are more excited at the thought of others being angry than the movie itself.

since shuri has it all wrong, you might not want to set your tent to close to that campfire.

 

[jon bones]

Are you saying black and white characters should be written differently?

they should be, sometimes. it's can be important to recognize differences in our perspectives and alter the 'voice' of a character accordingly.

I thought Captain America would be his sidekick.

in.

 

[Xplatformer]

What about the Blade films?

These were hugely popular.

Popular, yes. But nothing compared to the big blockbuster films.

Blade mojo $70 millon domestic
Batman Dark Knight = $500 million Domestic
Spiderman 2 = $375 million
Iron Man =$318 million
Captain America = $175 million
Thor = $181 million

Blade was "just" popular.

 

[TruHero]

You're conveniently ignoring the whole Cabal part and the enjoyment of killing people thereafter...

Or alternatively the fact he sunk Wakanda when had the Phoenix force.

Or alternatively having Thanos and goons destroy Wakanda again.

But yea T'Challa's the asshole tho lol.

I should probably work on getting current with Marvel. Sounds like some good reading.

since shuri has it all wrong, you might not want to set your tent to close to that campfire.

How does he have it all wrong?

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I don't get why people seemed to be more excited about the possible breakdown that this movie could create, and to be honest -- those posts from people hoping that a superheroes flick will make people feel like shit or guilty are weird as fuck.

Why would the average people freak out about him being a black superheroes? People loved Blade back then. I remember picking up a random hardcover compilation of BP when I was a kid at the store, it was amazing cool read that opened my eyes to white supremacist movements (the storyline involved a white power group of super-powered mercs that were hired i think to clean out a village because the ground underneath it had diamonds) anyhow it was a very interesting read, BP was incredibly cool with his jungle made out of technology and hardcore martial art skills. As a white kid, i
Really enjoyed it AND it was touching subjects I had never really heard of.

I was cheering for BP to kill those guys and save the villagers. It was an original super hero with fresh settings

Hoping that todays kids and parents viewers will feel bad and guilty because of this movie adaption is just bizarre as fuck. Get a grip, pls. This movie had a chance to open windows towards new discussion subjects for families after viewing it and it could lead to positive changes.

Making kids feeling like shit or guilty wont do any good.

As a kid, i never identified or related to the white power hired thugs or the group of super vilains he faced, those guys were hateful fucks and deserved to die.

I'm not sure why some gaffers in here are hoping that new fans will feel guilty? It's like saying that you hope that muslim peeps watching The Siege feel like shit because of the action of the bas guys

...

What are you even talking about?

Who has said anything remotely close to what you're inferring here?

Who are you talking to?

 

[Schweinehund]

Popular, yes. But nothing compared to the big blockbuster films.

Blade mojo $70 millon domestic
Batman Dark Knight = $500 million Domestic
Spiderman 2 = $375 million
Iron Man =$318 million
Captain America = $175 million
Thor = $181 million

Blade was "just" popular.

It's hard to compare box offices from even a 10 year gap. I agree though.

I think marvel should move the date earlier two weeks if they can, I don't think it will help BP's case if the third week BO is killed off by Justice League's premier. Out of all the marvel films I think this is the one I'm most excited for after 2016.

 

[LaNaranja]

And maybe if it does well Cheadle can star in a War Machine movie!


Please?

 

[Gorillaz]

It's been said before in some form or another, but everyone repeating that old line about Rocket and Groot in Guardians...

...a walking tree and a talking raccoon aint got shit on how sci-fi a technologically advanced utopia, entirely populated with and ruled by Black people, is going to seem to large swaths of this country.

I don't know if Black Panther is going to be a game changer, but the presentation of a reality in which Black people never needed white people, and in fact, have succeeded them in almost every imaginable way is going to touch people in parts of their brain they didn't even know could fire synapses. It's gonna be those parts of the brain that get them in trouble without even really understanding the hows & whys of it.

That is, depending on whether Marvel actually takes it that far.

