Red Crayon Aristocrat
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Who the fuck do they think is the audience for this?
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Gothic 1 Remake goes woke
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Odinnii
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Oh so it's not actually PC censorship and unlike every other shitty western dev, these guys have a very valid reason why they made the women ugly and covered em up.
It's not censorship, it's 'some characters having different roles'. Like, um, not being sold as slaves anymore?
Guess I just have to buy the game to find out.
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Dirk Benedict
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They went from shoestring to sequoia. FFS, they could learn what in between means.
kikii
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MayauMiao
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It's a video game forum
digimaster7
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excuses excuses excuses, you guys really hate it when people are finally fighting back huh? Its like a bully that's crying and throwing insults when there's finally some pushback.
No, we're not gonna buy a brazzer subscription and no we're not going to be quiet anymore.
don't want people to complain in the first place? the devs shouldn't have censored the outfit and make all the women ugly as sin.
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Gonzito
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If you look for the word gaslighting in the dictionary this guy's message will pop up in the first page
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TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
Man, what a shame. I was looking forward to this.
I usually don't care if they put some clothing on women in remakes if the original was just nonsensical fan fiction.
In fact, I welcome it. I prefer my games to not be gooner material as that tends to cheapen the entire product.
But in this case it wasn't, it's not like all the women walked around in full sexy gear - it was those specific ones that clearly had a specific role to fulfill being in those clothes.
It is a prison colony, ffs, you know what those roles were.
It's like going to a Dibella temple in Daggerfall and suddenly everyone is fully dressed. It's just... wrong, and not true to the source material.
However, in their defense, the male-looking character models is highly likely not on purpose, but just due to a bad base model used. Still unfortunate, though.
I usually don't care if they put some clothing on women in remakes if the original was just nonsensical fan fiction.
In fact, I welcome it. I prefer my games to not be gooner material as that tends to cheapen the entire product.
But in this case it wasn't, it's not like all the women walked around in full sexy gear - it was those specific ones that clearly had a specific role to fulfill being in those clothes.
It is a prison colony, ffs, you know what those roles were.
It's like going to a Dibella temple in Daggerfall and suddenly everyone is fully dressed. It's just... wrong, and not true to the source material.
However, in their defense, the male-looking character models is highly likely not on purpose, but just due to a bad base model used. Still unfortunate, though.
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Walliwallipaloo
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This is why. There is money in this shit. Underneath all the "advisory groups" and the "activists," the real reason for this is simply that it's being funded. Funded "normalization."
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Angry_Megalodon
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You know its extremely bad when the original devs call you out.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
It's so sad how fucking modern day woke retards don't understand that fictional stories can have misogynistic elements or what have you that presents the story and characters, where did this notion that even stories need to be all nicey nice? It's just the worst, life was so good before these pieces of shit born in the last 20 25 years existed
Topher
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DeepEnigma
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Jesus fuck, imagine telling to someone else... No, imagine telling to a customer the words he's allowed to use as if he were a child.
Amazing business strategy. Will it work? I can't wait to find out.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
I think it's mind blowing how there are now so many examples of this shit and these devs refuse to act accordingly.. Like there's enough data to where they could teach at seminars how wokeness and tryin to control peoples criticisms hasn't worked and won't ever work and all end in failures, yet they refuse to see it.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I thought "the customer was always right" was in economics 101, but I guess they stopped teaching that along the way.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Yea seems to have went by the wayside.
What I can't get is why don't these people value money anymore, or is it they get the funding so the product doesn't matter?
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
So I asked my wife and she isn't a gamer or really into the political trash that goes on but she knows a little however I asked her to just look at this picture of a "woman" in a game being remade and to give her absolute honest opinion, and she was like "what is that? Looks like a dude woman type thing"... I hadn't told her anything about anything and that was her response.
Now I get she isn't the be all end all but still I find it quite telling when someone who has no investment can just spot it, she just was like what is that?
I think these devs are as delusional as the people they try to include in their agendas. How can we have went 25 years with men and women characters and only now within the last could years have these fucking ridiculous debates with developers over female characters, they are absolutely tryin to appease someone else with this nonsense.
I'd love to ask these guys that, how come we've never had this type of ridiculous discussion in the last 20+ years?
Now I get she isn't the be all end all but still I find it quite telling when someone who has no investment can just spot it, she just was like what is that?
