I gotta cosign those settings. I'm assuming it's for the Dell s2716dg, because those are the exact settings I found on reddit and used on mine. MASSIVE improvement over what I had it on before.
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Gsync is the greatest PC upgrade I've ever done
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If you're new to higher refresh rates I'm not surprised you feel amazed by a new monitor. I just don't think it's because of g-sync.
Honestly, g-sync is overhyped and overpriced for what it does. Playing games without v-sync on a regular 144hz mode already mitigates most visible tearing over the same games on a 60hz screen regardless of frame rate. Even if I didn't have g-sync, tearing is not a factor I seriously consider. I could just play without v-sync at the higher refresh and reap 90% of the benefits of g-sync. No input lag, no judder. With refresh rates, the higher you go, the less time any individual tear is on the screen for you to notice.
Funnily enough, the best part of g-sync for me is that it overrides the desktop v-sync on Windows 10, which you normally can't do, working around the inherent input lag associated with it and borderless gaming on W8/W10.
Factor in that 200hz+ monitors are starting to emerge in the market and g-sync is a a very tiny factor in my purchasing decision going forward.
Your new monitor is just great overall. If you play games north of 144fps for a while (like Overwatch) and then try to boot up something like Dark Souls 3 (locked to 60) it will actually feel like a slideshow.
Honestly, g-sync is overhyped and overpriced for what it does. Playing games without v-sync on a regular 144hz mode already mitigates most visible tearing over the same games on a 60hz screen regardless of frame rate. Even if I didn't have g-sync, tearing is not a factor I seriously consider. I could just play without v-sync at the higher refresh and reap 90% of the benefits of g-sync. No input lag, no judder. With refresh rates, the higher you go, the less time any individual tear is on the screen for you to notice.
Funnily enough, the best part of g-sync for me is that it overrides the desktop v-sync on Windows 10, which you normally can't do, working around the inherent input lag associated with it and borderless gaming on W8/W10.
Factor in that 200hz+ monitors are starting to emerge in the market and g-sync is a a very tiny factor in my purchasing decision going forward.
Your new monitor is just great overall. If you play games north of 144fps for a while (like Overwatch) and then try to boot up something like Dark Souls 3 (locked to 60) it will actually feel like a slideshow.
Playing without vsync loses you more than just a tear free image, it loses a nicely synchronised smooth image. I play CSGO with G-Sync on - with the framerate capped below 144fps to avoid the input lag when it hits the refresh rate - and when I try playing without G-Sync it's unbelievable how much difference just having nicely synced frames makes. Given I've played various iterations of CS for a very long time, including CSGO without vsync at high framerates (including on a high refresh monitor pre-gsync) and it felt as smooth as it could be - until I tried playing it with G-Sync on - now I can't go back.
The biggest thing for is that it pretty much completely removes one of the biggest headaches in gaming: vsync issues. People really don't realise how many problems it causes.. because we've lived with them for so long. Not having to rely on a game not having something wrong with vsync or other related issues has improved gaming massively for me.
The biggest thing for is that it pretty much completely removes one of the biggest headaches in gaming: vsync issues. People really don't realise how many problems it causes.. because we've lived with them for so long. Not having to rely on a game not having something wrong with vsync or other related issues has improved gaming massively for me.
There is nothing wrong with enjoying your monitors, its just that most people move from 60hz to 144hz and think that difference is the "gsync experience".
You really need g-sync on high refresh monitors unless you like tearing and frame drops.
I would take 100hz g-sync over 144 not g-sync. It helps even in games locked to 60 fps
TheRealJakoozie
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I tried a gsync monitor and honestly didn't notice a difference. Even the difference in hz (going from 60 to 144)
I don't like proprietary technology anyway. So I will not buy a gsync monitor if I can avoid it.
What I care more about is getting a monitor with good contrast and black levels, no back light bleed and HDR, with high refresh rate. Basically I want a monitor that rivals my new Samsung TV when it comes to IQ. Until then I'm not interested.
I'm honestly baffled that people pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars for monitors that have such mediocre IQ as the current gsync monitors have. But then it's a matter of taste too. I love it when the image "pops". I don't care about realism.
I don't like proprietary technology anyway. So I will not buy a gsync monitor if I can avoid it.
What I care more about is getting a monitor with good contrast and black levels, no back light bleed and HDR, with high refresh rate. Basically I want a monitor that rivals my new Samsung TV when it comes to IQ. Until then I'm not interested.
