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Hale-XF11 said:
What is it that causes some people to live in fear every day of their lives that they might be killed while the rest of us go our entire lives without the need for a gun?
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I've asked a friend of mine (gun owner) the same thing. He claims he isn't scared or paranoid but he sure could have fooled me.
 
Hale-XF11 said:
What is it that causes some people to live in fear every day of their lives that they might be killed while the rest of us go our entire lives without the need for a gun?
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We call it, fox news. But nah, remember that the US was a country founded of fear? From the british, from the native americans, from the freed slaves, from brown people ....
 
Hale-XF11 said:
What is it that causes some people to live in fear every day of their lives that they might be killed while the rest of us go our entire lives without the need for a gun?
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IT can be a dangerous world out there. There are still cases of people breaking and entering, then proceeding to do whatever they want with the people within. Sure, it's an unreasonable fear, but so it goes: 'rather have it but not need it than need it and not have it.' In their minds, if there's fear, then there's no harm in preparing for it on the off chance that it's realized. Humans are pretty bad at statistics, and anecdotes tend to make those statistics seem worse than they already are, or even worse than they are assumed to be.

So, they go for peace of mind, and if it's fun to practice with it, so much the better.
 
Hale-XF11 said:
What is it that causes some people to live in fear every day of their lives that they might be killed while the rest of us go our entire lives without the need for a gun?
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As a Texan, the fear of home burglarizes. Home owners are ready to pop off.
I actually just read a neighbor say "I hope the police get called first, because I'm armed and waiting to fire. I got a surprise for them."

I agree. My whole family isn't into guns and we are just fine.
 
Abstrusity said:
Well, consider the implications of bombing someone on American soil. What about collateral damage? What about anyone else who wasn't on the crazy guy's side, but seeing him summarily executed, untried...for what? The argument from this angle is as unreasonable as EXPECTING the government to start slaughtering citizens on American soil in the first place.

If we were to ban guns, there will undoubtedly be people holing up in their houses, exercising what was, until that point, their freedom, as explicitly written in the bill of rights, for this express purpose. And those people would be spurred by a brazen attack, to say nothing of the fact that it is in direct disregard of the sixth amendment(and Geneva conventions, making it a war crime) This would be a big can of worms that we can't simply disregard so we can pick up a nice talking point!

Suffice it to say, any government who bombs its own civilians on American soil without a /very/ compelling reason is as tyrannical as the crazy guy thinks. I'm pretty sure if that was an option, they'd be using it.

This is how the logic works, then -- if they can't bomb them, they'd have to use small arms, or the national guard with its larger small arms, and as such, their own small arms would work against them. This is especially true in civilian centers, where the risk of collateral damage is high, in both resources and innocent lives.

Then, how would it be seen on the international stage, for the US to execute civilians en masse without a trial? They'd be talking about US in the same way we talk about countries who do, literally, the same thing in Africa and the Middle East. We would instantly lose any credibility there, which may have disastrous effects on our economy, be it through sanctions, withdrawal of treaties, withdrawal of trade agreements. Even IF the government were tyrannical, it'd be nearly suicidal to do that. I'm by no means an anti-statist or what-have-you, but it'd be a bad decision to bomb people on our own soil, even outside of the moral implications.

Then we'd need to start a witch hunt for anyone with even somewhat similar views, because if you thought Waco was bad, imagine more people, just as crazy, acting against what are, by definition, declarations of war, with access to the internet, in rural and subrural areas that are most likely to have large amounts of components to build explosives.

I have to say, it's a fun thought experiment, but it wouldn't be fun if it happens. Best to do what Australia did, and pressure the holdouts to abide by the rules until they do, instead of just killing them.
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I agree that the government bombing the house of an American citizen would cause a shitload of issues.

But I was looking at it from the angle of a gun nut who would buy that type of arsenal. I've personally heard from a handful of those types say that they need their stockpile in order to overthrow the government if it steps out of line/becomes tyrannical/tries to take their guns away.

