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[Spider_Jerusalem]

Since your a "software developer" i don't understand why you would theorize such a thing as being a software problem. It's a system/cable/monitor/frequency incompatibility.

I've never written a game so I don't know what could go on. At 50hz some games get audio desyncing, others strange stutterings, and some could even crash, I don't know. But as I said, I'm just hypotizing, I'm only saying that the conditions for a bug to happen can be somethimes quite hideous, even in a "all-machines-are-the-same" environment like the console one. You can never know.

 

[Apocryphon]

It's ok saying that but when this kind of thing isn't limited to specific games, in that different people have experienced similar problems with different titles. The only common factor is the nature of the hardware, i.e. an Xbox 360.

 

[Bojangles]

Graw 2 rocks. haven't finished it yet, but aside from some stutters in Coop when big explosions go off, it's wicked good.


Now Assault Heroes, there's a game with massive bugs. Coop has been broken since day 1.

 

[Haunted]

Ugh... it's the same thing every single time a new game or update is released...

It's your consoles, people. Not the game. When you have a "Oh noz my 360 died!" thread that is 42 pages long, it's really a testament to the quality of the hardware. Read: It's horse shit.

 

[FrankT]

No problems here, yet.

 

[rs7k]

I can attest to that. I don't have the retail version of GRAW2, but the demo has crashed many times. I have the first GRAW, and that game crashes a good 3-4 times per mission.

I'm skeptical it's my console, since I know they're both (alledgedly) buggy games.

 

[KrispeKreme]

It hasn't been reported on any websites because it's not a known issue. It's just something a couple of people who have temperamental machines are whining about.

Some 360's give a "To play this game put it in an Xbox 360" error for some games. Not because the game is scratched/whatever but because the console is faulty. It doesn't even happen every time.

Same thing here. These "***** killed my 360!!!" threads are just dumb. It does it to you but it doesn't do it to me, ....so how is that the games fault because the same code exists on both discs right!?

I had that problem, "To play this game put it in an Xbox 360" with the pack-in GRAW. It didn't help that it came in a crappy paper sleave, which didn't make much sense since the bundle also included the arcade unleashed disc that came in a regular case.

Anyways, the way I fixed it is the same way I've fixed other problem discs that could not be read but had no scratches.

Put the disc into boiling water for a few minutes, wait till it's cool enough to touch and take it out. Worked like a charm on the GRAW disc.

Don't know for sure why it works, best guess is since DVDs unlike CDs are 2 discs sandwiched together there can occur some warping if the 2 discs glue up unevenly. The boiling water heats up the disc and releases any deformities then it cools evenly, preventing any new warping from taking place.

Pretty sure this is a problem caused by poor QC at the pressing plant which is exasperated by low quality drives.

 

[Wario64]

Game has never crashed on me, but I have to put more time into the game. Only a couple hours in.

 

[pr0cs]

Finished GRAW2 this weekend, single player story anyway, no problems whatsoever. No slowdowns either, unlike GRAW1.

Sounds like some quality control issues on some discs.

 

[Apocryphon]

I can attest to that. I don't have the retail version of GRAW2, but the demo has crashed many times. I have the first GRAW, and that game crashes a good 3-4 times per mission.

I'm skeptical it's my console, since I know they're both (alledgedly) buggy games.

GRAW had lots of little glitches, but not really any game affecting bugs.

The GRAW2 demo crashed on me once when Mitchell got stuck in a box at the end on the demo and i couldn't get him out.

In GRAW2 i've only experienced the repeating gunfire glitch and a team-mate stuck in a wall.

Neither game has crashed on me and GRAW has been my most played game so far. I've completed GRAW2 on normal and hard and not had any lockups.

Anyways, the way I fixed it is the same way I've fixed other problem discs that could not be read but had no scratches.

Put the disc into boiling water for a few minutes, wait till it's cool enough to touch and take it out. Worked like a charm on the GRAW disc.

Don't know for sure why it works, best guess is since DVDs unlike CDs are 2 discs sandwiched together there can occur some warping if the 2 discs glue up unevenly. The boiling water heats up the disc and releases any deformities then it cools evenly, preventing any new warping from taking place.

