pharmboy044
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Yeah, we need some controversy to talk about to add some spice to GAF.DoomXploder7 said:
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GT Bonus Round: Major Releases Head to Head
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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JWong said:
Nope.
DerZuhälter
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let me guess.
every episode will end with: "these are both really great games and you should by both!"
every episode will end with: "these are both really great games and you should by both!"
InternHertz
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I get them doing a H2H between MW3 and BF3...
...but between Skyrim and Dark Souls? They don't aim for the same thing at all.
Gotta wait for the third part to see why they did this or if they go off-track too much.
...but between Skyrim and Dark Souls? They don't aim for the same thing at all.
and Dark Souls wins anyway
Gotta wait for the third part to see why they did this or if they go off-track too much.
That someone (not you) would remember such a thing and bring it up as their first comment in a thread is as you say extremely 'sad'. If you find yourself complaining about a 9.3 score not only in the heat of the moment but two years later then you're taking things a wee bit too seriously. I played and loved Uncharted 2, it was my game of the year, but in no way do I think a 9.3 is unreasonable for what the game is.Massa said:
As for this episode I'm glad they didn't focus too much on sales, as many(if not all) of these 'duels' can be fairly easily summed up on the basis of sales. Similarly I don't think the rest of these head to heads will be nearly as unanimous on the basis of quality as this one, especially as from now on the games tend to differ far greater than in the BF3/MW3 comparison.
Comments like this are just ridiculous though, imagine if one of them on the Bonus Round made such a crass, blanket statement.Derrick01 said:
For the record I didn't enjoy Demon Souls so it's not as if I'm one of those people blind enough to defend something to the hilt, I just appreciate that many people massively enjoy what From Software have built and to make an assertive comment like that is being a bit ignorant.
Oh and for the record I disliked Oblivion too.
JacksUsername
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Paches-EJ- said:
Their video editor had to have put that there for laughs. I hope at least.
Arnie said:
The 9.3 isn't the problem, it's how the idiot editor defended it from the sites comments (not saying he needed to) with saying it's not innovative and then seemingly suggesting MW2 is.
I listened to the GT podcast for a bit, and the guy is a complete idiot. He thought the Blizzard real names on forums thing was a good idea because his own site has a shitty forum, and once asked whether Russians ever fought Nazis.
Arnie said:
Yeah but I'm not a reviewer so I don't have to pretend to be professional. I know Skyrim will be a much better game as I hated DS and loved Oblivion. It's a far more ambitious endeavor and it suits my tastes more.
clip said:
It is to console gamers though. I had a discussion with a clerk at gamestop when I was preordering dungeon siege 3 about BF (he tried to get me to preorder it of course), and he kept bringing up modern combat as his BF2 experience. Instead of correcting him I just let it go as I wasn't interested in spending 40 minutes there.
Diprosalic
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should have been skyrim vs minecraft.
I'll probably not buy either, but I imagine MW3 will be better as far as consoles go. 60fps can't be underestimated, there is literally no possibility of BF3 being as responsive, and for a MP shooter, that's far more important than destructibility and vehicles I think.
I like Dice though, ME is one of my favorite games this generation.
As for the others:
Arkham City, not played AC since the first one, which wasn't great.
Skyrim, but I don't really care about either. Oblivion was shit.
Uncharted 3, they'll both be solid, but UC2 is hugely better than Gears 2.
I like Dice though, ME is one of my favorite games this generation.
As for the others:
Arkham City, not played AC since the first one, which wasn't great.
Skyrim, but I don't really care about either. Oblivion was shit.
Uncharted 3, they'll both be solid, but UC2 is hugely better than Gears 2.
JacksUsername
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BY2K said:
I..uh..number two...wow. Never mind
As far as Battlefield vs Call of Duty, rooting for Battlefield all the way!
Inconsistency in scores and critique is a problem for the industry and may sometimes be attributed to the absurd lengths publishers go to woo journalists into their PR machine. Audiences are at fault of this too, with people often falling for hype time and time again. Whilst I can see where the comment about MW2 being innovative and original may cause confusion, that doesn't take away from the fact that his critique of Uncharted 2 was fairly on point, and that despite this largely sound comment he still gave the game a 9.3 (a phenomenal score).f0rk said:
Shane Satterfield isn't the only one in the industry to fall for Activision's finely sharpened PR juggernaut in relation to the Call of Duty games and he shouldn't be singled out because of it.
