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Guitar Hero World Tour IGN Blowout
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ThatObviousUser
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M3wThr33 said:
How? Without a dongle, the old guitars would not be able to interact with the new game if it were to go Bluetooth (as in, dongle-less.)
AceBandage
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Yet, Rock Band couldn't?
I'm gonna laugh when it fails to sell 100K.
Christoff Yurievich
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really? because I remember the rumors of a BT guitar for GH3 and if that was even a possibility I figured it could happen.M3wThr33 said:
plus, the guitars are basically controllers (the button marks on the side) so I don't see why it wouldn't work. still, I'm waiting for more info from Activision.
ThatObviousUser
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batbeg said:
I suppose they *could* add support for the dongles while forging ahead with Bluetooth, but they probably haven't even thought of that. :lol
Mr. Pointy
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Everlong means this is the only game I will buy the whole fucking... month it is out.
jamesinclair
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Now put up the PS2 article.
I want to see which features will make it in.
My guess:
No song creation, no character creation, no world tour mode (but yes different venues)
Aka: Rock Band PS2 + 40 songs.
I want to see which features will make it in.
My guess:
No song creation, no character creation, no world tour mode (but yes different venues)
Aka: Rock Band PS2 + 40 songs.
This is why EA/Harmonix should have made an effort with Wii. Rockband is effectively DOA as a brand on Wii. I expect Rock Band to have a small but nice debut on Wii and then die. The GH brand is now de facto on Wii. Rock Band doesn't really stand a chance, on the biggest userbase.
Drensch said:
Frankly, if I'm speaking honestly, Rock Band never really stood a chance. The Guitar Hero brand is beyond mainstream, it is practically like you've been living under a rock if you aren't familiar with it or haven't played it. I was just listening to the radio, and they were playing "Can't You Hear Me Knocking", and I was thinking to myself how different from the guitar hero version it was, then after it was over, they said "That was 'Can't You Hear Me Knocking'... you've probably played it on guitar hero 2...". Which was basically just exactly what I was thinking... now THAT is mainstream, when you listen to a rock station and everyone just assumes it's par for course that you are also a fan of the guitar hero games.
Only on GAF however, will you see people with Rock Band-colored glasses tightly strapped on - I have to say, I've never heard rock band mentioned in that kind of casual medium... it isn't the first time either, as one time, when they finished playing the pretender, the announcer was like - wow, now that would be great in Guitar Hero (this was before it was released as dlc - also, it was a different rock station). MAINSTREAM!
BigBlackGamer
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BboyDubC said:
Rock Band as a brand is just as healthy as GH. GH has been out longer and has never had a 180$ product to introduce to the mainstream. Rock Band was the first of it's kind in that case. Let's see how RB2 (or RB1) & GHWT sell comparatively.
There really is no measuring stick to compare right now. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing. I've been in conversations were guitar hero was brought up and everyone is like "yeah but there is that other game rock band with all the instruments".
I've seen BOTH games talked about in the casual medium. They both have had there moments of "OMG this is mainstream".
Synth_floyd
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Wow the drums look awesome! GH:WT has drum solos, drum world tour, the create a song thing and 6 pads instead of 5. I'm really hyped for this.
The only weird thing is that the two cymbal pads are not placed on the edges on the pad in the game.
According to the screen shot, the placement seems to be:
Drum 1 - Cymbal 1 - Drum 2 - Cymbal 2 - Drum 3
when it seems more natural to be:
Cymbal 1 - Drum 1 - Drum 2 - Drum 3 - Cymbal 2
I hope you have the option of changing this (just like how you can reverse the placement in "lefty mode")
What I want though it some screenshots of gameplay and more info about the soundtrack. The IGN article was nice but not too much new info in it.
Also you get some of that lame "no criticism in a preview" thing going on here. Like when they mentioned not being able to record vocals they said "The only downside is that you can't record a vocal track. Legal quashed that one and, when you think about what ugly doors vocal recordings could open, it makes sense." No it doesn't make sense. It's lame and is just protecting them from possible lawsuits. The tone of it though was kind of insulting though. "They took out a feature from the game but hey it's ok cause we don't want to piss them off in a preview." Oh well, that's videogame journalism.
Edit:
oops I thought the drum placement was
Drum 1 - Cymbal 1 - Drum 2 - Cymbal 2 - Drum 3
but from the screenshot of the music maker it is
Drum 1 - Cymbal 1 - Drum 2 - Drum 3 - Cymbal 2
Weird, I wonder why Cymbal 1 (yellow) isn't on the outside if Cymbal 2 (orange) is. Hopefully you can edit placement to whatever you want cause it's slightly different for all the instruments.