It's possible the reaction to the movie could be more entertaining/illuminating than the movie itself, and that's taking into account the possibility the movie WILL be well made.

both bolded parts is what I'm waiting to see the most I'm even more interested if Marvel does actually have the balls to pull that off especially in a tent pool action flick

 

[Xplatformer]

People will lose their minds to see folks with ceremonial headdresses programming quantum computers. That is what great abut Wakanda, they are so advanced but hold on to their culture and heritage above all else.

I always wondered about this.

An intelligent, self sufficient African nation that for all intents and purposes shielded itself away from countries under British/Portuguise/Spanish/German/ rule....would not hold cultural views and heritages similar to those we've seen in countries like Kenya, Nigeria, Somalia...correct?

Whose to say that headdresses were the norm? Just because it's on the African continent?

I'm really curious to see what Marvel does with Wakanda.

I'm extremely excited for the BP opportunities in film and literature moving forward.

T'Challa Udaku indeed.

 

[BLACKLAC]

Generic as in all the heroes so far as essentially the same person. I don't know the difference between Star Lord and Captain America. What about Thor and Captain America? Sure, they're from different places but their personalities are the same: awkward, lovable, charismatic, charming. None of these characters have any real faults. The only ones that seem to have any aren't really explored. Tony gets the most exposure and they swept Bruce Banner under the big green and mean rug.

How is Cap and Thor the same, especially in the beginning? Thor started out as an arrogant war mongering ass. Cap was a weakling with an enormous heart. Thor's faults was a Major plot of the first movie, his faults are why he couldn't lift the hammer, why he was banished.

Steve Rogers having little character faults is part of his character, by design it's who he is. Now Thor has GROWN into a better person, a person who is much more similar to Cap, which is why they are closer friends than say Cap and Tony.

Banner is afraid of himself. Explored very much in Incredible Hulk and what's looking like a bit more in AoU.

And Tony who was and still is a very different character to everyone else.

I don't see why you would think BP would be treated the same as any of them. Hell the way Marvel revealed him says he will be another very different character to the MCU.

Not to mention each movie follows the same formula. I just hope after Ultron and the inevitable shake-up the heroes will be different.

Same formula how?

Cap 1 is an idealized America period piece.
Cap 2 a political conspiracy flick.
Thor series is pure fantasy.
Iron Man action comedy snark.
GOTG space opera
Avengers being a big team mash up almost seamlessly bringing the pages of the comics to the screen.

There are other areas of tone besides strictly black or white, dour or comedy.

Why does every hero need to be funny to the audience? Because it works. It works on audiences and laughter allows you to forget legit issues because it was fun. This also makes the heroes the same. You can be from Asgard, USA, WW2 era, a big green monster, but you're still the same. I think the only "heroes" that are different are Black Widow and Hawk Eye but they never did anything with those two.

A character telling a joke or doing something funny does not make them the same. Hell the only Jokey character is Tony.

Stepping stones are OK in certain situations. If every movie is a stepping stone then you're just waiting for the big pay off but it will never arrive. What happens after Infinity Wars? Oh right... more Marvel movies. This, even if you don't notice it, lowers the quality of each film.

The stories for new solo outings focus on the new characters and less on the history of the world around them. Iron Man 1, Cap 1, Thor 1, Hulk and GOTG were all very character focused, as well as Ant-Man and Strange appearing to continue that trend. I don't see why you would think that would change with BP.

And we have no idea what happens after IW, but the MCU will be MUCH different than it is now (actors contracts alone suggests this).

 

[akira28]

I always wondered about this.

An intelligent, self sufficient African nation that for all intents and purposes shielded itself away from countries under British/Portuguise/Spanish/German/ rule....would not hold cultural views and heritages similar to those we've seen in countries like Kenya, Nigeria, Somalia...correct?

Whose to say that headdresses were the norm? Just because it's on the African continent?

hm?

 

[Slayven]

Considering Jean Grey ate a star and killed some planets , id say Namor made out like a saint.

If Namor didn't reform the Cabal then we never would've seen "the kiss"

He could have taken that L after Black Panther leveled Atlantis, but he had to dig his grave deeper.