Arnie said:
I know it doesn't really matter, it's just something to add to my list of reasons I really don't like Shane.
Does anyone else feel the apparent ever marching CoD advance in skill is overblown? Maybe it's different on consoles, but whenever I've returned to any shooter the people with high ranks still aren't particularly good and I can out aim them.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Most player never finish SP, a short flashy ride is all most people want. People who by MW3 just for SP are morons who let themselves get swept up in hype without looking into why the hype is there in the first place.DennisK4 said:
Both games offer different experiences, so most people will wind up buying both games I think. Modern Warfare is popular because matches are easy to get into, quick, and more accommodating to the lone-wolf player who just likes to run-and-gun. Battlefield is more based on team work and matches last longer. If you don't have a solid group to play with in Battlefield, you're probably not having any fun. I can't wait to play both games, but I'll probably end up playing Modern Warfare 3 the most because I can hop online by myself and have fun.
bigtroyjon
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The 360 had more than a third of it's consoles not hooked up to the internet pre slim (can't find any more recent data). Not only are lots of people sticking with single player, quite of few of them couldn't play mp if they wanted to.DennisK4 said:
Seems to be one of those things that usually gets forgotten when discussing games on the internet.
edit- At the beginning of 2011 they had shipped 50.9 million consoles with 30 million xbox live members.
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Skyrim vs Dark Souls?DennisK4 said:
I'm pretty excited about both, but Black Ops mp just didn't get me hooked like MW1+2 did. The thing that kept drawing me back was Zombies with friends. It still is usually the only reason I play Black Ops now. I'm hoping MW3 can have a similar effect to that of the original MW.
Battlefield 3 though, still appeals to me a lot more. That said, I'm still a little cautious about BF3 on the consoles. Still no idea how much more condensed everything is going to be compared to the PC multiplayer. Obviously there's the smaller player number per match, and I believe the maps will be scaled down, or something similar, but I don't know much besides that. Waiting for more info, and hopefully the beta.
Battlefield 3 though, still appeals to me a lot more. That said, I'm still a little cautious about BF3 on the consoles. Still no idea how much more condensed everything is going to be compared to the PC multiplayer. Obviously there's the smaller player number per match, and I believe the maps will be scaled down, or something similar, but I don't know much besides that. Waiting for more info, and hopefully the beta.
As for me I'd much rather play Battlefield over MW because BF2 was one of my favourite games of all time, and I prefer the slightly slower, more considered pace of Battlefield combined with deeper bullet physics, destruction and vehicles. It just makes for a more engaging war experience in my opinion, although I won't deny MW was fantastic back in 2007, it just needs a big leap forward rather than an incremental difference each year. I may rent MW3 to play with my buddies at launch but I won't be playing it months and years from release like I will with Battlefield.
In terms of Assassin's Creed and Batman this is a tougher one. I know I'll enjoy Batman much more but I'll end up buying both so I can (hopefully) conclude Ezio's story, although the buzz of Assassin's Creed was lost a little for me with Brotherhood as I felt it far too little an improvement. It would take some serious addition to the formula to make me enjoy it as much as I did the second. As for Batman well I'm unbelievably excited, if it wasn't for Uncharted 2 then it would have been my GotY without question. Rocksteady just nailed that feeling of being Batman in every way and it looks like they are taking the franchise in the right direction with regards to how they create sequels. Looks better in every way.
As for the RPG's I won't buy either. As I said I didn't enjoy Demon Souls and I also didn't enjoy Oblivion. The former was just too relentless to me and it's punishing attitude took away from the fun I was having with the combat system, although I can appreciate the satisfaction some get from it. As for Oblivion I just found it far too loose in what it guided me towards, don't get me wrong I enjoy a sense of freedom but in more of a sandbox way rather than a completely open game world. I enjoy cinematic freedom rather than a totally direction free experience, KOTOR for example. Furthermore I found the combat to be pretty awful (which is a big issue seen as that's the primary way of interacting with the expansive game world) and the whole fantasy of killing orcs with swords is one I've just never grasped.
