I don't think Asimov is the person you should compare any writer to. Dude is fucking insane, he's the only person to write 9 out of 10 Dewey decimal categories.
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GRRM, still unfinished with book 6, plans to open film studio
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afternoon delight
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Basically. 1-5 were wonderful in my eyes, sure it'd be amazing to get proper conclusions but.... There's always the possibility you don't want the writer to rush out the finale.
Straight Edge
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To clarify we will never get a GRRM as sole author book 7 published while he is alive.
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
I wonder if there's a writer out there who could realistically take the reins from Martin and finish the story. Maybe Joe Abercrombie? Erikson? I dunno.
afternoon delight
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Imagine Neil Gaiman pinch hitting for the good of all mankind and delivering us the final two (three).
I'll let me myself out now, into that universe.
Throwing a wild guess, the easier name is James Corey, pen name of Daniel Abraham and Ty Frank, who have wrote Leviathan Wakes and The Expanse.
Expanse may be sci-fi, but it doesn't take a literary genius to see how heavy the influence of Martin's work is on them, and they've collaborated for more than a decade, including Abraham rewriting AGOT as a graphic novel.
I still believe Martin will get TWOW out, as some point, but ADOS is a goner, and i don't think 7 books will be enough anyway.
The Artisan
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why do you say that?
Yoda
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Book 4 and 5 were not originally planned. After the events which transpired in ASoS, George was going to pull a: "and 5 years later..." to allow Dany to come to Westeros w/fully grown dragons. The felt like a cop out to him, thus he instead fleshed out the Essos storyline and added more storylines to Westeros. D&D didn't care for the extra storylines in Westeros in the show, thus the show has significantly diverged from the books at this point:
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Sansa marrying Ramsey
Davos being at Castle Black
Nearly everything that happened in Dorne
Dead Mance Rayder
The most recent seasons are the show writers creating their own content, which they aren't very good at (Dorne).
Drastical difference between finishing a story that was always meant to be finished and for which there's an outline for, and just going merry-go-lucky on the IP.
echoshifting
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How on earth would that have a negative impact on the show? "It's official: HBO is your only source for the ending of this story."
Because they have thrown everything about the books out the window. They literally downgraded and whitewashed some of the characters and made up a tons of filler that makes no sense. In terms of a simple adaptation the show fails to capture any sort of spirit from the books In that regard its a complete failure and its only purpose at this point is to appease the main stream audience. This has become about as bad of a adaptation as the Hobbit was and that is not a good thing at all. Shame because seasons 1-3 were good.
adamantypants
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Glad I never got into the books. When I started watching GoT, I started reading ASOIAF, learned about his tendency to take his sweet ass time, then stopped after the first book.
OT, sounds cool for a studio. Lets see how it actually pans out
OT, sounds cool for a studio. Lets see how it actually pans out
The original Dune novels are like a bible to me.
Every time I see this shit I want to punch their existence so hard they end up in an alternate universe.
Pops Maellard
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I'm a pretty obsessive fan of his work in that area, but fuck it. I would do the same if I was in his place. In fact, I'd probably just publicly announce that I was going to spend the rest of my life burning through the money and never finish the books.
Dude has lived a life of relative obscurity and average income, and now he's wealthy and famous. Might as well enjoy it. The book was never going to be finished anyway.
Season 6 is all original content and it's the show's best year.
Supposedly, Frank Herbert did write some kind of outline for his final Dune book. This example doesn't get any better if cut out all the prequels and spin offs, and are left with nothing but a miserable conclusion to a beloved series.
Strangelove77
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They all died on the way back to their home planet. The end.
TwntyOneTwlv
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The thought of this happening has me all excited in ways I never thought I could be.
George, admit defeat and pass the baton to Neil. It's time.
Dany's/Meereen's storyline in ADWD could have benefitted from a little bit of editing/tighter pacing in a couple of spots, but all in all there's no dip in quality. It shows her trying to be a respectable, diplomatic ruler not following too closely in the footsteps of her crazy predecessors and big brother, since all she has done (successfully) up to that point is conquer & destroy, which is not going to do her any good when she gets to Westeros. It's unfortunate she's doing so in a nest of treacherous vipers waiting to backstab her and other unfortunate stuff happens too like the dragons starting to be too big to consider them cute little things that can roam freely anymore and not ferocious beasts with huge appetites.