I've heard of that solution. My copy of Fight Night refuses to run. It just wouldn't work one day and now constantly gives that error message. I figured it would be a drive setting problem.

Can anybody else verify that this has worked for them?

Sounds like some quality control issues on some discs.

It works in his friends machine just fine.

 

[Baker]

I'd take the disc back even if it works on your friend's machine. GRAW1 did the same thing to me and a store swap fixed everything.

 

[AndyMoogle]

So, if it's my console, why I don't have any problems at all with all the other games, also the more demanding ones?

My second 360 had a lot of problems with CoD3 and Table Tennis. They froze a lot. It also gave me dirty disc errors from time to time with Oblivion and GoW even though the discs were perfectly fine.

My first one never gave me a dirty disc error and it never froze either. Sadly the DVD drive died in that one

My third one (the one I am on now) have no problems whatsoever with those games, or any other games for that matter.

Some 360s are ****ed. Simple as that. Expect to get the red ring of death sooner or later if your console freezes on a regular basis.

 

[AndyMoogle]

I've never written a game so I don't know what could go on. At 50hz some games get audio desyncing, others strange stutterings, and some could even crash, I don't know.

Some games on 360 are made for 60Hz only. There is an icon on the cover to show this. DoA4, Dead Rising and Oblivion comes to mind as being 60Hz only. Sure you can probably start them but expect stuttering and other problems if you do.

 

[Ken K in the Fresh!!!]

just completed act 2 and not one freeze. no freezes with graw1, 1 with vegas, and 2 with scda (geez i must be a clancy whore)

ubisoft as been good to me

i suggest some of you find a way to replace your launch units with the newer revisions...

 

[Dr_Cogent]

If it wasn't GRAW2, it would have been another game. Some games don't push the 360 like others do, that's why some people think certain games "break" your 360.

The unit was bound to do it eventually. It's most likely not GRAW2 that is the issue.

3 red quadrants is a hardware failure. Get it repaired.

 

[Spider_Jerusalem]

3 red quadrants is a hardware failure. Get it repaired.

Maybe you didn't read my entire first post... this isn't about the three rings of death, or about my 360 failing. It's ok. It simply won't run GRAW 2. And I doubt it's an "hardware push" problem, because every other "pushing" game runs ok, and GRAW2 freezes even during game menus, which I don't think are so power demanding, no?

Expect to get the red ring of death sooner or later if your console freezes on a regular basis.

No it doesn't. It only freezes with GRAW2. I can play GOW, Vegas, LP or other cpu-intensive games, and it's all sweet. Luckily

 

[Apocryphon]

(geez i must be a clancy whore)

I'd like to invite you to post HERE

 

[AndyMoogle]

No it doesn't. It only freezes with GRAW2. I can play GOW, Vegas, LP or other cpu-intensive games, and it's all sweet. Luckily

Yeah I "only" got freezes with CoD3 and Table Tennis. I could play Lost Planet, GoW and games like that just fine. I got the red ring of death after 9-10 months. My third console has no problems at all playing any games so far. The console is broken in one way or another if certain game freezes on it but works on others.

EDIT: Ok you don't HAVE to get red ring of death because of it but the console is still broken.

 

[xemumanic]

That sucks, my GRAW2 or 360 is fine I guess. Launch system too.

Same here, launch system, and no one in my clan (15 players) has had an issue, many of us have beaten the game.

 

[JB1981]

i had 8 crashes in about 2 hours of play yesterday

You playing this online at all? We should get a game going sometime. I'll try and host because I get dropped from basically every game, if i don't. DON'T HOST 16 PLAYER MATCHES IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THEM, PEOPLE.

Also: Don't code for 16 player games when your average person can't handle them, Ubi. Christ.

 

[VASPER]

I got GRAW2 last week, put in my Xbox 360, and I couldn't play it because it constantly freezes (no graphical glitches, it simply freezes and my 360 won't respond anymore) in different zones: sometimes at the starting jeep sequence, sometimes in different points of the tutorial mission, and if I skip it, then it freezes in the next helicopters sequence, every time in different points. Heck, it even freezes if I put up the pause menu and stay there some while!