 

[sleepykyo]

It will be important, but not gamechanger IMO. Advanced black kingdoms and kings have already been seen in Hollywood, Blade already gave us the "black but being black is not its most important caracteristic" protagonist. We don't even know anything about how they're going to portray him. I don't see the news here really.

We have? Every US movie has had the either the American spirit and/or American tech as the gold standard.

.

So pre-inherits the power of every predecessor/vibranium mesh suit BP beats the walking advertisement for steroids. Man, can't say I have much interest in watching a character more overpowered than Wolverine and silver age/hater mythological Superman combined.

 

[TAJ]

Superhero movies set black action actors back like thirty years. Before they took over we had Passenger 57, Bad Boys, Independence Day, Man on Fire, etc. Now that the super heroes rule all action movies we ain't got shit. There's always a huge controversy if you cast a black actor in these things. I'd be surprised if Panther isn't ignored entirely.

There were some action roles left over but Liam Neeson took all of them. Personally, I love watching guys who are old enough to collect Social Security starring in these things. With the RED movies you have that and a black actor.

 

[akira28]

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[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Come oooooon

Spoiler

I think he's beautiful

Holy fuuuuuuu.... Doesn't he act in some telenovelas? Mindblown. The make up makes him look like black,I stand by my defense

Can't really blame you thinking that; I thought that at first too.

I mean, in retrospect it's like seeing Cedric Daniels from The Wire in there. Head shaved and w/ the lighting they look really similar.

 

[-COOLIO-]

This will be the first Black superhero film since Catwoman, right? I think Black Panther will have big implications for all Blockbuster movies. Hollywood will be a lot less scared of casting African Americans.

i think hancock was more recent.

meteor man and blank man are kings tho.

 

[J10]

He could have taken that L after Black Panther leveled Atlantis, but he had to dig his grave deeper.

Hang on a second. Namor leveled Atlantis himself during The Initiative. Did he later rebuild it and then Panther destroyed it a second time?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

How is Cap and Thor the same, especially in the beginning? Thor started out as an arrogant war mongering ass. Cap was a weakling with an enormous heart. Thor's faults was a Major plot of the first movie, his faults are why he couldn't lift the hammer, why he was banished.

Steve Rogers having little character faults is part of his character, by design it's who he is. Now Thor has GROWN into a better person, a person who is much more similar to Cap, which is why they are closer friends than say Cap and Tony.

Banner is afraid of himself. Explored very much in Incredible Hulk and what's looking like a bit more in AoU.

And Tony who was and still is a very different character to everyone else.

Now distance yourself from this little things and you will notice a trend. The same way all Linkin Park songs are "different" but when examined are basically the same songs structurally.

I don't see why you would think BP would be treated the same as any of them. Hell the way Marvel revealed him says he will be another very different character to the MCU.

Because all other heroes are treated the same?




Same formula how?

Cap 1 is an idealized America period piece.
Cap 2 a political conspiracy flick.
Thor series is pure fantasy.
Iron Man action comedy snark.
GOTG space opera
Avengers being a big team mash up almost seamlessly bringing the pages of the comics to the screen.

There are other areas of tone besides strictly black or white, dour or comedy.

See above.

A character telling a joke or doing something funny does not make them the same. Hell the only Jokey character is Tony.

No one laughs at the "jokes" made by other heroes? Draxx isn't "funny"? Captain America doesn't have quips? These things give heros the same feel.

 

[BLACKLAC]

Now distance yourself from this little things and you will notice a trend. The same way all Linkin Park songs are "different" but when examined are basically the same songs structurally.

That's a vague response. MCU examples?

Because all other heroes are treated the same?

In what way?

No one laughs at the "jokes" made by other heroes? Draxx isn't "funny"? Captain America doesn't have quips? These things give heros the same feel.

So you're saying you think the character of Captain America is the same as Drax? Because Cap said a few quips?

All I can say is I disagree.