No need to make what amounts to a teasery cliffhanger with one silly aspect into such a huge deal as if that's of any indication of the rest of her story's quality.
That would be better. I'd have more respect for him if he did that. I think we all would. Don't lead people on and say you're working on a book for 17 years and say it's always coming out in a few months. Be honest and say you just don't care anymore.
Imo it's kind of a slap in the face to the fans of the books who got him to where he was. But whatever! Make movies and tv shows instead.
Yoda
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I wasn't generalizing the entire season, notice the: "(Dorne)".
Avid Reading Horse
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As he wastes more and more time shitting them out, his books have gotten worse. So it is what it is, the TV show will give us an ending. My personal interest in the franchise has waned to the point where I don't know if I have much interest in wading through all the irrelevant bullshit like Dornish Sailor Prince in that last one. At this point TV Cliff's Notes edition is preferable to me.
Monocle
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If S5 were the latest season, I'd be tempted to agree, but S6 turned that completely around. And I say this as a book reader who was prepared to drop the show.
Interesting, thanks.
The Greek Freak
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I've officially resigned myself to the fact that the series will be finished by show with D tier writing, or some assistant of Grrm's years after his death.
I would be really sad about this but the show has been such a flaming dumpster filled with feces that it has made me care so much less about the books.
I would be really sad about this but the show has been such a flaming dumpster filled with feces that it has made me care so much less about the books.
Whoa, I can only imagine the colorful metaphors you could harness to describe other actually bad television shows
m_shortpants
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I've given up hope at this point.
I'm just looking forward to the show ending so I can move on with my life.
I'm just looking forward to the show ending so I can move on with my life.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Too much money to be made. It will happen.
Again, nothing wrong with him exploring other interests. But to pretend he's still working on those books is absolutely shitty behavior toward the people who care about his work.
Just be honest and straight with people and not lead them on.
eot
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I wish he'd finish the books, but I don't think he owes anyone jack shit and the people who complain about any story that isn't him writing 24/7 need to take a step back and re-evaluate things.
Who did they take out of Meereen? Selmy? (I haven't watched S6 btw, but I don't think you're referring to that).
Anyway, Meereen is so bad in the books it's hard to say it's worse in the show. They're both bad in different ways. There are some readings of those chapters that do make them more interesting in hindsight, but they're still a bore to go through. A hundred pages of shit like "Reznak mo Reznak"
Who did they take out of Meereen? Selmy? (I haven't watched S6 btw, but I don't think you're referring to that).
Anyway, Meereen is so bad in the books it's hard to say it's worse in the show. They're both bad in different ways. There are some readings of those chapters that do make them more interesting in hindsight, but they're still a bore to go through. A hundred pages of shit like "Reznak mo Reznak"
The Artisan
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i'm curious can you expand on why you feel these things?
i watched this show rapid fire an episode a day so i didn't dislike it mostly, but maybe if you broke down your complaints further maybe it will make sense to me
I still have faith. I think he will finish the books. And I think they will be amazing.
And if he doesn't, I'm still not gonna watch the show. They're too far away from the original story now. The show is basically bad fanfiction at this stage. I started getting irritated about little changes they were making before they even jumped off the rails. At this point I doubt I could get through more than a couple of episodes without raging.
And if he doesn't, I'm still not gonna watch the show. They're too far away from the original story now. The show is basically bad fanfiction at this stage. I started getting irritated about little changes they were making before they even jumped off the rails. At this point I doubt I could get through more than a couple of episodes without raging.
The Greek Freak
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The problem is the show flails wildly.
Some of the actors are consistently brilliant.
Some of the actors are hilariously bad.
Some of the show's non book additions/changes are great! (best example, S1 convo between Cercei/Robert)
Some of the show's non book additions/changes are so dumb I can't imagine how anyone involved thought it was a good idea.
If the show was just 100% trash it would annoy me less, but there are diamonds rolling around the diarrhea pool full of used needles from an AIDS clinic.
Just watch the show for the comedic value, then you can enjoy the 40 minutes of so bad it's good AND the 5-10 minutes of oh fuck that was good.
That said of the 8 people I know who read the books none of them watch the show anymore because they think it sucks.
