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[Steve Youngblood]

Far from it, I complain that it is actually missing things they said it would have from the start, it's called suspend mode and Drive Club. But thank you for inferring something that was not there.

So, if you were to start a thread voicing your disapproval of these missing games/pieces of functionality, would you appreciate it if a bunch of unhelpful people that didn't care about suspend mode or Drive Club came into your thread and offered terrible responses undermining the validity of your complaints?

 

[SmokedMeat]

There's finite resources for development and they aimed it at the gaming side. Would you have preferred they focused solely on multimedia?

They're damned if they do and damned if they don't, because someone is always going to not get something they wanted.

I wonder how much longer 3D movies will even be released? The format flopped.

 

[plagiarize]

Far from it, I complain that it is actually missing things they said it would have from the start, it's called suspend mode and Drive Club. But thank you for inferring something that was not there.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/xbox-3d-201311113434.htm
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/09/xbox-one-ps4-3d-blu-ray-playback/

Just two examples of stories saying the PS4 would support 3D Blu-ray playback at launch. I traded my PS3 in after these stories started running and BEFORE Sony quietly released a manual that just happened to mention that the PS4 wouldn't play 3D Blu-Ray's at launch.

 

[TentPole]

Is neither sad or depressing. It's an action suspense about survival and it's fucking awesome.

Not really true. At its core it is a movie about overcoming depression. So it has elements that are both sad and depressing as it tackles that subject.

 

[Fnord]

I don't really understand why one would get rid of the PS3 this quickly (assuming you had one). I won't sell it for at least 2 more years. Best BluRay player out there.

I can offer a scenario... I had two PS3s. One in my bedroom and one in the living room downstairs. With the PS4 coming, I no longer needed the downstairs PS3, particularly for its primary purpose - gaming. So I sold that one and replaced it with the PS4 at launch. So now I have the PS3 upstairs connected to a non-3D TV and the PS4 connected to the main TV in the living room, a top of the line Sony 3D TV.

Does anyone know why the PS4 (particularly) and the XBone didn't have 3D support on launch? It seems like something that would just be there in the BluRay playback spec. And it certainly doesn't seem like something that should take this long to implement.

 

[Oppo]

Q: WHY DONT YOU JUST HOOK UP UR PS3 HUR HUR HUR UR SO STOOPID

A: Not enough HDMI ports and/or shelf space to have it and the current gen consoles hooked up at the same time. It's a pain to hook up and unhook stuff all the time.

I understand this sentiment. I do.

But it's not hard. The power plugs and HDMI are identical.

 

[iMax]

I was down on 3D until I got a 1080p 3D capable projector. I bought the BenQ w1070 a few weeks ago on sale (thanks Slickdeals, you wallet killing motherfuckers), and some $30 active 3D glasses from Amazon, and I was pretty amazed at how good it was. I don't even like Pacific Rim, but it looks amazing in 3D.

I can't vouch for 3D on a television, but a quality projector on a 120" screen is definitely something I'd recommend people take a look at. You can nab the projector for ~$800 and a screen for $150, which is a setup that will completely outclass any television within the same price range.

Pacific Rim and Tron: Legacy are my go to 3D movies. Both look spectacular.

 

[SmokyDave]

Steve, you have the patience of a saint.

Now THAT is a feature request I can get behind. As for 3D, I'm pretty sure most people would be fine with 3D if it didn't require glasses and/or specific viewing angles. As long as it has those barriers people want to see it dead.

I, for one, am okay with 3D. The only bummer is the loss of brightness/contrast when using the glasses.

I don't understand why people actively rail against it though. There is no content that is exclusive to 3D. If you don't like it / can't see it, just don't use it. The TV doesn't default to 3D or anything.

3D porn is magnificent. That alone justifies the technology.

 

[spookyfish]

The 3D in this movie was amazing. Just as good as the amazin' Avatar 3D.

Better than Avatar. Avatar's 3D was unnecessary. The motion-control filming of Gravity really benefited from 3D.

 

[iMax]

Now THAT is a feature request I can get behind. As for 3D, I'm pretty sure most people would be fine with 3D if it didn't require glasses and/or specific viewing angles. As long as it has those barriers people want to see it dead.

I, for one, am okay with 3D. The only bummer is the loss of brightness/contrast when using the glasses.

You're probably watching your TV too bright if this is the case for you.

 

[iMax]

Better than Avatar. Avatar's 3D was unnecessary. The motion-control filming of Gravity really benefited from 3D.