The only weird thing is that the two cymbal pads are not placed on the edges on the pad in the game.
According to the screen shot, the placement seems to be:
Drum 1 - Cymbal 1 - Drum 2 - Cymbal 2 - Drum 3
when it seems more natural to be:
Cymbal 1 - Drum 1 - Drum 2 - Drum 3 - Cymbal 2
I hope you have the option of changing this (just like how you can reverse the placement in "lefty mode")
What I want though it some screenshots of gameplay and more info about the soundtrack. The IGN article was nice but not too much new info in it.
Also you get some of that lame "no criticism in a preview" thing going on here. Like when they mentioned not being able to record vocals they said "The only downside is that you can't record a vocal track. Legal quashed that one and, when you think about what ugly doors vocal recordings could open, it makes sense." No it doesn't make sense. It's lame and is just protecting them from possible lawsuits. The tone of it though was kind of insulting though. "They took out a feature from the game but hey it's ok cause we don't want to piss them off in a preview." Oh well, that's videogame journalism.
Edit:
oops I thought the drum placement was
Drum 1 - Cymbal 1 - Drum 2 - Cymbal 2 - Drum 3
but from the screenshot of the music maker it is
Drum 1 - Cymbal 1 - Drum 2 - Drum 3 - Cymbal 2
Weird, I wonder why Cymbal 1 (yellow) isn't on the outside if Cymbal 2 (orange) is. Hopefully you can edit placement to whatever you want cause it's slightly different for all the instruments.
You really don't know what you're talking about. GH is one of the biggest franchises of gaming today. You cannot say the same about RB, which has done pretty nicely for the price, but it's several millions behind GH3. It cannot be as healthy because there's only a handfull of franchises as healthy as GH.BigBlackGamer said:
BigBlackGamer
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fresquito said:
Rock Band has 1 title on the market. GH has MANY. no shit RB is millions behind it and notice how I said it is healthy. It can survive in the same market as GH with no problem and still make money. Maybe you read that as RB is better then GH but I said no such things.
You keep going on and on when the comparisons are not fair. It's like comparing Gears Of War with Halo 3 when a better comparison is Gears 1 and Halo 1.
Lets see how a 180$ GH product does. Chances that it will outsell RB? HIGHLY likely but lets just wait and see.
JonathanEx
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It's highly possible that a $180 GH will outsell Rock Band: remember that chart of the best selling games in America? No-one expected GH3 is so high - it's got huge brand status, and Activision knows it. They're already advertising World Tour, I keep getting shitty rollover ads on MSN messenger - and they're also advertising Aerosmith and On Tour right now, so the brand will stick in people's minds.
EA/MTV could have made up for that by having more stock, and more advertisement throughout the year: keep the brand going, build it, make it strong and so when GHWT comes out doing the whole band stuff, the general public go "oh well thats just that other game copied, what was it, rock band" and not "oh awesome guitar hero is so clever doing this".
EA/MTV could have made up for that by having more stock, and more advertisement throughout the year: keep the brand going, build it, make it strong and so when GHWT comes out doing the whole band stuff, the general public go "oh well thats just that other game copied, what was it, rock band" and not "oh awesome guitar hero is so clever doing this".
Again, I'm not discussing quality. It may be unfair on RB or not, but the truth is that GH franchise is far healthier than RB, due to a lot of reasons, one of them being it's got more installments.BigBlackGamer said:
And of course RB is nowhere dead or unhealthy, but I never said that. It's simply that GH franchise is a big monster.
After the fiasco of Rock Band in Europe, made worse that they don't even bother coming up with a excuse on why they won't release the game here. I think I just do the unthinkable and go with this game instead. It seems like they have improved upon everything Rock Band was and I feel much more confident in the hw from Neversoft (reason I havn't imported)
BigBlackGamer
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fresquito said:
I agree GH is a monster and if they can pull off there usual numbers with a 180$ package.....holy shit.
McBradders
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BigBlackGamer said:
Just how big an audience do you really think there is for this kind of package?
Have people held off because RB was not GH?
Or did they jump in already because it was precisely the right point to graduate from just guitar in to a much more complete experience.
If World tour isn't compatible with my RB drums (and it's pretty much a given it won't be) then Activision and Neversoft can fuck off, quite frankly. Just because they are the "dominant" force in this genre it doesn't mean they can rightly fuck consumers in the ass or expect them to double dip on the same goddamn kit time and time again.
