This image pleases me greatly as someone who is chomping at the bit to get their hands on the livery editor.
Hoping for parity with Forza at the very least.
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GT Sport E3 Build - Massive Upgrade
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Hoping for parity with Forza at the very least.
SolidSnakex
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Take this with a grain of salt as people on GTplanet are still trying to figure out if it's accurate (although it's pointing toward being accurate at the moment)
And they're also currently making arrangements for the Shanghai International Circuit.
And they're also currently making arrangements for the Shanghai International Circuit.
Nightengale
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Why not?
I would imagine that this gen, we would only have 2 GT SKUs, that being:
- GTS
- GT7
If both are supported throughout the entirety of PS4 life cycle, and everything made for 7 is also put in S, then it's possible.
It depends on how seriously they're going to embrace games as service model vs individual product model.
SolidSnakex
Member
There are a few ways that I can see it happening
1.) Outsourcing. As far as we know they still don't outsource their development. But that would obviously dramatically increase the amount of cars that they're able to create.
2.) They aren't going to start from scratch with every car. This would be an obvious way to add a lot of cars. There's no reason why they should throw away all of that old car data. Just remodel some aspects of them and add high quality textures and they'd be good to go.
1.) Outsourcing. As far as we know they still don't outsource their development. But that would obviously dramatically increase the amount of cars that they're able to create.
2.) They aren't going to start from scratch with every car. This would be an obvious way to add a lot of cars. There's no reason why they should throw away all of that old car data. Just remodel some aspects of them and add high quality textures and they'd be good to go.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
No, especially when the photomode cars on the PS3 have stupid levels of detail already.
Prepare to be disappointed. I'm betting it'll be comprehensive enough to be personal but not significant enough to be artistic. Nor should it be.
Get Dreams...although, it would be a bonus to create art on Dreams and slap on a snapshot 2D image on to your car. That would never work though.
Right now this is sounding more like a service model. To add that many cars over a life-span is insane...i.e no point in creating another full Gran Turismo game. In that sense more features could be added as updates. It's a model that could see the addition of proper environmental dynamics, cars, tracks, modes, etc...
I don't mind that at all.
funkystudent
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SolidSnakex
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I do remember hearing something like that. It sorta makes sense for a racing game to just have one game and then continue to build on top of that. Any engine improvements can just be plugged in along the way.
Yup
http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gtsport/livery_editor/
cyber_ninja
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The lack of single player content is very disappointing to me. At this point it looks like GTS will be the first Gran Turismo game I skip.
PuppetMaster
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Its looking great. I can't wait!
Audioboxer
Member
Same
I've always just enjoyed driving games on my own. I find MP racing a bit stressful. At least when it is full sim.
I'm also pretty rubbish so I enjoy playing at my own pace.
If I'm honest I miss the days of the GT garages, buying second hand dodgy cars, doing them up and grinding up to greatness.
Sad that has all but gone from GT. At this point as a new XB1 gamer I feel I'm looking forward to Forza more
(sad just because GT used to have a big place in my heart)Its why I'm also pissed at Sony for axing Driveclub because it was the Forza Horizon to Forza IMO. DC2 or even a new Motorstorm could have really been more arcadey focussed. Instead the Sony priority for the mad Kaz continues. As much as a perfectionist he is PD have been a shell of their PS1/2 days for a while. They need to get more efficient and possibly outsource a bit more if they won't grow the studio.
GT deserves mad respect as does Kaz and PD, but the team on the whole hasn't done a great job at evolving their development practices. They are still a game maker even if they want to treat GT like some sort of "real life encyclopaedia/driving simulator".
cyber_ninja
Member
Same
I've always just enjoyed driving games on my own. I find MP racing a bit stressful. At least when it is full sim.
I'm also pretty rubbish so I enjoy playing at my own pace.
If I'm honest I miss the days of the GT garages, buying second hand dodgy cars, doing them up and grinding up to greatness.