This. Is not the same character as Drax.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO6qu5fQLHo

 

[rude]

The marvel movies are incredibly stale. Really poor character development, simple and repetitive plot structures, completely unremarkable scores and cinematography, forced humor, and a shit ton of soulless CGI action scenes. All of this combined basically gives the illusion that all of the marvel movies are more or less the same, despite the fact that they're all technically different genres. Just my opinion of course.

 

[crimsonspider89]

The marvel movies are incredibly stale. Really poor character development, simple and repetitive plot structures, completely unremarkable scores and cinematography, forced humor, and a shit ton of soulless CGI action scenes. All of this combined basically gives the illusion that all of the marvel movies are more or less the same, despite the fact that they're all technically different genres. Just my opinion of course.

You haven't watched TWS or GoTG have you?

In fact, did you watch IM3 either?

 

[The Boat]

I need to start reading this, don't think I've ever read a Black Panther comic.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Marvel is going to turn Wakanda into Zmunda, and Black Panther is going to be "Coming to America II"

If so, who will be Sexual Chocolate in the film?

Hang on a second. Namor leveled Atlantis himself during The Initiative. Did he later rebuild it and then Panther destroyed it a second time?

Panther did what giants do.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

That's a vague response. MCU examples?

http://www.hometracked.com/2007/05/29/all-linkin-park-songs-look-the-same/

You eventually see a pattern. Not all their songs are like this but plenty are. Enough that they have that samey feel.

In what way?

See above.

So you're saying you think the character of Captain America is the same as Drax? Because Cap said a few quips?

All I can say is I disagree.

This. Is not the same character as Drax.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO6qu5fQLHo

Yes. Why? Because the tone and mood of these movies are all the same. Their genre means nothing when it's coupled with "goofy" or Marvel "fun". There are serious characters who on the regular make the audience laugh because that's a trapping. These trappings shape the characters. I'm not saying Asgard and Earth are the same because obviously one's like Heaven while the other is Earth, but it's hard to deny there's this overlapping tone and mood within each realm that is the same. These characters "are" different but they don't feel different. Which is either standing ovation worthy or just worrisome.

 

[XAL]

Black Panther is a weird brainiac loner that lives in a crypt.

King of the Otakus.

 

[JJD]

Black Panther is an asshole for what he did to Narmor.

I don't think he is an asshole for what he did to Namor, the guy destroyed Wakanda twice (even when he was only to blame the second time! lol). And T'challa was against Shuri getting revenge.

I do think he handled Namor in the most cowardly way possible, including calling for Black Bolt's help. I think it was kinda out of character.

I think the movie can be pretty good, even great. I just hope BP is not some teen prince but an adult who understands and has felt the burden of being a King. I don't know who's playing him. Hopefully the guy is at least in his late 20's or better yet his 30's.

The more they base the movie on Hickman's version of the Panther the better. He rocks. He is an amazing hero but a flawed one. Most versions of the Panther that I've read he is some kind of perfect hero, has no flaws, is unbeatable and I never like heroes like that. I think this is why I'm not a big DC fan and don't like Superman and don't really care for the Batman.

And I hope the movie isn't campy like GOTG.

 

[nintendork666]

best marvel film yet just watch

 

[akira28]

I don't think he is an asshole for what he did to Namor, the guy destroyed Wakanda twice (even when he was only to blame the second time! lol). And T'challa was against Shuri getting revenge.

I do think he handled Namor in the most cowardly way possible, including calling for Black Bolt's help. I think it was kinda out of character.

Namor sided with Thanos, even used him to attack T'Challa. Black Bolt owed Namor some cold room service too. Thanos basically destroyed his kingdom, and Namor's duplicitous ass was never once a help.

(of course if we think this is actually the end of Thanos or Namor...)

 

[Slayven]

Hang on a second. Namor leveled Atlantis himself during The Initiative. Did he later rebuild it and then Panther destroyed it a second time?

I am talking about the time Wakanda attacked and instantly after that Namor was sucking Thanos dick.

