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GTA 5: Rapper Wants Game Recalled Over Track Inclusion
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Jest Chillin
Member
He refused the payment and told Rockstar not to put the song in the game.
also i find it hilarious that he only has an issue for these 2 songs, but not Ambitionz Az a Ridah, which he also produced.
but everyone knows the only artist from the Death Row era who has control over those songs is Dre, not even Snoop gets any royalties from Doggystyle or any of his appearances on other tracks including The Chronic, so this just makes his case all the more ridiculous to complain about.
go complain to Suge and the people who eventually wound up purchasing the rights from him during the bankrupcy
but everyone knows the only artist from the Death Row era who has control over those songs is Dre, not even Snoop gets any royalties from Doggystyle or any of his appearances on other tracks including The Chronic, so this just makes his case all the more ridiculous to complain about.
go complain to Suge and the people who eventually wound up purchasing the rights from him during the bankrupcy
Bobby Roberts
Banned
He SUED Suge and WON, dude.
This is all stuff that's been covered in the thread you're not reading.
HamsterPackage
Member
How about you read the thread and then maybe try again?
edit-Maybe deathrow went belly up because Daz sued the shit out of him?(that and all the good artists either died or left)
Congrats on not reading the thread and basically announcing over a bullhorn that you are about as dense as they come...
Not only that, but they got lots of people to record brand new songs for the game. Tyler, the Creator, Flying Lotus, Twin Shadow, A$AP Rocky, etc. so clearly people don't mind working with R*.
Must have just been a really big fuck up by whoever handles licensing at R* if Daz has a case.
HamsterPackage
Member
And yet again WTF does that have to do with someone stealing his music?
For the record, they were doing about $5k a song for... I think it was Vice City at the time. For two songs, that's $10k. I'm sure some licences were a bit higher as not all songs are replaceable.
This means that they're offering even less compared to other artists in their previous games.... Despite having much higher budgets..... Funny how it works in reverse.
Since one of his songs is a cover, they don't need his permission and can grab a compulsory license, but they have to pay a 9.1c royalty on every game sold if they didn't get him to agree to a buyout (i.e. if you don't agree to a buyout, you're WAY too expensive and you're not getting the game - seeya!) A compulsory license would grant a songwriter about $100k for their song getting featured in GTA V. That's a huge sum of money and the main reason why they never happen.
You also can't obtain a compulsory license and set a buyout fee independently, i.e. without the songwriter's consent. It must be negotiated. If he refused the offer and owns the song, they can't legally use it because they haven't properly paid for its usage.
Yep.. hes thick as cement..
How do masters work people?
After reading this thread its true what Pachtor said, "only about 2 people on GAF get how the industry works"
Id say it goes for real life.
spot on. its apparent that a lot of people in this thread have no clue as to who Daz is. calling him a "nobody" when in reality he played a major roll in the shaping up of west coast rap in the 90s. i love Daz and GTA. but if permission was not given, then thats the end of the story. Daz "wanting "exposure" for Cavi hit and Cwalk? LOL GTFOH
The people shitting on him know nothing about rap and just think hes some low level shit bird artist...
Its hilarious that people in this thread think that Daz needs exposure.. fucking hilarious.
This thread has shown me once more what people always say about GAF
cormack12
Gold Member
Seems odd that a request to include it in the game has gone ignored. We don't know if it's a low ball offer unless R* publish the prices of all other songs in there. Quick solution #RemoveDillinger
I'd do it just out of principal if I was R* - what does the game actually lose, nothing of importance.
I'd do it just out of principal if I was R* - what does the game actually lose, nothing of importance.
People who don't work in the industry or don't have much respect for _____ genre of music get really uppity about which artist is entitled to what.
Well I mean.. If you're making more than $10k a year, you're doing better than 95% of artists out there, so you might want to be awfully careful about calling that kettle black.
Secondly, that didn't give you the right to tell somebody ELSE what THEY should earn. Get outta here with all that. All engineers should earn ten bucks an hour! Because I said so. And then it devolves into a petty, gruesome pissing match over who went to school the longest and who's contributed the most to society and all those other flimsy metrics.
Some people are in here acting like he's asking for a million fucking dollars or something. These kinds of threads are the source of immense entertainment.
Well I mean.. If you're making more than $10k a year, you're doing better than 95% of artists out there, so you might want to be awfully careful about calling that kettle black.
Secondly, that didn't give you the right to tell somebody ELSE what THEY should earn. Get outta here with all that. All engineers should earn ten bucks an hour! Because I said so. And then it devolves into a petty, gruesome pissing match over who went to school the longest and who's contributed the most to society and all those other flimsy metrics.
Some people are in here acting like he's asking for a million fucking dollars or something. These kinds of threads are the source of immense entertainment.