Sad that has all but gone from GT. At this point as a new XB1 gamer I feel I'm looking forward to Forza more
Its why I'm also pissed at Sony for axing Driveclub because it was the Forza Horizon to Forza IMO. DC2 or even a new Motorstorm could have really been more arcadey focussed.
This is how I feel as well. Still can't get over the Evolution closure and the fact that I'm no longer the target audience for Gran Turismo. I ended up buying an Xbone few days ago to get my racing fix.
From what I learned, it is matter of modelling with LOD enabled. They already have procedural damage sub-engine since GT5 on foundation, now they are working to remodel all databases with LOD on the same level.
Audioboxer
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Hey if anything at least we can enjoy both worlds now! I know racing fans have insane affinities to their preferred game franchise but at the end of the day what beats being neutral enough to play them all?
Right now I'm more excited for FH3 than F6. I disgress going off topic in a GT thread but I hope onlookers see from above I'm harmless in the big GT vs Forza debate and wish no ill on any fans. I'm just a bit sad as you said GT feels like its not going to have much for the people like me (when it once did).
Unfortunately esports and going all in on MP does little for me. I can respect how it might be good for the GT brand overall, but hopefully folks can understand why its sad for me.
I also know a more typical GT7 may yet come, but the answer is when like everything else GT related. Sony's Japanese studios are like turtles at times, even if the end product can be amazing.
Why didn't you end up buying a PC instead to get your racing fix?
cyber_ninja
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Because you can't buy a capable PC for $150.
[Agent]ZeroNine
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I don't think a number of people in this thread understand that GT Sport is focused on community and competition. This game is (for the most part) built around the multiplayer Gran Turismo fans with a few bones for the single player fans.
Basically, just wait till GT7. That'll be the game focused on your desires.
Fuck
Basically, just wait till GT7. That'll be the game focused on your desires.
Fuck
I think I peed a little...
Audioboxer
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I think both messages have been conveyed now.
Either translator-san isn't doing his job correctly or he needs to knock some sense into Kaz and tell him a clear and concise message is needed.
Personally I don't even think PD know what they're doing at times. Often I think big boss Kaz drops by and says PD get your shit together something needs to release soon and then PD scramble to do something.
I mean GT Sport seems like GT Prologue on steroids which is quite ridiculous given when GT6 came out and the time they've had to mostly port GT6 to the PS4 and give it a facelift. Even GT6 coming for PS3 was a mistake but maybe in part that was to accommodate DC which Sony then canned anyway lol.
boneyjangles
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I was actually pleased they are moving away from versioning and focusing on online.
Numbering becomes ridiculous as time goes on, and we are moving to more of a software-as-a-service model, rather than isolated releases in general with a lot of games/genres. This kinda happens anyway, GT6 is basically super patched GT5. Now with Neo (and all future PlayStation consoles probably being spec bumped x86's) there can be less arbitrary cut offs and restarts, architecture isn't changing again probably for a long time.
I don't know exactly what all this means from GT, but I'm assuming this game is just going to continuously get fleshed out for years when it becomes Kaz's 'ultimate vision.' Packed with cars and Tracks and online events.
As for single player career, who will miss that? It's a couple of races thrown together and given a name that you can repeatedly try. I never felt invested or interested or on edge. Some kind of actual career thing could be added later. That said, I think this will be forgotten in the haze of an actual good online mode where etiquette counts combined with a good ladder/league system. If you suck, you can drive against other people who suck (like me!)
Numbering becomes ridiculous as time goes on, and we are moving to more of a software-as-a-service model, rather than isolated releases in general with a lot of games/genres. This kinda happens anyway, GT6 is basically super patched GT5. Now with Neo (and all future PlayStation consoles probably being spec bumped x86's) there can be less arbitrary cut offs and restarts, architecture isn't changing again probably for a long time.