Napalm_Frank
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I want Preston Jacobs to finish the series just for the meltdowns.
Bumblebeetuna
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I waited a long ass time for The Dark Tower to finish, I can wait for this. At less there's a good TV show to tide us over. Never understood people who bitch and whine about the show compared to the books. Just disconnect the two and you can enjoy both.
TatteredHat
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Once the show is finished, I imagine most people will just call it a day there and move on. It's a shame, but every time I hear about GRRM in the news it's about anything BUT him working on finishing the books.
Teren_Kanan
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I absolutely recognize that I AM THE ONE being selfish here.
But fuck George RR Martin. Finish your fucking books and stop leading people on with your bullshit!
I feel better now.
That said, I'm not using hyperbole anymore when I say I honestly don't believe he will finish the books.
But fuck George RR Martin. Finish your fucking books and stop leading people on with your bullshit!
I feel better now.
That said, I'm not using hyperbole anymore when I say I honestly don't believe he will finish the books.
The Greek Freak
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So alot of the changes the show makes are for budgetary reasons, like spending a bunch on dragon CGI but basically pretending the wolves don't exist. Sure it's annoying but understandable.
However let's take the most easy and clear example of them ruining characters for really, no reason.
Spoilers for the first 3 books/first 4 seasons of the show
The following is why I felt bad for book Rob/Cat but wanted nothing but the worst for them in the show.
In the books, Rob breaks his vow to the Frey's for a few reasons
- He is distraught after hearing that Bran/Rickon are dead.
- He is wounded in a battle and he sleeps with the noble girl who tends to his wounds.
- After sleeping with the girl he doesn't want to make a bastard like Jon so he decides he must marry her.
In the show? Rob is a horny idiot who got what he deserved and he only learned about Bran and Rickon's "death" after he already fucked up.
In the books, Cat only releases Jaime because she is distraught about the deaths of Bran and Rickon. In her panic she releases Jaime to try and save Arya/Sansa.
In the show she is just a dumbass who releases him for no good reason.
- He is distraught after hearing that Bran/Rickon are dead.
- He is wounded in a battle and he sleeps with the noble girl who tends to his wounds.
- After sleeping with the girl he doesn't want to make a bastard like Jon so he decides he must marry her.
In the show? Rob is a horny idiot who got what he deserved and he only learned about Bran and Rickon's "death" after he already fucked up.
In the books, Cat only releases Jaime because she is distraught about the deaths of Bran and Rickon. In her panic she releases Jaime to try and save Arya/Sansa.
In the show she is just a dumbass who releases him for no good reason.
Now here is why show Brienne is closer to the Mountain than she is too who she is in the books.
Spoilers for book 5? Season 4? of the show.
Book Brienne is a great fighter, but has never actually killed a man or fought outside of training or in a melee.
When she finally has to kill someone she hesitates, and crossing that line is hard for her, VERY hard.
In the show Brienne just acts like she is the biggest badass in Westeros history and casually kills like 4 soldiers in two seconds when they stop her and Jaime.
Who is she, the skilled but green knight who is too naive for her own good? Or is she the female version of the mountain who rides, slaughtering all who stand in her way with no issues?
When she finally has to kill someone she hesitates, and crossing that line is hard for her, VERY hard.
In the show Brienne just acts like she is the biggest badass in Westeros history and casually kills like 4 soldiers in two seconds when they stop her and Jaime.
Who is she, the skilled but green knight who is too naive for her own good? Or is she the female version of the mountain who rides, slaughtering all who stand in her way with no issues?
There are plenty of other worse changes, but those two are the clearest, most pointless bastardization of characters.
If you pretend like the books don't exist the vast majority of the characters are just straight up dumbasses who have no reasons behind their actions at all.
It's safe to say nothing as close to as great as this part from the books happened in Meereen in the show. http://youtu.be/YVJa4Fl34l4
elrechazado
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Good stuff -. Spoilers on renly and loras below:
Loras and Renly go from strong, independent characters with nuance who happen to be gay, to sissy gay stereotypes.
The Greek Freak
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I totally forgot about that, such cringey writing. It's like the writers have never met a gay person who wasn't a complete embodiment of a stereotype, I'm almost surprised the show didn't give them over the top lisps.
Well not if I don't think the TV show is very good
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