Gravity had a few parts in it that actually make me physically react to what was happening on the screen, which I don't think a movie's done to me before.

 

[ghst]

Yes, and some think it should have been a day one feature. Obviously, if they want to use their PS4 as a 3D Blu-Ray player, they'll have to wait. But in the meantime, voicing disapproval at the lack of the feature is the way to speed of the implementation process. If the majority of the consumer response in regards to lack of 3D is simply people going "meh, I can wait; it'll get here when it gets here," then obviously there's no need for them to try and get this out the door. As such, the people who care need to make sure that Sony knows that they care.

I don't understand the disconnect here.

while i entirely agree with this, i specifically remember another case of red tops effectively shutting down the conversation of as yet unimplemented media features because they had been assured by an unnamed source that they were coming in a nearby update.

that was three months ago.

 

[Blinck]

The 3D in this movie was amazing. Just as good as the amazin' Avatar 3D.

Believe me, the 3D in gravity is miles and miles better than Avatar ( and so was Prometheus ).

There wasn't a single trace of ghosting in Gravity, and the movie was so well filmed. It's really a movie that is meant to be seen in 3D, it's an amazing experience.

It does suck that the PS4 can't read 3D blurays. It's just absolutely stupid and miserable on Sony's part.

 

[walltowall]

Now THAT is a feature request I can get behind. As for 3D, I'm pretty sure most people would be fine with 3D if it didn't require glasses and/or specific viewing angles. As long as it has those barriers people want to see it dead.

I, for one, am okay with 3D. The only bummer is the loss of brightness/contrast when using the glasses.

I think the lack of content is the issue, 3D does fine in the theater. At home, movies are but a small subset of what people consume on their televisions/projectors. 3D sports is spectacular, but costly because it requires new equipment, 3D netflix/amazon prime would be bandwidth hogs, and 3D gaming usually involves halving the resolution.

You're probably watching your TV too bright if this is the case for you.

loss of brightness is a known factor in 3D especially if you have an active setup. Most good 3D tvs actually go into somewhat of a torch mode when showing 3D material to compensate so he's not wrong in his observation.
I've heard of movie theaters using multiple projectors simultaneously to increase the brightness of the 3D picture for the best IQ with blockbuster movies.

 

[iMax]

loss of brightness is a known factor in 3D especially if you have an active setup. Most good 3D tvs actually go into somewhat of a torch mode when showing 3D material to compensate so he's not wrong in his observation.
I've heard of movie theaters using multiple projectors simultaneously to increase the brightness of the 3D picture for the best IQ with blockbuster movies.

Oh I know, my TV maxes out the brightness and contrast appropriately to make up for the loss. That means 2D and 3D content look exactly the same for me, in terms of brightness. Contrast tends to actually be stronger on 3D.

 

[Gustav]

Oh I know, my TV maxes out the brightness and contrast appropriately to make up for the loss. That means 2D and 3D content look exactly the same for me, in terms of brightness. Contrast tends to actually be stronger on 3D.

Mine doesn't. And it is a plasma, so it's not as bright as LCDs by default. The active glasses don't help either.

 

[LuchaShaq]

They are saving you from shitty 3d ruining the movie be grateful.

 

[ShinAmano]

Honestly I am hoping 3D hits soon...that and hbo go.

 

[zruben]

with all due respect and with no intention of mocking (just trying to see the funny side of this thread): there's a lot of First World Pains here... LOL

with that said, I agree with the fact that the PS4 should have 3D BR support by now.

 

[Shig]

I wonder how much longer 3D movies will even be released? The format flopped.

I guarantee you that any wide-distribution theatrical movie on 3D Bluray sells more copies than 95% of videogames.

I guess videogames flopped. They should ditch 'em.

 

[border]

Why would being able to afford a 3DTV enable the OP to "afford" to hook up a ps3? What does that even mean?

This is a really stupid post. I'm not sure why you use the word "afford" when you suggest that there is some contradiction in not being able to afford to hook up the PS3. Further, I'm really tired of seeing legitimate criticism of relatively expensive multimedia devices brushed aside with suggestions like this.

I presume that someone buying a 65" 3D display might also purchase an entertainment center capable of housing more than a couple set top boxes (or buying an HDMI splitter). If you pride yourself on buying expensive bleeding edge technology you'd think space and inputs would have been a going concern.

 

[T.O.P]

They are saving you from shitty 3d ruining the movie be grateful.

you clearly didn't watch this movie in 3D, did you?



