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GOP lawmakers question standards for teaching evolution in Kentucky
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Yeah, likely on this forum a few times.
I didn't say it was?. Creationism is for a religious course or a history class.
NathanMcMahon
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menstruation cycles. it's "legitimately" women's fault.
Phoenix
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It gets far far worse than this too.
Devolution
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IMO learning anything in high school is as good as the teacher that doesn't mean creationism or ID has any place near a biology classroom or curriculum.
speculawyer
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Personally, this is probably one of the biggest reasons I can never vote for a GOPer.
EmCeeGramr
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"One man speaks about natural processes taking place over timescales mathematically determined through empiricism. The other speaks of a Mesopotamian folktale about a global flood caused by a prime deity angered at the sinfulness of mankind. Which one is right?"
"Just kidding, the second one of course."
Just straight up "facts are fake if they're not in the Bible."
The publisher I took these from (http://www.abeka.com/) is actually super insidious. The younger age groups all get pretty innocuous stuff just with sprinkled-in bits of "America is great" and "Jesus sure is awesome." As they get older, it becomes gradually more reactionary and confrontational until it delves straight into "Communism is from Satan, America has never done anything wrong, and evolution is fake and is the cause of immorality."
Devolution
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Love how the bible thumper is some football built lookin' stud.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Clearly, the skeptical non-believer has his full robustness for life robbed from him due to a refusal to accept the word of god and enter into a full, happy, complete existence.
And that's not even being sarcastic, those are the details the people who put this shit together attend to.
EmCeeGramr
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See: Andy Schlafly (son of Phyllis) and his pet project Conservapedia, where everything from language to sports to physical fitness to weather is a conflict between atheist evolutionist obese effeminate gay liberals and god-fearing virile macho superman Christian conservatives. Nothing is neutral, and we sure do have a lot of articles about gays and everything they do and how every other country on earth is apparently a lifeless hellhole because of them.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
You know what the cool thing is?
We don't HAVE that many accounts of all the insane shit that priests and cult leaders came up with to try and keep control of the people during like, the fall of Rome. I'm sure they were very creative and very reactionary to every political event of the day.
But thanks to modern media and the internet, generations to come are going to be able to pour over this stuff in minute detail. Future historians are gonna love, and hate, the late 20th to mid 21st century.
Public schools, you mean. If catholic or any other private school wants to teach that garbage, go ahead, but a publicly funded institution should only teach real science.
DR2K
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Yeah like they read the bible.
speculawyer
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The strength of the conservative movement is defeating them. They got all this power & support and what did they do . . . produce a massive amount of pseudoscience garbage.
Meanwhile, Apple Computer, the most powerful technology corporation on the planet is run by a gay man and has pro-gay policies. And a black man in the white house endorsed gay marriage.
Although there is lots of crazy in the world, sometimes it is good to look at what has been accomplished.
Uhm..."made it up" sounds awfully like a bullshitted argument here to justify the weaker, flakier aspects of creationism, as someone too made that up. And in fact, creationism cannot be tested by the scientific method unless you present the scientific method as something that can never, ever be tested.
Why is it when a GOP person speaks I feel like I'm in 1900 or that there's a secret scheme to keep the middle class ignorant and poor?
Don't believe in evolution? There are 2 categories a person can fall under
1. Purely ignorant. A person simply has no real knowledge of evolution, either due to poor/non-existent education or is incapable of rational thought, perhaps due to a learning disability or mental health issue.
2. Willfully ignorant. A person understands evolution and willfully denies its existence.
1. Purely ignorant. A person simply has no real knowledge of evolution, either due to poor/non-existent education or is incapable of rational thought, perhaps due to a learning disability or mental health issue.
2. Willfully ignorant. A person understands evolution and willfully denies its existence.
TacticalFox88
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HOW THE FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLE NOT AWARE HOW SCIENCE WORKS!?!?!?!
MasterOfPastures
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Well... I'm stumped. I can't believe this. I can't. The same country that put humans on celestial bodies and lead the way to our modern technical world... can't allow this to be presented to some of it's youth.
GraveHorizon
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I can't help but feel the irony as I read the excerpts and comments of the creationists and think "Jesus Christ, this is insane!"
