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Guitar Hero vs Rock Band - Single Player concern

just to point out, us multiplayer folks already knew this about Rock Band/GH. Anyone who has ever played coop mode bass in GH2 knows that the GH series has always focused on lead guitars. The only bass that's even challenging on hard in GH2 is YYZ. And this isn't me saying this (though I agree). This is my brother who doesn't stand a chance at hard on guiar, and he breezed through almost every bass track without a thought. He's also a real life guitarist and bassist and said the sad thing is, the hard bass tracks in GH2 are pretty representative of the actual bass parts for those songs.

long story short, we've known GH1 and 2 catered to axe shredding songs.. we've also known that when it comes to other parts, like bass, the songs are usually lacking. This is one of the biggest reasons I'm looking forward to Rock Band. However I still will have tons of fun with GH3, because for the most part it looks like that still will be the game to "tie the guitarists fingers into pretzels".
 
yep. i've always been supporting both titles since the tracklistings for both started to become clear. gh3 for great guitar single player, Rock Band for variety and ace multiplayer.

yeah it's an expensive boat to sail i know and not everyone can afford the $300 or whatever, but they both look to complement each other playing to different aspects of the genre.
 
borghe said:
just to point out, us multiplayer folks already knew this about Rock Band/GH. Anyone who has ever played coop mode bass in GH2 knows that the GH series has always focused on lead guitars.
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Rock the 80's Edition even more so... Don't think there was a single rhythm guitar part in the entire game, and none of the bass lines were remotely challenging and too many of them were boring.

Not to say that co-op bass doesn't have it's place, in playing for high score a good bass player is essential to keep the multiplier high and to help recover when the lead slips up. Overall though the people I play GH2/80's with eventually stopped playing it and settled on classic and pro face off mode. More fun for each player.

Co-op mode has not reached it's true potential, hopefully it will with Rock Bank (and hopefully GH3 does it better as well).
 
The Bookerman said:
Will someone please answer me on this: Will Rockband's guitar work on GH III???
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no one knows (though probably not).

and I feel for anyone who thinks it's easy and they haven't even played it.
MTV Games revs up the synergy machine for Harmonix's rhythm game with nationwide bus-based promotion, band battles, and TRL appearance.
By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot
Posted Sep 6, 2007 5:45 am PT

When MTV bought Harmonix for $175 million last year, it was clear it would heavily promote the studio's first project with every arm of its media empire. When that project turned out to be Rock Band, a multi-instrument, karaoke-enhanced rhythm game, that became even more obvious. Then, when Viacom announced it planned to invest a half-billion dollars in its MTV Games unit, it appeared no expense would be spared on fine-tuning Rock Band's hype machine.

This week, in conjunction with the Summer Showcase of Rock Band's distributor, Electronic Arts, MTV Games announced the latest promotional offensive for the title. Like many actual rock bands before it, the game will embark on a cross-country bus tour. The orgy of synergy will begin at the MTV Video Music Awards in Las Vegas September 9, when several buses equipped with Rock Band demo stations will fan out across the country. Stops will include several college campuses.

MTV will also use the Rock Band bus tour to indulge in another rock-and-roll tradition, the battle of the bands. Every "band" that plays the game on the main stage will have its performance recorded, with the resulting video being sent back to the casting directors responsible for MTV's battery of reality shows. Of those, two groups will be flown to MTV's New York City headquarters to practice with an actual famous rock band before appearing on the network's popular TRL program. The winner of the two will then "open" for an unnamed top musical act by playing the game on stage during the Rock Band launch event/concert. Those who attend bus tour dates following Rock Band's still-unspecified "holiday" launch will obviously not be eligible.

Details about Rock Band bus tour venues can be found on the game's official Web site. A full list of dates is below.

Las Vegas, NV
September 9-16, 2007

Milwaukee, WI
September 13-16, 2007

Sacramento, CA
September 20-23, 2007

Columbus, OH
September 20-23, 2007

Seattle, WA
September 27-30, 2007

Chicago, IL
September 27-30, 2007

Portland, OR
October 4-7, 2007

Pittsburgh, PA
October 4-7, 2007

Oakland, CA
October 11-14, 2007

Cleveland, OH
October 11-14, 2007

San Francisco, CA
October 17-21, 2007

Philadelphia, PA
October 18-21, 2007

San Diego, CA
October 25-28, 2007

Baltimore, MD
October 25-28, 2007

Los Angeles, CA
October 31-November 18, 2007

New York, NY
November 1-4, 2007

Boston, MA
November 8-11, 2007

New Jersey
November 15-18, 2007

Phoenix, AZ
November 27-30, 2007

Atlanta, GA
November 27-December 2, 2007

Austin, TX
December 6-9, 2007

New Orleans, LA
December 6-9, 2007

Dallas, TX
December 13-16, 2007

Orlando, FL
December 13-16, 2007
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hopefully you live near one of these places and can figure it out for yourself. (shouldn't we already have impressions coming in since it's past the Vegas/Milwaukee shows?)
 