@anticipating the same on X1

 

[Space Runaway]

Yeah the lack of 3D support is irritating. If not for that and Tekken Revo, I wouldn't have my PS3 hooked up to the main tv anymore.

Even though I bought the PS4 as a gaming console, I would have easily rather had 3D bluray support available at launch over 3D game support.

 

[Skelter]

Best movie of the year
Fix this shit sony

lol.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I presume that someone buying a 65" 3D display might also purchase an entertainment center capable of housing more than a couple set top boxes (or buying an HDMI splitter). If you pride yourself on buying expensive bleeding edge technology you'd think space and inputs would have been a going concern.

Firstly, I would stop presuming things. Secondly, even if your presumptions are correct, I don't know why you think they are particularly relevant. You're just making stupid assumptions to dismiss valid criticisms some might have. We also call this "shitposting."

 

[Pseudo judo]

6/10 movie, you're not missing out on anything mindblowing.

Agreed. In terms of story and character it's an average film at best.

That shot of Sandra Bullock as a metaphorical baby in the womb was so blatantly shoe horned into the plot it had me groaning in the theater. It completely broke what little emotional investment I had in the character up until that point. That said, Gravity is a technical achievement and so worth watching if you have a 3D hdtv.

 

[Shig]

you clearly didn't watch this movie in 3D, did you?

Given his obsessive vitriol towards it, I'm pretty sure 3D killed LuchaShaq's father.

 

[brandonh83]

lol.

You sure proved him wrong.

 

[Anticitizen One]

Is Gravity worth seeing in 3D? I thought it was one of those post conversion things? I was just gonna see it on regular blu ray

 

[Pseudo judo]

Is Gravity worth seeing in 3D? I thought it was one of those post conversion things? I was just gonna see it on regular blu ray

It's only worth seeing in IMAX 3D if your going to the theaters, imo.

 

[Off-Kilter]

Is Gravity worth seeing in 3D? I thought it was one of those post conversion things? I was just gonna see it on regular blu ray

I hate shoehorned 3D and only a very small handful of movies actually benefit from it.

With that said, Gravity is one of those rare few. Don't miss out

 

[Ridley327]

Is Gravity worth seeing in 3D? I thought it was one of those post conversion things? I was just gonna see it on regular blu ray

It was converted in post-production, but it was conceived in 3D first and foremost, and it's much easier for that kind of conversion to shine when the overwhelming majority of the film is CG effects. Combine that with a very lengthy post-production process, and you have a rather stunning showcase for 3D.

 

[outunderthestars]

I don't think it was a high development priority given the lack of consumer interest in 3D televisions.

 

[mrklaw]

Is Gravity worth seeing in 3D? I thought it was one of those post conversion things? I was just gonna see it on regular blu ray

It was awesome at the cinema, but it did make my stomach go funny a couple of times, like when you watch those space station IMAX movies. It is also the first movie that made Mark Kermode backtrack on his general hatred of 3D

Don't know how much of that impact it will lose on a smaller screen though. It'll also test the hell out of any low contrast displays - I'm not letting it anywhere near my lowly AE900 projector


As for 3D missing, yes it is annoying, but I think we all know things change at the last minute. I think selling your PS3 on the basis of a couple of blog previews is premature. If you wanted to sell it while the value was still high then that is sensible, but don't count your chickens etc.

I also don't think we should be surprised that the PS4 has less media support than PS3. It would have been nice if it was different, but Sony would have been focusing on getting the OS ready and stable generally. So you end up with many functions, but each one relatively lightweight and basic. I expect hey'll update it regularly now and 3D support will come soon. They were excellent at updating PS3 with new features, including bluray formats like frame-packed 3D that I think weren't standardised until after the PS3 launched.

Tldr - disappointing but not entirely unexpected I think. Buy gravity and enjoy in 2D until the update comes?

 

[border]

You're just making stupid assumptions to dismiss valid criticisms some might have. We also call this "shitposting."

I am not dismissing criticism, so much as I am suggesting that this problem of "I CAN'T WATCH GRAVITY IN 3D OMGWTF" is probably within their means to solve. Rather than going berserk, find an interim solution.

I'd like it if I could watch HBOGo on my PS4, but I can't. Rather than stomp my feet about how ridiculous it is that the PS4 does not have a feature it was never advertised to have, I just keep my 360 hooked up.

 

[GSG Flash]

I don't really understand why one would get rid of the PS3 this quickly (assuming you had one). I won't sell it for at least 2 more years. Best BluRay player out there.