Finally there's Uncharted and Gears. I'll love Uncharted 3's singleplayer (like I did with 1 and 2) but at this point I'd much rather have Gears. Like I say I'm a multiplayer man at heart and in this context I feel the games are quite far apart. I much prefer Gears' style of multiplayer to Uncharted's judging from 2 and now the beta, and the Gears 3 beta was phenomenal in every way, winning back my love for the franchise after the travesty that was 2. I feel Gears relies more on individual skill than Uncharted and if I'm going to spend vast amounts of hours with a games multiplayer component then this is the metric I'll judge it on. I understand the people saying they'd rather have Uncharted, I can't wait to get back to Drake, but if I think about what I'm going to be playing a year from launch it certainly isn't Uncharted.
In terms of Assassin's Creed and Batman this is a tougher one. I know I'll enjoy Batman much more but I'll end up buying both so I can (hopefully) conclude Ezio's story, although the buzz of Assassin's Creed was lost a little for me with Brotherhood as I felt it far too little an improvement. It would take some serious addition to the formula to make me enjoy it as much as I did the second. As for Batman well I'm unbelievably excited, if it wasn't for Uncharted 2 then it would have been my GotY without question. Rocksteady just nailed that feeling of being Batman in every way and it looks like they are taking the franchise in the right direction with regards to how they create sequels. Looks better in every way.
As for the RPG's I won't buy either. As I said I didn't enjoy Demon Souls and I also didn't enjoy Oblivion. The former was just too relentless to me and it's punishing attitude took away from the fun I was having with the combat system, although I can appreciate the satisfaction some get from it. As for Oblivion I just found it far too loose in what it guided me towards, don't get me wrong I enjoy a sense of freedom but in more of a sandbox way rather than a completely open game world. I enjoy cinematic freedom rather than a totally direction free experience, KOTOR for example. Furthermore I found the combat to be pretty awful (which is a big issue seen as that's the primary way of interacting with the expansive game world) and the whole fantasy of killing orcs with swords is one I've just never grasped.
Finally there's Uncharted and Gears. I'll love Uncharted 3's singleplayer (like I did with 1 and 2) but at this point I'd much rather have Gears. Like I say I'm a multiplayer man at heart and in this context I feel the games are quite far apart. I much prefer Gears' style of multiplayer to Uncharted's judging from 2 and now the beta, and the Gears 3 beta was phenomenal in every way, winning back my love for the franchise after the travesty that was 2. I feel Gears relies more on individual skill than Uncharted and if I'm going to spend vast amounts of hours with a games multiplayer component then this is the metric I'll judge it on. I understand the people saying they'd rather have Uncharted, I can't wait to get back to Drake, but if I think about what I'm going to be playing a year from launch it certainly isn't Uncharted.
On Weekend Confirmed, Garnett sounded like he wants to hate the Uncharted 3 multiplayer, but without an excuse or reason why. It was literally cringe worthy to listen to, so I'm wondering what he says on the bonus round, or if he has the same attitude towards Gears 3 having mulitplayer.
Cartman86 said:
I don't know about the people on this video but among the players it's almost unanimous that BC2 has a better campaign. However, they still think it's a terrible and boring campaign for a big budget FPS so it doesn't really matter in the end. It's all multiplayer with that game.
Battlefield 3 vs Modern Warfare 3 - Tough. I'm not personally interested in either. It seems like BF 3 is going to be great for military shooter fans, but I can't imagine MW 3 not selling an ungodly amount.
Arkham City vs AC Revelations - Can't freaking wait for both of these games. Loved Arkham Asylum, and AC II and Brotherhood were both amazing. But sales wise, I think Revelations will definitely outsell Arkham City.
Skyrim vs Dark Souls - Only interested in one of these (Skyrim!) but both will probably be great for their respective audiences. Don't see the sales being all that close, though. I can see Skyrim easily selling more.
Gears 3 vs Uncharted 3 - Not terribly interested in either of these for some reason. I remember enjoying UC 2 and Gears 2, but I feel like I'll only be renting both of these. Sales will most likely be great for both. Gears is pretty much the only big 360 exclusive this year, though, so I can see it doing better numbers.
Arkham City vs AC Revelations - Can't freaking wait for both of these games. Loved Arkham Asylum, and AC II and Brotherhood were both amazing. But sales wise, I think Revelations will definitely outsell Arkham City.
Skyrim vs Dark Souls - Only interested in one of these (Skyrim!) but both will probably be great for their respective audiences. Don't see the sales being all that close, though. I can see Skyrim easily selling more.