I've tried everything: clearing the disk cache, deleting the savegame, and playing without the hard disk (no memory card). Nothing worked, and it isn't a a disk problem because the I gave it to a friend of mine and it works perfectly on his 360. Add to this that the multiplayer part works flawlessy on my console: I came to the conclusion that the campaign executable has some kind of "compatibility" problem with my console. Obviously, my 360 works flawlessly with every other game: RS:Vegas, Crackdown, GOW, Viva Pinata and so on, so I tend to exclude it's an hardware problem.

I tried to search on Ubisoft forums, and comes out that many other people has the same exact problem! Look here. Has someone here experienced the same issue, and why if many people is having it no site has reported about the fact?

EDIT: Some people misunderstood the problem, so it needs to be written more clearly: THIS ISN'T A CONSOLE BRICKING ISSUE. This is different than when you put a game in the console and it suddenly breaks with the three rings of death. In this case, the game simply refuses to work correctly, but after that the 360 keeps working perfectly with all other games.

YUP happend to me many many times, my 360 is lucky i dident chuck it out my window but i think its the game?

 

[Woo-Fu]

Finished GRAW2, it didn't freeze once. My 360 has never missed a beat.

Ditto. Maybe this is a bug exclusive to multiplayer.

I can lockup my 360 with R6:Vegas pretty easy just by getting an ingame invite while playing Gears and switching to Vegas. If the server disappears during that process my 360 typically will lockup.

 

[FirstInHell]

My 360 kept freezing during Lego Star Wars. I had to play the Death Star assault mission 5times before it allowed me to finish. I finally got past it by turning off rumble and music.

Maybe Lego Star Wars is pushing the 360 too hard by using the extra cores for all of the intense graphics it is putting on screen.

Since there is usually one big 360 release a month, there should be an auto generated thread that will post "_________ is breaking 360s".

The 360 hardware's reliability is a bit suspect. However, I think when it is your system's time it will brick no matter what game you are playing.

 

[rod]

You playing this online at all? We should get a game going sometime. I'll try and host because I get dropped from basically every game, if i don't. DON'T HOST 16 PLAYER MATCHES IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THEM, PEOPLE.

Also: Don't code for 16 player games when your average person can't handle them, Ubi. Christ.

il be online on friday (your thursday) i only have a few people playing on my list but we gotta get some coop/vs going.

 

[tahrikmili]

Finished GRAW2 this weekend, single player story anyway, no problems whatsoever. No slowdowns either, unlike GRAW1.

Sounds like some quality control issues on some discs.

Sounds like the situation with gears of war.. my first disc worked fin until.. it cracked ??

The second one keeps giving me constant read errors, I have to keep ejecting and reloading the game until it finally works ok.

 

[Speevy]

Stop blaming developers for the Doombox 360.

Heat will cause it to freeze.

 

[MGHA]

It didn't freeze mine, but made it very hot. I corrected the problem by giving the power supply more room to breath.

Gamertag; Mendelevius

 

[TwIsTeD]

funny thing after playing GRAW 2 on Wed night last week over live with some co-op action, my 360 froze twice that night. Saturday when i went to turn it back on 3 rings of death (this was my 2nd 360 07-06 production date)

swapped it out at work for another unit (benq drive is awesome) and no problems since, 1st time I had the actual rings of death and scared the crap out of me!


....but graw2 is hot

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Maybe you didn't read my entire first post... this isn't about the three rings of death, or about my 360 failing. It's ok. It simply won't run GRAW 2. And I doubt it's an "hardware push" problem, because every other "pushing" game runs ok, and GRAW2 freezes even during game menus, which I don't think are so power demanding, no?

No it doesn't. It only freezes with GRAW2. I can play GOW, Vegas, LP or other cpu-intensive games, and it's all sweet. Luckily

I must have misread you OP.

Anyhow, excessive heat will cause your box to lock up. Make sure it's well ventilated. I got freezing too without the ring of death, but MS still said it was f'ed so I had to send it in.

If your box is getting good ventilation and is cool - then it's still most likely a hardware issue.