I don't know exactly what all this means from GT, but I'm assuming this game is just going to continuously get fleshed out for years when it becomes Kaz's 'ultimate vision.' Packed with cars and Tracks and online events.
As for single player career, who will miss that? It's a couple of races thrown together and given a name that you can repeatedly try. I never felt invested or interested or on edge. Some kind of actual career thing could be added later. That said, I think this will be forgotten in the haze of an actual good online mode where etiquette counts combined with a good ladder/league system. If you suck, you can drive against other people who suck (like me!)
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
What is it with people trying to discount single player for their own selfish reasons? People want to play single player. Deal with it. I don't care about your or anyone elses reasons why you "don't get it" - that's your fucking problem.
People have been used to a robust single player for 8 or so GT games at this point. You don't have the mandate to pat them on the shoulder and tell them the game they enjoyed isn't the right way to play. It makes you come across as a condescending prick at best and corporate ballwasher at worse. Stop.
Audioboxer
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Without going in as hard as yourself... I agree. lol.
I already said above one of my favourite things was starting out with no money and having to go buy a banger and grind my way up by winning races and earning my licenses. Sure, not an RPG story masterpiece... but it was fun and I felt a sense of progression.
That feeling has been starting to be lost for me in the HD GTs but I still enjoyed doing races, earning my licenses and buying better cars. The B Spec stuff seemed like it was laying some foundations for a decent management side to GT. I guess its totally axed from Sport?
I mean Sport is just completely alienating a player like me the way it seems to be going. Risky move for PD. They've built a franchise that sold MILLIONS per version primarily because of it having a robust SP mode. With a fair few racing games these days its not as if people have to rely on GT even if its still the biggest household name.
[Agent]ZeroNine
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Damage has been confirmed to be in via Inside Racing and GTPlanet, we just haven't been shown it yet.
eSports, also, a name doesn't change what a game is so don't put too much thought into.
DirtyLarry
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Full disclosure, I have not been keeping up with the news on this game and I am also lazy, so can someone give me the Cliff Notes version about the lack of SP content?
I only play SP in GT, literally have never gone online in any of the games, so if the news is truly bad, I too may be skipping it which sucks as I just watched the videos on Page 1 and get pretty pumped.
The Sp content is basically just some license tests, some time trials, some challenges that have you tackle sections of courses, and racing etiquette. All with the intention of getting you ready for online basically.
There is an arcade mode that we assume is like the other GT arcade modes. But the SP career mode seems non-existent. No tournaments/cups etc.
This. So tired of seeing crap like that from posters. Copy and paste that into a Street Fighter V launch thread and it'll fit right in with all the other apologist/elitist/condescending posts. Heck, I'd say this is even worse than what Street Fighter V did, since I'd wager that a much larger people played GT for its robust SP modes than the people who played SF for its SP offerings.
But, PD's mixed messaging about whether a true 7 will ever come or not, naming this Sport, being a PSVR title, and being extremely clear way ahead of time about what kind of content is included in this game is gonna prevent them from getting the big backlash that SF got.
Sqrt_minus_one
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Do we know if cars are upgradeable - weight reduction, ecu, turbo etc?
TylerDurden4321
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Nothing confirmed, but seemingly no upgrades, just tuning that is within the homologation rules of the racing class you are in (meaning stuff like camber, toe, dampers, ride height, fuel, final gear etc.).
SolidSnakex
Member
Couldn't they still just rework the existing models to improve them? Because 4-500 is a massive number. So I don't see how they could get to that number unless they're outsourcing or have hit some dev milestone where they're able to build cars at a significantly faster rate than before.
On a completely different note, next-gen guardrails
In all seriousness, that does look really good for something that really doesn't need a lot of detail since it's not something most people will even pay attention to.
Lion Heart
Banned
This game is looking fantastic. My god I can't wait.
This got trashed months back by all the concern but I don't see any of those people giving the game praise now that it stepped it up.