I'm honestly baffled that people pay hundreds and hundreds of dollars for monitors that have such mediocre IQ as the current gsync monitors have. But then it's a matter of taste too. I love it when the image "pops". I don't care about realism.
styl3s
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When gsync makes affordable 27" ips panels i will jump on one but having used a TN gsync panel and the IPS freesync one i have now i prefer the freesync.
I couldn't notice a difference between freesync and gsync but the difference between the TN panel and IPS were highly noticeable especially with the work i am in.
I couldn't notice a difference between freesync and gsync but the difference between the TN panel and IPS were highly noticeable especially with the work i am in.
I think the jump from 60-144hz is way more noticeable than an SSD. I got a 500GB awhile back and barely noticed load time differences in GTA/BF1. The boot up time is nice but i rarely even put games on it these days.
Sure there is monitors with good IQ but those are not meant for gaming just like TVs are not meant for gaming.
Fixed2BeBroken
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There doesn't seem to be an official thread, so I guess I will post this here
Just picked up this monitor...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-ro...d-gsync-monitor-black/5376601.p?skuId=5376601
What's the rule of the thumb with Vsync here? Do I leave it off or turn it on. One website I read said, leave it on but turn it off in games.
However, I thought the point of Gsync was so that we could disable Vsync to get better Fps?
Secondly...
When I turn Vsync off, I still get some VERY minor tear....like in Overwatch....if I'm moving the screen from left to right real fast on certain parts of the map, small artifact tears occur...nothing that goes across the whole screen, but just like small artifacts. Is that normal? Is it because I should have Vsync on?
Just picked up this monitor...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-ro...d-gsync-monitor-black/5376601.p?skuId=5376601
What's the rule of the thumb with Vsync here? Do I leave it off or turn it on. One website I read said, leave it on but turn it off in games.
However, I thought the point of Gsync was so that we could disable Vsync to get better Fps?
Secondly...
When I turn Vsync off, I still get some VERY minor tear....like in Overwatch....if I'm moving the screen from left to right real fast on certain parts of the map, small artifact tears occur...nothing that goes across the whole screen, but just like small artifacts. Is that normal? Is it because I should have Vsync on?
Taco_Human
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So I already have a 144 HZ monitor and see no more screen tearing in general anymore. What's Gsync in it for me?
Not much. Tearing will just go from 'barely noticeable' to 'non-existent'. GSync/Freesync really earns its money at 4K 60Hz though.
You must disable V-Sync in the game to enable G-Sync.
When you have a G-Sync display, the V-Sync option in the NVIDIA Control Panel only applies when the framerate is outside of the monitor's refresh rate range. E.g. below 40 FPS and above 144 FPS.
That sounds like you have V-Sync disabled in the Control Panel and your framerate is outside the G-Sync window.
That's why people often use a framerate limiter in combination with G-Sync.
When you limit the framerate to something just below the maximum refresh rate, it prevents the game from going outside the G-Sync range.
Start with a framerate limit that matches your refresh rate and work down until the tearing disappears.
That sounds like you're playing in Borderless Windowed Mode (triple-buffered V-Sync) more than anything else.
High refresh rates don't eliminate screen tearing by themselves.
G-Sync reduces latency compared to V-Sync, and eliminates the judder caused by the framerate not being locked to a divisor of the refresh rate; e.g. 144/72/48/36 FPS on a 144Hz display.
It's 30 FPS for G-Sync. I think Freensync is the one that has 40 as a minimum.
About the guy who can't see tearing at 144 Hz, it's because indeed the screen tear much less (as in less time on screen) than in a 60 Hz monitor, so it's probably good enough for a lot of people, even if they hate tearing at 60 Hz. The tearing will still be there, but the effect will be much less pronounced since it lasts less time.
It depends on the monitor. It's not universally 30Hz.
Different panel types are only able to hold an image for so long before they need to refresh.
The difference is that G-Sync doesn't have the same restriction as FreeSync for LFC where the maximum refresh rate has to be at least 2.5x the minimum.
It may be less noticeable, but it doesn't eliminate tearing.
If he's not seeing any tearing, it's likely that he's playing games in borderless window mode; i.e. V-Synced.
chaosblade
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I have a Freesync monitor that's 30-144hz. But at least at the time I got this one there weren't many with a range that big.
And unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't Fast Sync be the ideal solution for framerates above the Gsync range? Or does the framerate have to be much higher for that to be effective?
Yeah but that's so 5 years ago.