Mine died and I don't really have the money, right now, to get another.

Fuck you Sony, just release the goddamn 3D update for the PS4 already!

 

[CamHostage]

I like IMAX 3D movies, but have no interest in watching 3D movies at home.

Then I take it you haven't done it? I have a 3D TV (Vizio, passive 3D, just 32", cost barely $50 more than the equivalent 2D TV at the time... sadly, 3D has been abandoned in sub-55" after the failure to kick up sales) and I'm pretty happy with it. The sense of depth is obviously not overwhelming like it is in IMAX, but it certainly adds a good deal to the experience. Enjoyed Tron Evolution and a few other movies in 3D on it (also a good number of games) and am looking forward to revisiting Gravity on it. Running on my PS3, of course.

The thing is, can't they just use/modify whatever tech they used for the PS3's BRD player 3D playback for the PS4? It's not like they have to R&D all over again, they've done the work several times in the past! At this point it should just be adaptation.

No, it's a new system with all new subsets and drivers (NVIDIA vs AMD graphics card) and hardware routing to deal with, plus new OS restrictions that the designers need to optimize around.

That said, it's not totally new technology (that's part of the advantage of going with "off-the-shelf" parts is that it's already mapped out) and they have games in 3D so the display output is already solved. Not sure what's taking so long?

 

[Dead]

It was converted in post-production, but it was conceived in 3D first and foremost, and it's much easier for that kind of conversion to shine when the overwhelming majority of the film is CG effects. Combine that with a very lengthy post-production process, and you have a rather stunning showcase for 3D.

considering how much of it is CG, its probably more native 3d than it is conversion really

 

[leadbelly]

Best movie of the year
Fix this shit sony

Most visually impressive movie of the year. Best movie of the year is one hell of a stretch.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I am not dismissing criticism, so much as I am suggesting that this problem of "I CAN'T WATCH GRAVITY IN 3D OMGWTF" is probably within their means to solve. Rather than going berserk, find an interim solution.

I'd like it if I could watch HBOGo on my PS4, but I can't. Rather than stomp my feet about how ridiculous it is that the PS4 does not have a feature that I knew it didn't have when I bought it, I just keep my 360 hooked up.

The title of this thread is "Gravity 3D comes out shortly and I can't watch it on my PS4." You read the title, correct? I don't think he's looking for a solution to the problem of "How can I watch this 3D Movie in 3D when the PS4 doesn't support 3D" in as much as he is venting his frustration that the PS4 is lacking functionality he thinks it should have. This is apparently important to him, and thus he created a thread on a forum that he participates on to vent his frustrations about this lack of functionality. Again, I don't think he was soliciting advice on how he could view Gravity in 3D

Now, enter border. I have absolutely no idea what it is that you think you are contributing right now. Apparently, the PS4 having 3D isn't very important to you. Apparently, any multimedia features aren't very important to you as I assume you are content with your purchase. Honestly, I think that's fantastic. Really. I'm glad you are happy with the featureset they have provided you and are content to wait until nice extras you'd like to see get implemented. But, if that's your angle, perhaps you should -- and I know that this might seem crazy -- not come into a thread where someone is complaining about a feature being absent to dismiss their claim as silly? Find a topic you care about and post in that one.

I don't know if it's sinking in that I'm running out of patience. Your contributions to this topic are bad, and you should stop posting them. If you are unable to comply, I will make that happen. I post this publicly not to intimidate you, as I doubt you are trembling in fear right now, but so that others might read it and think "hmm... I was about to make an equally shitty contribution to this thread. I guess I should keep it to myself."

 

[cakefoo]

Sony were so focused on gamers that PS4 launched with only 13 video streaming apps so they could devote more resources to making awesome games like Knack available at launch.

 

[leadbelly]

I imagine making sure the basic OS was working fine at the time of launch was their number 1 priority.

 

[iMax]

Mine doesn't. And it is a plasma, so it's not as bright as LCDs by default. The active glasses don't help either.

Strange, my Plasma does.

 

[The Spoony Hou]

Seriously, I don't get why people expect the new consoles to come out with all features. If you bought it early, you agreed to be a beta tester.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Seriously, I don't get why people expect the new consoles to come out with all features. If you bought it early, you agreed to be a beta tester.

Seriously, I don't understand why posters offer shitty replies in lieu of simply moving onto a different thread if they don't care about missing functionality.