I think these devs are as delusional as the people they try to include in their agendas. How can we have went 25 years with men and women characters and only now within the last could years have these fucking ridiculous debates with developers over female characters, they are absolutely tryin to appease someone else with this nonsense.
I'd love to ask these guys that, how come we've never had this type of ridiculous discussion in the last 20+ years?
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KanKamAndNob
Gold Member
Unfortunately, these freaks are genuinely who they think will play these games. These things are also obviously who they model the """female""" characters off of.
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
Gothic 1's Remake Brings A Whole New Look – and Some Modern Updates
There's often a tricky balance with examining what to re-examine and what to keep when remaking games, but the Gothic 1 Remake from Alkimia Interactive certainly looks to give the original series a much needed reappraisal in the right ways. Along with leaning even further into the stories that...
IGN (Alessandro Fillari):
An especially welcome change happening with the remake is the more respectful representation of female characters. A controversial aspect of the 2001 game was the presence of enslaved women in the colony, who were background characters and non-interactable. But in the remake, female characters are more developed, with agency, which Hero can learn more about and potentially form bonds with. The developers were insistent that this was a necessary change, not only to remove some distasteful aspects of the original but also to add more nuance to the colony's setting and to the especially vulnerable characters left to the fringes.
Reinhard Pollice, the studio head of Alkimia Interactive:
"In one of our trailers, we showed that you can now interact with women in the game, and, you know, it's a prison colony, and in the 2001 game, the women were slaves and you couldn't interact with them," said Pollice. "We were like, 'Yeah, we want to give it more depth and not do that again.' So we've added more female characters that have different roles within this colony – but they're not all over the place, like running shops and inns, because it's still a hostile, prison colony that's lawless and is more dangerous for them. But we definitely wanted to add more of this multidimensional aspect to the characters and to this setting. But some of the fans online were like, 'No, they should just be slaves,' but we're like, 'Yeah, no, just play the game and see what we are doing with it.'"
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uncreativename
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Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
Yea, talking down to your audience doesn't typically end well. Unless you're Steve Jobs.
Gp1
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Gothic 1's Remake Brings A Whole New Look – and Some Modern Updates
There's often a tricky balance with examining what to re-examine and what to keep when remaking games, but the Gothic 1 Remake from Alkimia Interactive certainly looks to give the original series a much needed reappraisal in the right ways. Along with leaning even further into the stories that...www.ign.com
IGN (Alessandro Fillari):
An especially welcome change happening with the remake is the more respectful representation of female characters. A controversial aspect of the 2001 game was the presence of enslaved women in the colony, who were background characters and non-interactable. But in the remake, female characters are more developed, with agency, which Hero can learn more about and potentially form bonds with. The developers were insistent that this was a necessary change, not only to remove some distasteful aspects of the original but also to add more nuance to the colony's setting and to the especially vulnerable characters left to the fringes.
Reinhard Pollice, the studio head of Alkimia Interactive:
"In one of our trailers, we showed that you can now interact with women in the game, and, you know, it's a prison colony, and in the 2001 game, the women were slaves and you couldn't interact with them," said Pollice. "We were like, 'Yeah, we want to give it more depth and not do that again.' So we've added more female characters that have different roles within this colony – but they're not all over the place, like running shops and inns, because it's still a hostile, prison colony that's lawless and is more dangerous for them. But we definitely wanted to add more of this multidimensional aspect to the characters and to this setting. But some of the fans online were like, 'No, they should just be slaves,' but we're like, 'Yeah, no, just play the game and see what we are doing with it.'"
I was thinking in buying it, then I saw this topic
Now I'll just "hypervisor" it and deface it with mods until it morphs back into the original game.
Make de-uglyfication great again
Gamer_By_Proxy
About to beat off
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I could be misremembering, but aren't the women in the colony also delinquents? They aren't more slaves than the diggers at the mine.Gothic 1's Remake Brings A Whole New Look – and Some Modern Updates
There's often a tricky balance with examining what to re-examine and what to keep when remaking games, but the Gothic 1 Remake from Alkimia Interactive certainly looks to give the original series a much needed reappraisal in the right ways. Along with leaning even further into the stories that...