My old modded VG248QE finally shit the bed last week, and I'm not going to lie guys there was something fierce in my eye that night...
Tried out 4K 12bit HDR on a friend's TV he uses for his Pro, and I'm sorry but no gsync absolutely zero chance of me ever fucking buying a it or one without it ever again. The frame instability and judder was terrible, I can't believe I used to put up with that. Never. Again.
Sillyness aside, I I did pick up the PG278QR as a replacement and @_@ I honestly did not think the res bump would be as directly noticeable as this was. It's not quite as massive as the jump from my old 1024x768 screen to my first 1920x1080 monitor, but it's still really quite nice looking. I know some of you are probably wondering why I didn't pick up a 4k one, but my 980ti just ain't got the juice for it at the framerates I want, and I wasn't really looking to buy both a monitor and a GPU at the same time, so I figured I'd buy this as a stopgap between now and when I get my next GPU. I don't plan on going full on 4K anyways until I can get a 4K HDR gsync panel that doesn't cost an arm and leg, and I'm pretty sure the 980ti will hold me strong until probably 1180ti comes around.
Tried out 4K 12bit HDR on a friend's TV he uses for his Pro, and I'm sorry but no gsync absolutely zero chance of me ever fucking buying a it or one without it ever again. The frame instability and judder was terrible, I can't believe I used to put up with that. Never. Again.
Sillyness aside, I I did pick up the PG278QR as a replacement and @_@ I honestly did not think the res bump would be as directly noticeable as this was. It's not quite as massive as the jump from my old 1024x768 screen to my first 1920x1080 monitor, but it's still really quite nice looking. I know some of you are probably wondering why I didn't pick up a 4k one, but my 980ti just ain't got the juice for it at the framerates I want, and I wasn't really looking to buy both a monitor and a GPU at the same time, so I figured I'd buy this as a stopgap between now and when I get my next GPU. I don't plan on going full on 4K anyways until I can get a 4K HDR gsync panel that doesn't cost an arm and leg, and I'm pretty sure the 980ti will hold me strong until probably 1180ti comes around.
Soodanim
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There are probably a lot of people wondering if they'd be happy with G-Sync. I get huge buyer's remorse at times, but I felt none whatsoever with my monitor (AOC G2460PG, 1080p 144hz G-Sync, ULMB). If you prefer 60fps over 30 because you love how smooth it feels, double that smoothness and you have what it's like to play at 120+fps. Now add smoothness at each and every framerate despite how variable it is, and you have G-Sync. A few examples?
Red Faction: Guerilla. Caused a bit of chaos and one particular building explosion/collapse tanked the frame rate from 144 to 30. Nothing tore, nothing stuttered. It just went down, then went back up again and I carried on as normal through the whole spectrum of frame rates.
Sleeping Dogs. I usually use GTAV as my example, but this is easier to hit 120+ in. If you ever want to truly feel the benefit of a high framerate, go fast. Go as fast as possible, and feel the smoothness. There's a lot going on, and even when you can't hit 144 it just casually drops down and back up as it needs to. No worries.
Half-Life 2. This is my go-to game for certain settings. I'm on a 970, and I can crank up every setting to maximum, DSR (downscale/super sample) from 4k, and maintain a solid 120fps with ULMB turned on. The motion clarity from the almost non-existent LCD motion blur is fantastic, and the image quality from the DSR and max settings is the closest to perfect I've ever seen. It actually changed the way I play the game, because I want to go fast all the time with it like that. FEAR is another good game for that. This is incompatible with G-Sync, but it's often an included feature and I love it.
G-Sync is one of those things that you think is how it always should have been. Now I want to continue my DOOM 2016 run, because that game is another fantastic one for this tech. Great at a high pace and not one I maintain 144hz in, but it doesn't matter.
Red Faction: Guerilla. Caused a bit of chaos and one particular building explosion/collapse tanked the frame rate from 144 to 30. Nothing tore, nothing stuttered. It just went down, then went back up again and I carried on as normal through the whole spectrum of frame rates.
Sleeping Dogs. I usually use GTAV as my example, but this is easier to hit 120+ in. If you ever want to truly feel the benefit of a high framerate, go fast. Go as fast as possible, and feel the smoothness. There's a lot going on, and even when you can't hit 144 it just casually drops down and back up as it needs to. No worries.