I just heard "Brain Power", the song by Freezepop in the game. Anybody should be able to ***** that shit on vocals. It's not as immediately gripping as the last two songs on GH though.
 
CajoleJuice said:
Who's gonna want to sing over Live anyway? Pfftt
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My three friends and I who had been planning on playing this game online for months. One of them already has the VFW rented out Nov 24 with a 150 person guest list to have a joint birthday/Rock Band party.

I really see absolutely no reason to play online if you can't hear the singer. Why would I bother worrying about when my friends are online and dealing with possible lag if I get the same exact experience going through solo?

Edit: I will agree that listening to random, "auto-joined" asshats sing would be horrible. If I'm playing with my friends though, I want to hear shit.
 
I wonder if you can bootleg the voice support since the vocalist is still supposed to have a controller plugged in (which can have a headset). You still have to use the microphone for the actual gameplay, but you can still wear the headset while singing, so your voice still transmits (using the normal xbox live voice communication).

Unless they specifically do disable the headset that's plugged into the controller...
 
soul creator said:
I wonder if you can bootleg the voice support since the vocalist is still supposed to have a controller plugged in (which can have a headset). You still have to use the microphone for the actual gameplay, but you can still wear the headset while singing, so your voice still transmits (using the normal xbox live voice communication).

Unless they specifically do disable the headset that's plugged into the controller...
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Yeah, but then it'd be lagged to shit.

I can't count how many times in Gears my teammates will say "look out behind you" and I'm already dead by the time it comes through the headset.
 
soul creator said:
I wonder if you can bootleg the voice support since the vocalist is still supposed to have a controller plugged in (which can have a headset). You still have to use the microphone for the actual gameplay, but you can still wear the headset while singing, so your voice still transmits (using the normal xbox live voice communication).

Unless they specifically do disable the headset that's plugged into the controller...
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I was just thinking that.
 
Baker said:
Yeah, but then it'd be lagged to shit.

I can't count how many times in Gears my teammates will say "look out behind you" and I'm already dead by the time it comes through the headset.
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Which is exactly why they disabled the feature in the first place. Obviously, they took it out for technical reasons.
 
eXxy said:
:lol :lol :lol

People assuming the drum parts are easy based on videos. OK, guys.
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I haven't seen a single complex fill that's been tabbed out. They have all been freestyle sections, which is a damn cop out when it comes to those of us that like playing on expert settings.
 
So what's the difference between the GH strum bar and the new one in the Rock Band controller? The RB one looks strange.
 
Apparently the RB one doesn't click. I still don't know whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. The clicking sound is kind of annoying, but when you're doing quick strumming, it helps you keep track of whether you just strummed 3 or 4 in a row.
 
jett said:
So what's the difference between the GH strum bar and the new one in the Rock Band controller? The RB one looks strange.
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GH's clicks, while RB's is smooth. I like the new controller, but it takes some getting used since the buttons are recessed now. When I played it, I lost track of my fingers a few times. However, I just love the new feel.
 
I have to agree with everyone happy with no voice from the vocalist online. It would mess me up regardless of what I was playing if the vocals were coming in 2 seconds after they sang. It would be awesome if there was no lag. Sadly, we all know Live can't do that right now.
 
birdman said:
I have to agree with everyone happy with no voice from the vocalist online. It would mess me up regardless of what I was playing if the vocals were coming in 2 seconds after they were sang. It would be awesome if there was no lag. Sadly, we all know Live can't do that right now.
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This is a really good point. I hadn't thought of that. It would throw me off if vocals were delayed by a second or more.
 
Okin said:
I haven't seen a single complex fill that's been tabbed out. They have all been freestyle sections, which is a damn cop out when it comes to those of us that like playing on expert settings.
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Have you played it? No? Cool, because Exxy has.

I wonder who I should trust. Me, oh my.
 
eXxy said:
:lol :lol :lol

People assuming the drum parts are easy based on videos. OK, guys.
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It looks pretty easy to me bud, I'm not the greatest drummer in the world, and I was hoping to get some more drum practice by using this game but the stuff I've seen so far is basic.
 
Vyse The Legend said:
Have you played it? No? Cool, because Exxy has.

I wonder who I should trust. Me, oh my.
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Who says I haven't played it, smarmyass?

Exxy, did you see any complex fills tabbed out? I want you to say yes. I haven't seen any.
 
The voice online thing is a shame, and it will probably result in 90 percent of online co-op's to be singler-less. What's the point of being the lead singer in a band if noone can hear you, not even the rest of your band?