Gears 3 vs Uncharted 3 - Not terribly interested in either of these for some reason. I remember enjoying UC 2 and Gears 2, but I feel like I'll only be renting both of these. Sales will most likely be great for both. Gears is pretty much the only big 360 exclusive this year, though, so I can see it doing better numbers.
Dr.Palutena
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Fjordson said:
have to agree with all of this except that i'm interested in UC3 and Gears3
The Antitype
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Wow. I guess Gametrailers decided that Geoff's obviously leading questions weren't quite getting the the guests into the over-simplified, sound-bite filled, 'controversial' discussions they wanted.
So now they're just setting up the show like an internet forum flame-war. Awesome.
Not looking forward to the AC vs Batman episode, simply because everybody on the damn show has openly professed being tired of the AC series despite the fact that it gets better and better with every release.
At the same time, every one of them came out of E3 fawning over Batman, saying 'It's everything that was great about Batman, but in AN OPEN WORLD!'... yeah, as if a free-form sandbox design automatically enhances a game 10fold.
If anything, I loved Batman: Arkham Asylum because of how refined and focused it was. A real sense of place and progression.
So that entire episode is basically going to be a Batman circle-jerk.
So now they're just setting up the show like an internet forum flame-war. Awesome.
Not looking forward to the AC vs Batman episode, simply because everybody on the damn show has openly professed being tired of the AC series despite the fact that it gets better and better with every release.
At the same time, every one of them came out of E3 fawning over Batman, saying 'It's everything that was great about Batman, but in AN OPEN WORLD!'... yeah, as if a free-form sandbox design automatically enhances a game 10fold.
If anything, I loved Batman: Arkham Asylum because of how refined and focused it was. A real sense of place and progression.
So that entire episode is basically going to be a Batman circle-jerk.
The Antitype
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alr1ghtstart said:
Nah, I don't mind people having different views than mine, so long as they're intelligent and supported with some kind of reason.
If they're tired of AC fine, but don't set it up on a show versus a game that has already been included in like 6 different 'most anticipated' countdown videos.
demosthenes
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Smision said:
You're gonna be pretty fat.
To be fair I think all comparisons are pretty ridiculous and unnecessary.soldat7 said:
Sure Dark Souls and Skyrim are extremely separate in how they play, but I think even the other pairs are different enough to invalidate the whole process.
I don't think the majority of people who like Call of Duty are that keen on Battlefield, and no amount of PR speak or Bonus Round episodes are going to change that. The two appear thematically similar but play very differently yet here we are comparing them as if they're different brands of milk chocolate. Just from speaking to people about the two franchises you often get a very sour reaction towards one of them, so it's not as if the two are close enough to start deliberating over.
But still, you're right, as far as ridiculous comparisons go Dark Souls and Skyrim take the cake.
In fact the food analogy seems appropriate. Gametrailers have linked the games, like I say, as if they're two brands of the same flavour, when in fact the comparisons are actually 'Which flavour do you prefer', so as a result, I don't know why they grouped them at all.
More hits.
SolidSnakex
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Arkham City vs. Assassin's Creed
http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/506?ch=2_hd
http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/506?ch=2_hd
NullPointer
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Still not sure what these game versus game battles are supposed to be. Are they debating success on a sales level? Or which one will be the better game? Or which one will have the best lasting power?
As it is, there is nothing to choose between MW3 and BF3 - I'm going to get both because both games play so very different (or at lest they should DICE!). Same deal with Batman and Assassins Creed - the similarities between both games are only skin deep and yeah, I'll end up getting both.
But if I had a gun to my head and had to choose one out of each duel, my choice is going to be about something that none of the hosts have really brought up. Which one is going to nickle and dime me less? Which ones offer the most lasting value and replay? Of the shooters which ones have the best co-op modes? Which ones will have the best matchmaking/server browsing/netcode and best gameplay/map variety out of the gate?
As it is, there is nothing to choose between MW3 and BF3 - I'm going to get both because both games play so very different (or at lest they should DICE!). Same deal with Batman and Assassins Creed - the similarities between both games are only skin deep and yeah, I'll end up getting both.
But if I had a gun to my head and had to choose one out of each duel, my choice is going to be about something that none of the hosts have really brought up. Which one is going to nickle and dime me less? Which ones offer the most lasting value and replay? Of the shooters which ones have the best co-op modes? Which ones will have the best matchmaking/server browsing/netcode and best gameplay/map variety out of the gate?
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