IrishNinja
Member
oh no, a gaming boycott against a producer's classic efforts, this will end horribly
oh, the "relevancy" argument wheeled out again, awesome...that totally makes doing this okay ethically then
*phew*
polyh3dron
Banned
Just because he's credited as a writer and his publishing company is in there does not necessarily mean he owns his part of the publishing for Cavi Hit. I know a bit about this since I am a member of ASCAP and collect checks for publishing royalties myself.
You'd think so. But the history of litigation would suggest otherwise.
Type of Work: Sound Recording
Registration Number / Date: SR0000338546 / 2003-09-09
Title: Kuruption / Kurupt.
Edition: Bi-coastal ed.
Imprint: c1998.
Publisher Number: ANTRA/A&M Records 3454 0963-2
Description: Compact disc.
Notes: Photo: Michael Lavine.
Copyright Claimant: © ℗ on recording, pictorial matter, liner notes; ANTRA Records, LLC (employer for hire)
Date of Creation: 1998
Date of Publication: 1998-09-01
Contents: Disc 1: West coast -- This ones for U -- Make some noise -- Put that on something -- Play my cards -- We can freak it -- Fresh -- C-walk -- Hos a housewife -- Cant let that slide -- Thats gangsta -- Disc 2: East coast -- Its a set up -- Light shit up -- Game -- Gimmewhutchagot -- If you see me -- The life -- No feelings -- Its time -- I wanna ... -- Who do U be?.
Other Title: The life
Names: Lavine, Michael
Kurupt
ANTRA Records, LLC
Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PA0000863573 / 1997-08-08
Title: Nothin but the Cavi hit.
Appears in: Rhyme & reason. Priority Records P2 50635, c1997. Compact disc
Publisher Number: Priority Records P2 50635
Performer: Performed by Mack 10 & tha Dogg Pound.
Copyright Claimant: Ready an Ruff Muzik, Suge Publishing, WB Music Corporation & High Priest
Date of Creation: 1997
Date of Publication: 1997-01-02
Authorship on Application: words: Delmar Arnaud p.k.a. Daz & Dedrick Rolison p.k.a. Mack 10; music: Ricardo Brown p.k.a. Kurupt; words & music: Priest Brooks.
Names: Arnaud, Delmar
Rolison, Dedrick
Brown, Ricardo
Brooks, Priest
Mack 10 & tha Dogg Pound.
Ready an Ruff Muzik
Suge Publishing
WB Music Corporation
High Priest
Daz
Mack 10
Kurupt
Registration Number / Date: SR0000338546 / 2003-09-09
Title: Kuruption / Kurupt.
Edition: Bi-coastal ed.
Imprint: c1998.
Publisher Number: ANTRA/A&M Records 3454 0963-2
Description: Compact disc.
Notes: Photo: Michael Lavine.
Copyright Claimant: © ℗ on recording, pictorial matter, liner notes; ANTRA Records, LLC (employer for hire)
Date of Creation: 1998
Date of Publication: 1998-09-01
Contents: Disc 1: West coast -- This ones for U -- Make some noise -- Put that on something -- Play my cards -- We can freak it -- Fresh -- C-walk -- Hos a housewife -- Cant let that slide -- Thats gangsta -- Disc 2: East coast -- Its a set up -- Light shit up -- Game -- Gimmewhutchagot -- If you see me -- The life -- No feelings -- Its time -- I wanna ... -- Who do U be?.
Other Title: The life
Names: Lavine, Michael
Kurupt
ANTRA Records, LLC
Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PA0000863573 / 1997-08-08
Title: Nothin but the Cavi hit.
Appears in: Rhyme & reason. Priority Records P2 50635, c1997. Compact disc
Publisher Number: Priority Records P2 50635
Performer: Performed by Mack 10 & tha Dogg Pound.
Copyright Claimant: Ready an Ruff Muzik, Suge Publishing, WB Music Corporation & High Priest
Date of Creation: 1997
Date of Publication: 1997-01-02
Authorship on Application: words: Delmar Arnaud p.k.a. Daz & Dedrick Rolison p.k.a. Mack 10; music: Ricardo Brown p.k.a. Kurupt; words & music: Priest Brooks.
Names: Arnaud, Delmar
Rolison, Dedrick
Brown, Ricardo
Brooks, Priest
Mack 10 & tha Dogg Pound.
Ready an Ruff Muzik
Suge Publishing
WB Music Corporation
High Priest
Daz
Mack 10
Kurupt
Hip Hop
Member
I try to avoid topics about Hip-Hop outside of Hip-Hop websites. TMZ and gaming websites are in my list to avoid when such things topics arise as the hate is unbearable, anything Hip-Hop related is ridiculed immediately. No other genre is viewed with pure hate as much as Hip-Hop, but it's also hilarious sometimes to see people that have no clue about the history and rich music of Hip-Hop do their postings. I would say at times the hate may also have a hint of racism backing it.
the word (c)rap is just cringe worthy.
the word (c)rap is just cringe worthy.