Half-Life 2. This is my go-to game for certain settings. I'm on a 970, and I can crank up every setting to maximum, DSR (downscale/super sample) from 4k, and maintain a solid 120fps with ULMB turned on. The motion clarity from the almost non-existent LCD motion blur is fantastic, and the image quality from the DSR and max settings is the closest to perfect I've ever seen. It actually changed the way I play the game, because I want to go fast all the time with it like that. FEAR is another good game for that. This is incompatible with G-Sync, but it's often an included feature and I love it.
G-Sync is one of those things that you think is how it always should have been. Now I want to continue my DOOM 2016 run, because that game is another fantastic one for this tech. Great at a high pace and not one I maintain 144hz in, but it doesn't matter.
PowerThroughLov
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Ive never been all that bothered by frame splitting (I AM bothered by it, but I just dont notice it that often anymore), and I dont find input lag to be an issue. So GSYNC didnt do much for me at all.
I find the Dell U3415W, a 34" Ultrawide that is 'only' 60fps and no gsync, to be far more impressive.
I find the Dell U3415W, a 34" Ultrawide that is 'only' 60fps and no gsync, to be far more impressive.
grandwizard
Member
Damn, how did your VG248QE die? I have one of those too and now I'm worried!
Totally agree about never going back to no gsync. Seeing games run on other monitors is quite jarring.
It's really weird right now, G-Sync/Freesync(havent tried myself but should be near) feel like such an amazing step up in technology but it's like we are waiting for the rest of the world to wake up to it.
For real.
Please, could everyone stop talking about Gsync ? I can't take it. I mean, litteraly, I haven't the financial means to take one of these screens.
plz stahp
Most of the people who are buying these Gsync monitors are just being introduced to High Refresh monitors and hyping that aspect in this thread. If you already have a High refresh monitor and upgrading to Gsync, it's not really much of a difference other than judder fix and low response time.
It doesn't make low fps in games to feel 60 fps smooth, it just smooths out the judder. You do still feel the sluggishness of low frame drops.
You can disable G-Sync, so you can use the screen as a high refresh rate monitor for comparison.
Having G-Sync enabled makes a big difference in my opinion.
High refresh rate alone isn't worth it. If I'm already paying the premium for a high refresh rate display, I'd pay the extra to get G-Sync. (or FreeSync)
That's true; any time it drops much below 50-55 FPS or so, things still feel really bad even with G-Sync.
I do think that many people over-hype this aspect of G-Sync - either that or they were already okay with playing games at 30 FPS. (I am not)
But it means that if a game is mostly running at 60+ FPS, you don't notice the small dips below it - which are very noticeable on a 60Hz V-Synced display.
And I can run a game at something like 75-100 FPS and it just feels completely smooth, which is not the case if I use the screen as a fixed refresh rate monitor.
I would have to set it to 75Hz and cap it at that - and even then there will still be times it drops below 75 FPS.
G-Sync is definitely not the end to chasing higher framerates for me.
If anything, the fact that I went from 1080p to 3440x1440 is making me want to upgrade my 1070 to a 1080 Ti, rather than extending its life.
I have been surprised at how well a 1070 is handling that resolution in most games - but I'm still having to tune the settings in some for 60+ FPS, not just setting the game to ultra and playing at whatever it gives me, like some people with G-Sync monitors seem to do.
Winterblink
Member
GeForce Experience warns you about that with a toaster popup. You have to go back in and re-enable gsync in windowed mode again. Dunno why, it's super annoying.
Lockjaw333
Member
I have an excellent IPS monitor ( Dell U2414H) and I don't want to go back to TN, but the prices on IPS Gsync panels are absurd.
Would it be crazy to get a TN gsync panel just for FPS gaming? That Dell that always goes on sale intrigues me. Are recent TN panels better? I can't even look at my Asus vs248h-p 1080p TN anymore, it's so vastly inferior to my IPS.
Would it be crazy to get a TN gsync panel just for FPS gaming? That Dell that always goes on sale intrigues me. Are recent TN panels better? I can't even look at my Asus vs248h-p 1080p TN anymore, it's so vastly inferior to my IPS.
n0razi
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If you dont mind refurb, you can get good deals... I picked up my 27" Acer 144Hz IPS Gsync for $399 shipped about a year ago
I have a different problem where I got an OLED HDTV and now my IPS monitor looks like shit lol
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I don't really notice tearing at 144hz. I like gsync because there's low input lag, and it makes 60fps gsync'd at 144hz look just as good as 60fps vsync'd at 60hz.
Third person games benefit the most, because steady but low (about 30) framerates still look relatively good.
With first person games I need the frames so I'll drop settings.
SolidSnakeUS
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