My point was just that, if the government was really going to become tyrannical, they could blow up any opposition at any time because, at that point, they wouldn't care about their image or any collateral damage. They'd be tyrants. No amount of weapon stockpiling would actually put an end to that.
 
Hale-XF11 said:
What is it that causes some people to live in fear every day of their lives that they might be killed while the rest of us go our entire lives without the need for a gun?
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Cowardice + false bravado = paranoid gun owners ready to fire until empty at the slightest sudden move.

It's utterly pathetic, to be honest.
 
Chmpocalypse said:
Cowardice + false bravado = paranoid gun owners ready to fire until empty at the slightest sudden move.

It's utterly pathetic, to be honest.
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Too many innocents die for this. Wives, children, and siblings.

i.e. daughter comes home at 1:00 AM after sneaking out. Father is alerted and shoots blindly.
 
Dryk said:
She was an irresponsible gun owner long before this if she thinks it's a good idea to train a child that isn't old enough to comprehend death how to fire a gun
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My point was that everyone seems to claim/think they are responsible gun owners despite all evidence to the contrary. I can almost guarantee she didn't consider herself to be an irresponsible gun owner prior to this incident. Being as cynical as I am I wouldn't be surprised if she still doesn't after this happened.
 
I hate to sound like an after school special as well as a bit of a hypocrite since I have been laughing so much, but this is a woman who is fighting for her life; should she live she may have her son taken away, the child may be scarred for life and a son will be without their mother and a mother even if irresponsible may lose her son. Well at least she may be able to keep her guns, but then on second thought she may be prosecuted and not only lose her child but her right to bear guns too.
 
Bleepey said:
I hate to sound like an after school special as well as a bit of a hypocrite since I have been laughing so much, but this is a woman who is fighting for her life; should she live she may have her son taken away, the child may be scarred for life and a son will be without their mother and a mother even if irresponsible may lose her son. Well at least she may be able to keep her guns, but then on second thought she may be prosecuted and not only lose her child but her right to bear guns too.
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I feel bad for the kid for having an idiot for a parent, but as far as the mother, it's hard for me to feel sympathy when stupid things happen to stupid people. The best outcome for this is that this moron loses her guns and her kids.
 
Bleepey said:
Why are there so few pro gun proponents in this thread?
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There isn't really much to say. She's a dumbass (apparently for more reasons than just this incident going by recent posts). Your weapon needs to be secured.

Massive Duck said:
They're in the Trump supporter thread
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I have voted democrat all the time in every single election since I have been eligible and am all for more gun control measures.
 
Well if she even had an inkling of maybe changing her mind on guns it's squashed now by all the trolling. This woman is going to be focused on how much the liberals were out to get her.

Oh, her baby shot her? Well that's not as bad as the LIBERAL MEDIA OUT FOR A WITCH HUNT! YA'll WEREN'T THERE!

This woman is a dumb caricature, did she just toss her purse with her .45 in the backseat with her kid?
 
I'm just glad the child wasn't hurt. Sucks she was shot but the kid could have handled it like a telescope, sippy cup, or a telephone. Shits sad.
 
So she had some other post about 'her right to protect her son trumps our fear of said gun' makes me think, what if she didn't have her back turned and had a gun on her. Would she defend herself against her son that is about to shoot her?
 
H2Yo said:
So she had some other post about 'her right to protect her son trumps our fear of said gun' makes me think, what if she didn't have her back turned and had a gun on her. Would she defend herself against her son that is about to shoot her?
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I think in that situation the only way to protect her son would be to shoot herself so he doesn't have to
 
SapientWolf said:
Not sure why gun proponents would be any less pissed off at this idiot. They're probably yelling the loudest.
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Yeah, she's a fucking moron.