IGN (Alessandro Fillari):
An especially welcome change happening with the remake is the more respectful representation of female characters. A controversial aspect of the 2001 game was the presence of enslaved women in the colony, who were background characters and non-interactable. But in the remake, female characters are more developed, with agency, which Hero can learn more about and potentially form bonds with. The developers were insistent that this was a necessary change, not only to remove some distasteful aspects of the original but also to add more nuance to the colony's setting and to the especially vulnerable characters left to the fringes.
Reinhard Pollice, the studio head of Alkimia Interactive:
"In one of our trailers, we showed that you can now interact with women in the game, and, you know, it's a prison colony, and in the 2001 game, the women were slaves and you couldn't interact with them," said Pollice. "We were like, 'Yeah, we want to give it more depth and not do that again.' So we've added more female characters that have different roles within this colony – but they're not all over the place, like running shops and inns, because it's still a hostile, prison colony that's lawless and is more dangerous for them. But we definitely wanted to add more of this multidimensional aspect to the characters and to this setting. But some of the fans online were like, 'No, they should just be slaves,' but we're like, 'Yeah, no, just play the game and see what we are doing with it.'"
Seeing where they have their priorities is quite sad. After having played the original game it has so, so much potential for a remake that could better flesh out the factions and characters having more quests and content. Have they said anything about that?
MrRibeye
Gold Member
OK let me explain why they are SEX SLAVES
The king has to fight orcs
The criminals are mining ore for weapons that the king needs to fight orcs
King buys ore from criminals by sending them stuff
King sends the sluttiest whore in the skimpiest outfit in exchange for ore
And they're sending her down with all the other goods and products
I'm sorry Reinhard, you as the studio head of Alkimia Interactive should know that in the crime colony of Gothic, women are shipped in as provisions, no better than a bag of wheat flour
And that in the sequel Gothic 2 when you are outside of the crime colony, in the normal civilized world, you have powerful women with influence, owning farmland and workers, dressed modestly, so you can go off and do all your "multidimensional aspects" in the sequel
The king has to fight orcs
The criminals are mining ore for weapons that the king needs to fight orcs
King buys ore from criminals by sending them stuff
King sends the sluttiest whore in the skimpiest outfit in exchange for ore
And they're sending her down with all the other goods and products
I'm sorry Reinhard, you as the studio head of Alkimia Interactive should know that in the crime colony of Gothic, women are shipped in as provisions, no better than a bag of wheat flour
And that in the sequel Gothic 2 when you are outside of the crime colony, in the normal civilized world, you have powerful women with influence, owning farmland and workers, dressed modestly, so you can go off and do all your "multidimensional aspects" in the sequel
The_hunter
Gold Member
Kudos to the dev team to warn me about the game going woke. Will avoid.Gothic 1's Remake Brings A Whole New Look – and Some Modern Updates
There's often a tricky balance with examining what to re-examine and what to keep when remaking games, but the Gothic 1 Remake from Alkimia Interactive certainly looks to give the original series a much needed reappraisal in the right ways. Along with leaning even further into the stories that...
IGN (Alessandro Fillari):
An especially welcome change happening with the remake is the more respectful representation of female characters. A controversial aspect of the 2001 game was the presence of enslaved women in the colony, who were background characters and non-interactable. But in the remake, female characters are more developed, with agency, which Hero can learn more about and potentially form bonds with. The developers were insistent that this was a necessary change, not only to remove some distasteful aspects of the original but also to add more nuance to the colony's setting and to the especially vulnerable characters left to the fringes.
Reinhard Pollice, the studio head of Alkimia Interactive:
"In one of our trailers, we showed that you can now interact with women in the game, and, you know, it's a prison colony, and in the 2001 game, the women were slaves and you couldn't interact with them," said Pollice. "We were like, 'Yeah, we want to give it more depth and not do that again.' So we've added more female characters that have different roles within this colony – but they're not all over the place, like running shops and inns, because it's still a hostile, prison colony that's lawless and is more dangerous for them. But we definitely wanted to add more of this multidimensional aspect to the characters and to this setting. But some of the fans online were like, 'No, they should just be slaves,' but we're like, 'Yeah, no, just play the game and see what we are doing with it.'"
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ThatOneGrunt
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The first few pages of this discussion is interchangeable with any other neogaf discussion with the word "woke" in the title.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
Game goes to a trash bin then. Granted it does not seem like the remake will look that great anyway.