This got trashed months back by all the concern but I don't see any of those people giving the game praise now that it stepped it up.
Ugh... that and buying used cars is the best part
Mr. Crow
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It's not that simple to wait till GT7. GT6 was released 3 years ago and history tells us that "Real GT7" (or GT8 or ...) won't be available until 2018/2019. So GT fans who love career should wait 5,6 years for a new standard GT after GT6. It's not easy...[Agent]ZeroNine;212052633 said:
I still don't know why they can't make a real career for this game. Okay, it's an online game, but making a career for the game is really that hard?! Is it difficult to make +100 races with some money and prizes? Cars are ready, tracks are ready and it only needs some events and designs for them.
JetSetRadio
Banned
I hope they lock certain online races behind a tough license system.
megashock5
Member
Same
I've always just enjoyed driving games on my own. I find MP racing a bit stressful. At least when it is full sim.
I'm also pretty rubbish so I enjoy playing at my own pace.
If I'm honest I miss the days of the GT garages, buying second hand dodgy cars, doing them up and grinding up to greatness.
This is me. Waited so long for this game, but might not be worth buying for someone in this situation. Bums me out.
OfTheOverflow
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Seriously disappointed with the dissolution of Evolution. The reason I bought a PS3 in the first place was because MotorStorm Pacific Roft and Wipeout HD looked fucking sick. Now two of my favorite franchises and studios have been thrown away by Sony. Forza Horizon 3 looks to be what I want.
Wax Free Vanilla
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They've roped in students from the universities near their studios to model cars. It's on the website.
Hundreds of cars are coming with all the money to be made.
GT Sport is going to be an online micro-transaction fest. GT is done.
What? what has this got to do with evolution, motorstorm or wipeout?
Couldn't they still just rework the existing models to improve them? Because 4-500 is a massive number. So I don't see how they could get to that number unless they're outsourcing or have hit some dev milestone where they're able to build cars at a significantly faster rate than before.
On a completely different note, next-gen guardrails
In all seriousness, that does look really good for something that really doesn't need a lot of detail since it's not something most people will even pay attention to.
Wowsers!
Nice to see you in a GT thread 8)
I think you've entered a time warp.
SolidSnakex
Member
Sigh. A few things here. Percentage means jackshit to the public because no one knows exactly how the developer is judging completion. Secondly, the article leaves out another percentage that Kaz mentioned in the same interview. That percentage would be 50%. That's what he said the game was at when it was initially unveiled during the London event. The 70% figure was where it was at during E3. Which means it went from 50% to 70% in less than a month. Which goes back to my original point of just how meaningless percentages are to the public.
Omnistalgic
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Hmmmm I dunno guys, I've never played GT MP like ever and I'm pretty excited for sport. The beginning sounds just like any beginning GT game IMO, earn a bunch of liscenses m, learn how to actually drive, buy some cars, tune up and then race for real.
Just that last part is being adjusted as the "real" racers are against other people and not CPU. Ether way, I'm sure event packs along with new cars and tracks will be added, I think GTS is going to be heavily supported by what Kaz states.
Meh...I'm SP only and I'm in day one, it's GT baby!!!
Just throwing the other side of the argument out there.
Just that last part is being adjusted as the "real" racers are against other people and not CPU. Ether way, I'm sure event packs along with new cars and tracks will be added, I think GTS is going to be heavily supported by what Kaz states.
Meh...I'm SP only and I'm in day one, it's GT baby!!!
Just throwing the other side of the argument out there.
dead monkey uk
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Yeah for all we know he is classing 20% as polish and 10% is stuff they end up releasing in a title update or DLC. The last 30% could also be the PSVR implantation, I would not be surprised if that feature got delayed.
) of Kaz's statements seem to be hurting the image of GTS and the entire franchise. It's like no one from Sony has the courage to tell him to shut the hell up and get back to work(ing harder).