Karaoke is more of a live thing and not an online thing anyway, so offline co-op will be where it's at for singers.
 
If you've never played drums, good luck on easy. It is absolutely, positively a completely different experience than working the guitar and you're gonna quickly realize how much rhythm you don't have -- and I've played Drummania and been rocking music games since the EARLY DDR days.
 
eXxy said:
If you've never played drums, good luck on easy. It is absolutely, positively a completely different experience than working the guitar and you're gonna quickly realize how much rhythm you don't have -- and I've played Drummania and been rocking music games since the EARLY DDR days.
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in the end the hardest part will be the timing depending on how strict they are, the rhythms aren't a problem for me, that was the issue I have with what I've seen so far.
 
borghe said:
just to point out, us multiplayer folks already knew this about Rock Band/GH. Anyone who has ever played coop mode bass in GH2 knows that the GH series has always focused on lead guitars. The only bass that's even challenging on hard in GH2 is YYZ. And this isn't me saying this (though I agree). This is my brother who doesn't stand a chance at hard on guiar, and he breezed through almost every bass track without a thought. He's also a real life guitarist and bassist and said the sad thing is, the hard bass tracks in GH2 are pretty representative of the actual bass parts for those songs.
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So what you're trying to say is they should get some Primus songs on Rockband?

(tries to imagine Lacquer Head's baseline in GH form)
 
Okin said:
I haven't seen a single complex fill that's been tabbed out. They have all been freestyle sections, which is a damn cop out when it comes to those of us that like playing on expert settings.
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how many videos presented so far explicitly said they were playing expert? one, maybe two? the thing about the drums vs. guitar/bass is that all of the "dots" are in use in easy, medium, hard, and expert so there's no way to tell what level the person is playing on using that method. Until we have game in hand/more impressions (someone go to the damn Rock Band tour!!) we just won't know.
 
There are some things that worry me...like in Highway Star, when the solo comes up, you actually play the rhythm part. WTFZ?
 
bune duggy said:
how many videos presented so far explicitly said they were playing expert? one, maybe two? the thing about the drums vs. guitar/bass is that all of the "dots" are in use in easy, medium, hard, and expert so there's no way to tell what level the person is playing on using that method. Until we have game in hand/more impressions (someone go to the damn Rock Band tour!!) we just won't know.
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I find it odd that GAF doesn't have anyone in Vegas or Milwaukee who saw this pull into town and took the opportunity to play it. Did the Rock Band tour not happen, or is GAF just that lame that we missed it entirely?
 
Eggo said:
I find it odd that GAF doesn't have anyone in Vegas or Milwaukee who saw this pull into town and took the opportunity to play it. Did the Rock Band tour not happen, or is GAF just that lame that we missed it entirely?
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exactly my point! I think the big problem is that there are no locations announced so unless you are psychic, how are you going to know where to go?

EDIT: prepare to have your ears gouged out by a rusty spoon; We have videos of people playing Rock Band for MTV. http://video.rockband.com/events/mtv_rockband/highlights/
 
Eggo said:
I find it odd that GAF doesn't have anyone in Vegas or Milwaukee who saw this pull into town and took the opportunity to play it. Did the Rock Band tour not happen, or is GAF just that lame that we missed it entirely?
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I have a secret for you. Gaffers don't actually PLAY video games before discrediting them.

I am going to try and find the van when it is here in Columbus, though.
 
I am still probably going to buy both.

GAF I'm sure has been well aware for some time, but my buddy at Neversoft just informed me that the RB guitar will not with with GH3, but theirs will be compatible with RB. The lameness of this information doesn't really bother me, but it will make me buy GH3 first.
 
is the Guitar Hero strum bar going to click again? that shit is annoying, especially when you aren't playing with the volume way up.
 
Jtrizzy said:
is the Guitar Hero strum bar going to click again? that shit is annoying, especially when you aren't playing with the volume way up.
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i actually like the click... but i remember the score hero guys said something about it. just can't remember what. they have a big impressions thread from their visit to neversoft in their forums. have a read and you should find the answer in there. i know they really liked the gh3 controller though, but they hadn't got their hands on the rock band one to compare at that point i don't think.
 
plagiarize said:
i actually like the click... but i remember the score hero guys said something about it. just can't remember what. they have a big impressions thread from their visit to neversoft in their forums. have a read and you should find the answer in there. i know they really liked the gh3 controller though, but they hadn't got their hands on the rock band one to compare at that point i don't think.
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how did the GH3 les paul stand up against the horrible Xplorer or the good SG guitars?
 
They need Hella's "Biblical Violence" in Rock Band as the hardest song in any music game ever. I want to spend ten years training for 'expert' on drums on that one.
 
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