JonathanEx
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It might not be that people have held off because it's not GH, maybe that they're more inclined to buy something with a familiar brand name. Also, if there's one thing Activision will do, is pump money in to marketing - and they'll have a lot of stock.McBradders said:
There's also the advantage with the game + guitar bundle, people might buy that as just another Guitar Hero game, again capitalising on the brand name.
McBradders
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JonathanEx said:
Yeah I have no doubt that will happen. I'm pondering picking up just the disc myself. However it's really about the kind of audience with the cash and the inclination to actually buy a full blown product like WT in its entireity.
Of course any GH game is going to sell well as a standalone, and it will always do, it has that resonance with its fans and casuals that it can and will do that.
I think its still a hard sell at $180, with propriatary peripherals that aren't going to be compatible at all accross all of these types of games.
Again, Activision appear to be going out of their way to damage this sector of the business due only to their own interests and not that of the medium. Konami are no better, but then I can't see how Rock Revolution is even close to being relevant.
Sorry to say, but that's a very candid to say. Activision is here for the money, and just like they had to pay to license Line 6, other should pay to license Activision's instruments. You can't expect Red Octane to invest in developing all instruments for others to use.McBradders said:
It's like asking Epic for a free Unreal Engine.
I didnt see this posted eurogamer preview
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=156347&page=1
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=156347&page=1
McBradders
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fresquito said:
Hence the "appear to be". That's my observation on it. I fail to see how allowing cross compatibility could harm Activisions business model, right now all it can be doing is seeding consumer confusion and at it's worst, distrust.
At the end of the day we're talking about a fancy fucking gamepad. If anything allowing the PS3 cross compatibility would have opened the door for more GHIII bundle sales.
And, yet again, securing bands exlusivity does more harm than good in my eyes, and I would hope in the eyes of others too. It's just not rock and roll man.
Bearillusion
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Have Activision ever talked about including different genres in the Guitar Hero games. Rock Band has variety and Guitar Hero needs it. For me at least if they ever want me to buy their game over Rock Band.
Then again, it's up to them to do this. They win, they lose. But people can't really expect Activision will spend millions in R&D for their instruments for HMX to use them or anyone else.McBradders said:
It may be unfair for gamers, but it's been like this forever. It's like everytime you see a poor prropietary engine and ask yourself "Why wouldn't Epic handle their engine freely?". That's why there're patents and why you shall pay to use them. It's been like this forever, don't really know why RB supporters can't accept it.
Activision is just doing their best to tll gamers theirs is the right way to go. Although some gamers will hate them for it.
McBradders
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fresquito said:
You're reaching with the Engine/Controller comparison.
Is my Hori DOA 4 Joystick gonna not work with Street Fighter 4 because Capcom have decided to be dicks about it?
I had a great time with Rock Band via friends, but ended up not buying it myself because of poor instrument reliability, rape time bundle, and not liking the feel of the RB guitar.
This looks fuckin' hot, especially the droolworthy guitar. Game + guitar sku option from the start? GH3 boss battles removed and tweaked difficulty curve? At the Drive-In's One Armed Scissor on the playlist? YES. PLZ.
This looks fuckin' hot, especially the droolworthy guitar. Game + guitar sku option from the start? GH3 boss battles removed and tweaked difficulty curve? At the Drive-In's One Armed Scissor on the playlist? YES. PLZ.
It's Hori decision. They might think it's better for them. Probably Activision is thinking the opposite, and since they've got the biggest franchise, it's not very hard to understand why they think so.McBradders said:
I too think it'd be better for gamers to have compatible controllers. That's not to say I will say Activision is doing wrong for not spending millions on R&D and handling that freely to competiton.
If I were a RB supporter I'd be pissed a EA/MTV/HMX for being so cheap to not spend money licensing the instruments, instead of criticising Activision for doing the obvious thing: ask money for their work.
McBradders
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fresquito said:
You're right in that it is a two way street, but then Activision are also in a situation where they could have RB compatibility within Guitar Hero also, but choose not to.
McBradders said:
Because it makes more business sense for them to do it that way. They want people buying their game and their DLC. The same way rockband wants people to buy their game and their dlc.
If harmonix had not made crappy hardware no one would really care that the instruments are compatible.
McBradders
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sneaky77 said:
No?
Really?
Because having four guitars rather than just two is better for me as a consumer?
Am I getting that right?
McBradders said:
Did I say anything about consumers in my post? I said as a business it makes sense for them to lock you into their instruments so you made the investment and stay on their platform for future games.
Neither company cares about the consumer. Is a business, the goal is to make money.