If anything perform the system maintenance on your 360 drive to make sure it's not that.

If it continues after that, replace the game. If still after that it still doesn't work, call MS.

 

[pieyow]

So, if it's my console, why I don't have any problems at all with all the other games, also the more demanding ones?

Could be because of the amount of times the game accesses the drive. That's usually the culprit, graphic intensity would effect everyone, and if it was a problem related to your machine specifically it's less likely to be graphics because you'd see it happening in everything you play.

 

[Spider_Jerusalem]

Guys, you were right. I thought it was GRAW2 fault just because the console was running every other game without problems. But some days ago it froze with Lost Planet, then did it with DJ:Icon and lastly with GH:II.

Now it's bricked with the 3 ****ing rings of shame. So my second 360 is leaving tomorrow for the repair center in Germany. These things are really the most breakable consoles history has ever seen... let's hope that the future 65nm production will change this thing.


PS: I'm sorry for the thread bump, but I've seen the other GHII thread, and felt I should have told of my experience with a similar problem.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Guys, you were right. I thought it was GRAW2 fault just because the console was running every other game without problems. But some days ago it froze with Lost Planet, then did it with DJ:Icon and lastly with GH:II.

Now it's bricked with the 3 ****ing rings of shame. So my second 360 is leaving tomorrow for the repair center in Germany. These things are really the most breakable consoles history has ever seen... let's hope that the future 65nm production will change this thing.


PS: I'm sorry for the thread bump, but I've seen the other GHII thread, and felt I should have told of my experience with a similar problem.

Yep. GHII is not bricking consoles. GRAW 2 doesn't brick consoles. Defective units brick themselves because they were bound to anyway. It's only a matter of time.

 

[UncleGuito]

My GRAW 2 single player doesn't work. I can't play more than 5 minutes before it freezes every time. I bought Wario64's old copy, too, so I know the disc isn't the issue. I haven't had the freezing problem with any other game though.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

My GRAW 2 single player doesn't work. I can't play more than 5 minutes before it freezes every time. I bought Wario64's old copy, too, so I know the disc isn't the issue. I haven't had the freezing problem with any other game though.

Call MS (18004MYXBOX) and send it in for repairs.

 

[Manp]

wow, i can use the same crappy photoshop in two threads...

 

[Spider_Jerusalem]

My GRAW 2 single player doesn't work. I can't play more than 5 minutes before it freezes every time. I bought Wario64's old copy, too, so I know the disc isn't the issue. I haven't had the freezing problem with any other game though.

Welcome to the club, your 360 is on the path to the graveyard. It's only matter of time.

 

[UncleGuito]

Welcome to the club, your 360 is on the path to the graveyard. It's only matter of time.

I dunno about that- check out the Ubisoft forums. There are TONS of people with the freezing problem, regardless of when their 360 was made. This is the only game I've had the problem with, so I'll probably just sell it to avoid a ring of death.

 

[Spider_Jerusalem]

I dunno about that- check out the Ubisoft forums. There are TONS of people with the freezing problem, regardless of when their 360 was made. This is the only game I've had the problem with, so I'll probably just sell it to avoid a ring of death.

I had your exact same problem. GRAW2 only highlights a problew with your console... it's a matter of time and other games will give you the same issue. If you're still under warranty, simply ask for a replacement. Here in Europe we have free warranty for 2 years, so I was able to ask for a replacement, for the second time.

 

[UncleGuito]

I had your exact same problem. GRAW2 only highlights a problew with your console... it's a matter of time and other games will give you the same issue. If you're still under warranty, simply ask for a replacement. Here in Europe we have free warranty for 2 years, so I was able to ask for a replacement, for the second time.

I'm not under warranty- I'd have to pay $120 for something that only happens in that game.

 

[Spider_Jerusalem]

I'm not under warranty- I'd have to pay $120 for something that only happens in that game.

For now. I was in your same situation one month ago, and I almost forgot about it. Now my 360 is bricked and won't even start. But it sucks you have to pay for repairs, maybe you should simply wait and see what happens. If it goes with the three leds, then you could try the towel trick and cross your fingers.