What's next if they somehow succeeded? Reinstatement of slavery? Taking away women's right to vote?
What's next if they somehow succeeded? Reinstatement of slavery? Taking away women's right to vote?
Hyperbolic slippery slope examples... for now.
I just love the fact that in the year 2012, in the most powerful and influential country in the world, we can have people this woefully ignorant in charge of legislature.
I'm not even being sarcastic. I love it. It's absolutely hilarious. I can't even get angry about this kind of stuff anymore. I've just decided to laugh and wonder how much more stupid things will get.
Man, EmCee. This is the most effort I've ever seen you put into one of your parody posts.
I'm not even being sarcastic. I love it. It's absolutely hilarious. I can't even get angry about this kind of stuff anymore. I've just decided to laugh and wonder how much more stupid things will get.
Man, EmCee. This is the most effort I've ever seen you put into one of your parody posts.
archnemesis
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You don't believe teaching children lies is harmful? Or do you simple not care about it?
Bitmap Frogs
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You'd love the greek mythology then.
Elementary kids are taught that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny exist. Those are lies.
But honestly, how is teaching creationism "harmful", exactly? But I will say that I find the idea of teaching it in school WEIRD.
They should apply this fairness principle to every subject.
Some people say 2+2=4. Some people say it's 5. You decide!
Some people say we live on planet Earth, some people believe we live on Middle Earth. You decide!
Some people believe there was a holocaust. Some people don't. You decide!
Some people say 2+2=4. Some people say it's 5. You decide!
Some people say we live on planet Earth, some people believe we live on Middle Earth. You decide!
Some people believe there was a holocaust. Some people don't. You decide!
Don't hate me ;~;
Elementary school children are NOT taught that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real things.
Teaching fake science or fake anything in school is harmful, period. It wastes time when children should be learning.
I like the part where they lie through their teeth about the theory of evolution because there's literally nothing they can say that advances their cause and is also related in any way to fact on this earth.
Texas :l
Texas :l
archnemesis
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If any school is teaching kids that those fictional characters exist in the real world then we need to do something about that too. Especially if it's being presented as such in a science class.
It gives children a false view of reality and how science works. These kids will continue carrying these beliefs with them as adults and it will affect how they make decisions and see the world throughout their lives.
Lamel
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The same way telling them 2+2=5 is harmful.
RELIGIOUS AGENDA. MAN WHY DID THEY PUT THAT SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE THINGY IN THAT DUSY OLD DOCUMENT.
HP_Wuvcraft
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It's completely disgusting that I'm not shocked, surprised, or stunned that a politician said this.
SquiddyCracker
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Elementary kids are not taught Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny as a scientific theory, which is what the GOP lawmakers are attempting to do with Creationism.
I don't even know if the Santa and easter bunny are "taught" to the kids aside from being brought up in terms of festivities, which is why they're not comparable to creationism.
Hey that's cool, let's cheapen and undermine the scientific method that brought so much to our society by pretending the theory of evolution is in some way the same as a fucking kid's story.
The Janitor
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That seems to be the goal!
archnemesis
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Considering they're currently gaining strength it will probably be a while. The latest Gallup poll showed 46% creationists and that's not even counting enablers like MIMIC.
lastplayed
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I agree. Egyptian, Greek, Maori, hell, even Norse. At least teach those kids where we get most of the weekdays from.
Stopped reading at "scientism."
MooseKnuckles
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How is that even a question you need to ask? Schools exist to give children an education, a useful (scientific) education is grounded in factually correct information, creationism is about as far from 'fact' as humanly possible. It is a waste of time and money to 'teach the controversy' as a means of placating the insane beliefs of the offensively ignorant.
As someone who doesn't live in the US, the fact that this is even brought up as an issue is bewildering.
To be clear I have no problem with religion being taught in school. Some of my favorite courses were world religion and the bible as literature in both high school and college. But religion should not be taught as a part of science curriculum and creationism should not be considered an equal counter theory to evolution.
Math is not a theory; there aren't two versions of it.
Rentahamster
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"darwin made it up"? Good gravy, this is sad.
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