NuclearSpy
Member
I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to be paid to have their music in a game like GTA. If anything, it introduces new sales since your music is being advertised.
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What a fresh and relevant post.
Wow, another click the last page and give my 2 cents which means nothing..
Tevious
Member
Rap/Hip hop is very different than other music so for a lot of people it just doesn't have any appeal. I think the hate has more to do with how obnoxious people can be blasting it so loud in public and how its the go to music for all these unoriginal gangsta wannabes trying too hard to be cool (not saying everyone is). People don't want it shoved in their faces all the time.
And you continue to ignore any post that is contrary to your argument of victimisation. What's the difference? There was a very detailed post earlier explaining why Daz wouldn't have the rights to these songs.
Why do we have copyright still anyway, when big ass companies could just take our stuff and reach a way bigger audience with it?
I'm not well versed in the hip-hop scene anymore, but having read most of the thread this seems to be just another instance of the details being lost in paperwork and the overly convoluted public relationships between the rappers and labels of that era. It'll be interesting to see where things are once the smoke clears - until then all we can do is wait.
One thing's for certain; in the industry, any publicity is good publicity.
One thing's for certain; in the industry, any publicity is good publicity.
Kocolino67
Member
Wild guess. He actually thinks he owns his own songs, and that he is the one to ask for approval? Not sure if the music business works like that.
stargateheaven
Member
it depends on contracts inside the record label. I make songs myself and there are few things you can do. I'll put it in simple terms.
1. You own the songs rights, you must be paid for whoever uses it.
2. You own the song, but you can be paid a one time fee for them to use it.
3. you sell the song, and no longer own the rights. they can do what they want with it.
IrishNinja
Member
i like the previous page, where people actually tried looking up if daz had rights to the masters or not, rather than assuming he's stupid/never been involved in litigation prior
you've just described the scenes for like every popular music ever, "posers" and all. the rap cars meme was the only variant.
not when you're a big producer and people use your shit without properly compensating you, no. that's actually not good at all.
you've just described the scenes for like every popular music ever, "posers" and all. the rap cars meme was the only variant.
not when you're a big producer and people use your shit without properly compensating you, no. that's actually not good at all.
travisbickle
Member
If he owns the song rights and Rockstar used it anyway, Rockstar are dicks.
I'll argue about the fine line between copyrights and public domain, Disney are arseholes, but a dude who made the music and owns the music can choose when that music is used or not.
I'll argue about the fine line between copyrights and public domain, Disney are arseholes, but a dude who made the music and owns the music can choose when that music is used or not.
Getting your music out there with the biggest entertainment launch of all time could serve as good promo, though.
The Albatross
Member
*edit* Didn't read the article on mobile.
Wait, Rockstar requested the song to be used in the game and the owner of the song rejected the offer, and Rockstar used it anyway? .. uhhh .. YEah, you can't use something without paying for it. When I originally read the thread I thought it was that he agreed to have the song used for ~$4500 or whatever, but then wanted more once he saw that it was GTAV and that it sold 20mil copies in a week.
Wait, Rockstar requested the song to be used in the game and the owner of the song rejected the offer, and Rockstar used it anyway? .. uhhh .. YEah, you can't use something without paying for it. When I originally read the thread I thought it was that he agreed to have the song used for ~$4500 or whatever, but then wanted more once he saw that it was GTAV and that it sold 20mil copies in a week.
spindashing
Banned
Haha, what?
The same exact things can be said about pop music. Why is hip-hop "very" different than other music?
The problem isn't the promotion, though.
I think you've mis-understood the point I was trying to make. I'll admit to being one of the group that hadn't heard of this guy before today, but still - Mr Dillinger's name is across the headlines, linked to the biggest media title in current history and playing the classic 'underdog vs the man' tune while doing so. Regardless of being a known name in the scene, the rap industry is no stranger to fuelling itself on 'negative' press and you can guarantee that Mr Dillinger will take full advantage of this situation.
For the record, I fully agree that artists should be compensated for their work; rights holders though, that's a different kettle of fish. In any case, if it comes to light that R* have used the tracks without suitable permission then they should face the flames for it; coming off've the back of the most recent copyright debacles (TLoU springs to mind) though, this'll probably be largely forgotten / forgiven in a few months.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Or they can just patch out the song.
travisbickle
Member
A person who has been producing music for over 20 years isn't an "underdog". And asking for them to remove a song they did not pay rights for is normal practice.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
Bullshit. Songs from no names carry little value.
Even if he was completely unknown, it doesn't mean Rockstar is allowed to steal his work and make money off it.
Everytime another GTA title comes out, another artist thinks he wasn't paid/betrayed. Let's see if this is actually true this time. I can't imagine Rockstar being so careless, but they can still patch the game and that would be it. They did this with Vice City because licenses weren't renewed, iirc. Everything's possible.
MAX PAYMENT
Member
I didn't say anything about stealing it. A no name being offered money to be in GTA should take it.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You kidding right?