The loudest gun proponents are usually the dumbest. Someone who owns a gun or two for hunting and keeps them locked up and unloaded and doesn't consider it a big deal isn't posting nonsense Facebook posts or posing with dozens of guns or taking them with them to the local target.

You don't hear from these people because it's simply not a big deal to them and they don't feel it necessary to say much about gun ownership.
 
BladeoftheImmortal said:
So, did she succumb to her wounds or not? One article i read said she died. I am confused, now.
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Most articles are saying she's in stable condition. Police are waiting for her to recover before interviewing her.

One day after a 4-year-old child shot his mother in a pickup truck in Putnam County, police are still waiting to interview the mother.

Capt. Joseph Wells with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office said Jamie Gilt, 31, of Jacksonville remains at UF Health in Gainesville and is medically unable to be interviewed yet, although police have been told she is recovering and in stable condition.

The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office is investigating the case in conjunction with the Florida Department of Children and Family Services, Wells said.
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http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...-wait-answers-mom-4-year-old-son-who-shot-her
 
7DollarHagane said:
This lady is a super dumbass for a variety of reasons but the classic "this incident obviously means that no persons can be responsible/should own a gun" response here is as meaningless as ever.

This lady will likely face plenty of charges and bad effects from this. She will be punished for her irresponsible behavior. It's not like the system encourages this behavior.
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Yeah it's kinda like seeing a news story about drunk driving and then saying that no one should ever drink because of that stupid mistake. There's tons of dangerous things people are allowed to do. Doing them irresponsibly is the crime, not simply doing them
 
Future said:
Yeah it's kinda like seeing a news story about drunk driving and then saying that no one should ever drink because of that stupid mistake. There's tons of dangerous things people are allowed to do. Doing them irresponsibly is the crime, not simply doing them
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What utility does a gun have that outweighs the dangers?
 
Future said:
Yeah it's kinda like seeing a news story about drunk driving and then saying that no one should ever drink because of that stupid mistake. There's tons of dangerous things people are allowed to do. Doing them irresponsibly is the crime, not simply doing them
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Agreed. This is why the whole "gun owners are responsible until they're not" horseshit of an "argument" pisses me off more than just about any other anti-gun "trend" within this community. It's like yeah, no shit Sherlock. Have an Agatha award for your incredible sleuthing skills. People who drink responsibly are also responsible until they're not. People who use any sort of weapon or dangerous item are responsible until they're not. That doesn't mean you treat them with contempt and suspicion on the VERY unlikely chance that they'll hurt someone.

Instead of villainizing gun owners who haven't committed any gun crimes, we should be trying to figure out how to come together and improve gun safety education, make it harder for criminals and the mentally unstable to get guns, and find ways to reduce poverty and gang-related crime. It's incredibly sad that so many people here default to the idea that the government should forcefully take one's property (even if it guarantees bloodshed) instead of coming up with peaceful, achievable solutions to our violence problems. As certain individual states and countries with high gun ownership have shown, societal issues have a much bigger impact on gun violence than simply the prevalence of guns. We desperately need to improve our society as a whole and provide more opportunities to those who often must resort to violence just to survive. We need to destigmatize mental health issues. We need to stop publicizing and glorifying those like the Newtown shooter (I won't mention that fucker's name) who commit unspeakable atrocities just for the notoriety. I implore my fellow gun owners to support people like Bernie Sanders. Not because they support tougher gun legislation, but because their broader ideas would significantly reduce gun violence and in turn the desire for such legislation. There is so much we can do to improve this situation without infringing on one's existing legal rights. If some of you would focus on what's possible rather than what you feel is ideal, we may be able to achieve what ALL of us want: less death and violence.

Compared to some of the shitholes you'll find on the internet, I'm proud to be part of a community like Gaf that, most of the time, is reasonable, compassionate, and informed. But this is one issue where most of Gaf is, unfortunately, none of those things, despite their good intentions. One thing that a lot of you are forgetting is that most gun owners don't have some weird craving for violence. When we see a mass shooting on TV, we grieve with the families just as much as anyone. The only difference is we have different ideas about how these problems should be solved.

pgtl_10 said:
What utility does a gun have that outweighs the dangers?
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Case in point. You could literally ask the same thing about alcohol.
 