 

[AlphaDump]

So, my takeaway from this post is "Leave PS4 alone! I love this console and don't like it when people criticize my beloved piece of hardware!" This may strike you as unfair, but I don't know what else to infer from it. Otherwise, it just seems to be a poorly articulated assertion that a customer who spent hundreds of dollars as an investment into a platform has no right to complain about missing functionality that is important to them.

In summation, what you offered is a bad response.

To be devils advocate - Is it missing functionality if it was stated explicitly prior to launch that it wouldn't be supported? I did a lazy google search and the online manual states that it does not, dating before launch. The assertion that a customer is looking for something that was never there is kind of like demanding the ps4 play ps3 games. They spend hundreds of dollars without looking into its capabilities, then I'm not really sure who is to blame.

 

[mrklaw]

I am not dismissing criticism, so much as I am suggesting that this problem of "I CAN'T WATCH GRAVITY IN 3D OMGWTF" is probably within their means to solve. Rather than going berserk, find an interim solution.

I'd like it if I could watch HBOGo on my PS4, but I can't. Rather than stomp my feet about how ridiculous it is that the PS4 does not have a feature it was never advertised to have, I just keep my 360 hooked up.

It may not have been advertised with it, but I think several previews mentioned it would support it at launch.

 

[ultrazilla]

Why would being able to afford a 3DTV enable the OP to "afford" to hook up a ps3? What does that even mean?

It's really not very confusing: OP bought a PS4 ( the successor to one of the best blu ray players out there, aka PS3) and quite rightly expected it to be able to perform what are now pretty standard blu ray player functions (or at least know when those features are coming) 3 months after launch. I expected the same and am left wondering the same now.

Exactly Lump.

The PS3 was the flagship blu ray player IMO and alot of home audio/visual folks(especially those on the AVS forums) swear by far the PS3 *IS* the blu ray player of choice(and it also plays *games*).

To not have day 1 3d playback on the PS4 is just a big let down and unacceptable.

I have a 42 inch Panasonic Viera Plasma full 1080p 3D with a huge library of 3D movies that I can't watch right now. Yes, I traded in my PS3 when the PS4 was announced. I've coped with not being able to watch the movies for a few months but now that Gravity is hitting and we've heard nothing from Sony, it's disheartening.

Maybe us 3D movie/gaming folks can start a campaign aimed at Yosp to get the 3D blu ray playback update pushed out to PS4 owners. Until then, I guess I'll have a nice new sealed copy of Gravity 3D collecting dust.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

To be devils advocate - Is it missing functionality if it was stated explicitly prior to launch that it wouldn't be supported? I did a lazy google search and the online manual states that it does not, dating before launch. The assertion that a customer is looking for something that was never there is kind of like demanding the ps4 play ps3 games. They spend hundreds of dollars without looking into its capabilities, then I'm not really sure who is to blame.

OK, but here's the difference. There's a technical reason why the PS4 can't play PS3 games that is clear. It's clear that aside from streaming solutions, they're not working on making the PS4 play PS3 games. Nobody should expect the PS4 to ever play PS3 games because of the differences in architecture. Contrast that with the ability to play 3D Blu-Rays, which is something that is supposed to be implemented as an update. Therefore, there's apparently no reason why such a thing is impossible, and seeing as how the PS4s predecessor had that capability and that the more advanced PS4 CAN play Blu-Ray movies, it becomes easier to see why someone might think that the PS4 should also have the capability, and why they might desire a device that's as all-in-one as possible.

And let me be clear: I personally do not give a shit at all about 3D. I don't have a 3D TV and don't plan on getting one anytime soon, and I do have a PS4. If 3D Blu-Rays went live tomorrow as part of a surprise firmware update, I wouldn't notice or care. But do you know what I'm not doing? I'm not shitting on the OP and telling him to just use another Blu-Ray player instead of expressing frustration at the PS4's current lack of support of the feature. It may not be a feature I care about, but it's a feature he does. I'm really sick of customers being disregarded as entitled whiners just because they care about stuff you may not care about. This thread isn't telling you to sell your PS4 and boycott Sony. It's just an owner who is frustrated by a missing feature. It's a perfectly valid discussion.

 

[plagiarize]

It may not have been advertised with it, but I think several previews mentioned it would support it at launch.

I posted two news stories along those lines at the top of this page. But naturally, people trying to downplay this ignore all my posts about how Sony announced the lack of this feature less than two weeks before launch as stealthily as possible (when they had quite openly announced the lack of CD, MP3 and DLNA support in the FAQ posted by the official blog), after news stories had already said it WOULD have it.