 

[Blader]

I think the movie can be pretty good, even great. I just hope BP is not some teen prince but an adult who understands and has felt the burden of being a King. I don't know who's playing him. Hopefully the guy is at least in his late 20's or better yet his 30's.

Chadwick Boseman, who's actually 38 right now, but looks like 10 years younger.

 

[Sinatar]

I am talking about the time Wakanda attacked and instantly after that Namor was sucking Thanos dick.

Wakanda did more then attack, it committed genocide. Namor is the last Atlantean.

 

[neorej]

I'm just waiting for Fox News and Rush Limbaugh to pick up on this and watch the fallout from me recliner seat with a nice box of popcorn and a big ol' glass of Coca Cola.

 

[Frog-fu]

Just read a bit of Black Panther. Dude is a fucking monster. Total badass.

 

[Akainu]

Generic and a stepping stone.

Watch it be about captain getting a new shield.

 

[scabro]

Chadwick Boseman, who's actually 38 right now, but looks like 10 years younger.

hes 32 isnt he

 

[Memento Mori]

Hang on a second. Namor leveled Atlantis himself during The Initiative. Did he later rebuild it and then Panther destroyed it a second time?

It was rebuilt in the San Francisco Bay underneath Asteroid M which the X-Men were using as a base. Shuri later had the new Atlantis destroyed with pretty much every other Atlantean as revenge for the time when Namor got possessed by the Phoenix Force and flooded Wakanda.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Popular, yes. But nothing compared to the big blockbuster films.

Blade mojo $70 millon domestic
Batman Dark Knight = $500 million Domestic
Spiderman 2 = $375 million
Iron Man =$318 million
Captain America = $175 million
Thor = $181 million

Blade was "just" popular.

...it was rated R and came out at a time when the avg ticket price was 6 - 10 bucks...

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Sheesh. Let's wait and see if the movie is any good first.

 

[Slayven]

Wakanda did more then attack, it committed genocide. Namor is the last Atlantean.

Even Namorita and Namora? Welp, he told him, "what giants do".

 

[DonasaurusRex]

He could have taken that L after Black Panther leveled Atlantis, but he had to dig his grave deeper.

Shuri leveled atlantis not T'challa and it was a secret attack that T'challa didn't say anything about and let innocents die. One thing the BP never lacked before was character or the ability to judge by true standards not appearances.

The people of Atlantis weren't possessed by the phoenix force , they didn't attack Wakanda. The issue is T'Challa and Shuri are capable of knowing the difference, i like hickmans story but he has drug a bunch of characters in the mud, which again for the story its fine. But pretending that its NOT out of character is ridiculous.

 

[Parallax]

Shuri leveled atlantis not T'challa and it was a secret attack that T'challa didn't say anything about and let innocents die. One thing the BP never lacked before was character or the ability to judge by true standards not appearances.

The people of Atlantis weren't possessed by the phoenix force , they didn't attack Wakanda. The issue is T'Challa and Shuri are capable of knowing the difference, i like hickmans story but he has drug a bunch of characters in the mud, which again for the story its fine. But pretending that its NOT out of character is ridiculous.

atlantean soldiers did attack wakanda with the flood though. and it isnt the first time namors flooded something either

namors bum ass dropped the hammer first.

 

[Slayven]

atlantean soldiers did attack wakanda with the flood though. and it isnt the first time namors flooded something either

And even Cyke took responsibility for his actions with the Phoenix Force. Namor continued to do dumb shit.

 

[TruHero]

I do hope that films like Black Panther and Star Wars work toward allowing minorities to play roles in big budget films that aren't just for comedic value or that involve slavery or crime.

Marvel movies are utter dogshit but I'll be seeing this one just on principle of it having a black cast.

The marvel movies are incredibly stale. Really poor character development, simple and repetitive plot structures, completely unremarkable scores and cinematography, forced humor, and a shit ton of soulless CGI action scenes. All of this combined basically gives the illusion that all of the marvel movies are more or less the same, despite the fact that they're all technically different genres. Just my opinion of course.

Tell us more how Marvel movies are horrible

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Tell us more how Marvel movies are horrible

How very rude of him..