Piggus said:
Agreed. This is why the whole "gun owners are responsible until they're not" horseshit of an "argument" pisses me off more than just about any other anti-gun "trend" within this community. It's like yeah, no shit Sherlock. Have an Agatha award for your incredible sleuthing skills. People who drink responsibly are also responsible until they're not. People who use any sort of weapon or dangerous item are responsible until they're not. That doesn't mean you treat them with contempt and suspicion on the VERY unlikely chance that they'll hurt someone.

Instead of villainizing gun owners who haven't committed any gun crimes, we should be trying to figure out how to come together and improve gun safety education, make it harder for criminals and the mentally unstable to get guns, and find ways to reduce poverty and gang-related crime. It's incredibly sad that so many people here default to the idea that the government should forcefully take one's property (even if it guarantees bloodshed) instead of coming up with peaceful, achievable solutions to our violence problems. As certain individual states and countries with high gun ownership have shown, societal issues have a much bigger impact on gun violence than simply the prevalence of guns. We desperately need to improve our society as a whole and provide more opportunities to those who often must resort to violence just to survive. We need to destigmatize mental health issues. We need to stop publicizing and glorifying those like the Newtown shooter (I won't mention that fucker's name) who commit unspeakable atrocities just for the notoriety. I implore my fellow gun owners to support people like Bernie Sanders. Not because they support tougher gun legislation, but because their broader ideas would significantly reduce gun violence and in turn the desire for such legislation. There is so much we can do to improve this situation without infringing on one's existing legal rights. If some of you would focus on what's possible rather than what you feel is ideal, we may be able to achieve what ALL of us want: less death and violence.

Compared to some of the shitholes you'll find on the internet, I'm proud to be part of a community like Gaf that, most of the time, is reasonable, compassionate, and informed. But this is one issue where most of Gaf is, unfortunately, none of those things, despite their good intentions. One thing that a lot of you are forgetting is that most gun owners don't have some weird craving for violence. When we see a mass shooting on TV, we grieve with the families just as much as anyone. The only difference is we have different ideas about how these problems should be solved.



Case in point. You could literally ask the same thing about alcohol.
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Strong gun control is a good start. The best possible path we can take in fact. So, yeah.

I am not allowed to drive while intoxicated in my state. I can however legally have a rifle or handgun in the backseat next to my child. I also can let a child at any age handle a gun or play with it. Same can't be said for alcohol. I'm not allowed to carry open alcohol containers in city parks, I can however bring a shotgun and sit next to the swingset. You might want to step back from the alcohol comparison because to get guns to the level alcohol is treated, we actually need to start with a lot more tougher regulations of them.
 
Jonm1010 said:
Strong gun control is a good start. The best possible path we can take in fact. So, yeah.

I am not allowed to drive while intoxicated in my state. I can however legally have a rifle or handgun in the backseat next to my child. I also can let a child at any age handle a gun or play with it. Same can't be said for alcohol.
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And this is an area where you and I can agree that that's incredibly fucked up and should be changed. One of the most infuriating part of all this for BOTH sides is deaths and accidents related to negligence. While there are some gun laws that don't really make much sense, there are a lack of others that are simply baffling, especially when it comes to the transportation of guns, a lack of harsh laws related to neglegence, the absurdity of open carry, and private gun transfers.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: both sides on the extreme need to wake the fuck up to reality. Gun owners need to cut it out with the "slippery slope" bullshit where they think something like universal background checks equates to "Obama tryna take muh guns n' freedom," and people on the other side need to stop pretending that some kind of blanket ban where the government seizes weapons and kills all who resist is a legitimately achievable "solution."
 
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