Because the pattern is the same all the time - like literally - "let's change the things in the remake targeting people who loved the OG but for the modern audience that won't buy the game anyway". The funny part is that you really can't find that many people who find it repulsive to see attractive women in skimpy outfits - only loudly screeching leftist crowd that does not buy those games will complain.
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Denton
Member
New trailer looks great.
If the fact that you will be actually able to interact with few female characters in this game is a dealbreaker, then you are a fucking moron.
There is zero reason why the women imported by King should only ever be used for sex and nothing else. In fact this was illogical in the original game.
If the fact that you will be actually able to interact with few female characters in this game is a dealbreaker, then you are a fucking moron.
There is zero reason why the women imported by King should only ever be used for sex and nothing else. In fact this was illogical in the original game.
vodka-bull
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Angry_Megalodon
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Devs who seek to please media instead of fans deserve those as their only audience.
xrnzaaas
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I'm glad they're at least not hiding that stuff until the last minute like Vavra and the changes he made for KCD2, more people will have the option to decide where they want this or stick with the original (with mods). Same with the 'updated' PC system requirements, making it pretty obvious optimization will be shit.
KanKamAndNob
Gold Member
Feminists and LGBT people. The latter you MIGHT find a small audience for a game like that. Key word: MIGHT. There's no way in fuck you'll get more than double digit numbers for the former though.
semiconscious
Gold Member
the thing is, the audience is basically themselves, just like it always has been for game developers. it's just that, unlike previously, the developers themselves are now, ideologically, very different from the rest of us...
what needs to be understood: the woke western ideologues have taken their belief system pretty much as far as it can go, & the few industries that they've come to control (entertainment, education, health care), are now where they're left to make their last stand. if they lose their control of these? they're done. so, yeah, they've got a deep stake in this stuff, & are basically fighting for the survival of a belief system that's come to give meaning to their self-absorbed lives...
ChuckeRearmed
Member
They should have been directing big multimedia franchises instead
Gothic Remake looks like you average game today - the only thing it has is the name but devs are targetting the different audience anyway so...
The funny part is that all those industries are falling apart now.
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KanKamAndNob
Gold Member
Anyone pulling the "uGlY WeStErN WoMeN iS a CoNsPiRaCy" bullshit after over a decade of this crap are one of two people: blind imbeciles or worse, gaslighting liars.
Gamergate was 13 years ago, and Western studio leads have literally admitted to inserting ugly females in their games to "empower" women (like Neil Druckmann and design artists for Horzion). Even if they didn't outright say it, you genuinley have to be braindead stupid (I'm not even saying that as a joke) to not see the differences between pre and post GamerGate depictions of women in Western games.
semiconscious
Gold Member
exactly. which, in the case of health care especially, is kinda terrifying...
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Denton
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Nope. Literally nobody was playing Gothic back in 2001 because there were two non-interactive females in it in skimpy outfits with 10 polygons each.
It was an immersive RPG, and from what I have played of the Remake demo and seen of its trailers, so is this one.
The fact that now the female characters will be interactive and perhaps more varied in clothing and what they do changes precisely nothing about that.
I bet it will be similar as with the KCD2 outrage. Lot of whining by morons, while the game is great and its "woke" elements are nothingburger.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
To be fair not many healthcare institutions are that competent at this point. Depending on the country but there is a lot of fraud, wrong diagnoses, oversight or blatant and deliberate malpractice. Granted it kinda has always been the case - you have always had good and bad doctors, good and bad hospitals and so on. Now the scale is bigger though.
Newsflash, it is a different era now and you have many more games right now not to chase a specific remake that has zero attachment from most of the people aside those who it is trying to alienate. New people don't know what Gothic is, never played it and for them they are not different from any other indie or whatever RPG is there. Only fans care about the original Gothic as IP.
KCD2 had KC IP behind it, the game that was very popular and was relatively recent. Gothic 1 is a forgotten name in the history. I expect Gothic 1 to either flop or be a very niche game. Granted I don't think it cost too much to produce.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Nobody said that, you lying cunts.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
That trailer sure looks cool but man, seeing the devs virtue signal online always puts me off a game. Makes me think they don't have their priorities set straight, because an actual good remake of Gothic could end up being something really special.