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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Here's the de facto gun OT. We might need an actual OT soon though.
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Eyeron
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Could always ask in this thread. The community thread doesn't get a lot of traffic but the regulars are knowledgeable.
Thanks! Good point, looks like that place can go a few days without posts.
Question is pretty much the same, looking for my first weapon, nothing crazy. Looking to get a hand gun for home safety, but I have no idea where to begin. Talking with a friend and we're talking about going out to one of the ranges nearby to get some hands on especially since CA has a test you need to take prior to being able to attempt to purchase. Looking for something simple, easy to maintain, reliable, and doesn't cost a fortune. Planning to spend around $600 - $700 on this. Any tips?
Cindi Mayweather
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http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
This site is questionable. Reading their hypothesis is interesting however.
This site is questionable. Reading their hypothesis is interesting however.
rykomatsu
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Well, the CA assault weapons ban is going into place on 1-Jan-2017, and you need 10 days for DROS to clear (if no issues are found). So you probably have some (a lot) panic buying setting in for "scary" looking weapons as well.
You don't need to get experience at a range to pass the test.
https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/hscsg.pdf
Study that for like 30min to an hour and you should be set to go. It's ridiculously easy. I studied, went to take exam, and came back with my cert while my wife was napping. Range experience definitely doesn't hurt, but there's no reason you couldn't be done with this portion say tomorrow if you really wanted to.
Do you want to buy new? Or used OK? Some good deals can be had (like a Sig 226 for ~$750 for example)
Cindi Mayweather
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Colion Noir gets my seal of approval.
Mammoth Jones
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Wish that was legal in NY. Bunch of woods behind my mothers house. But nope.
What are some of the pros and cons to buying new vs used? I'm completely new to this and the consumer in me would prefer new, but without really knowing I couldn't say to be honest.
Thanks, watching this now. So far this guy makes this look like a piece of cake to handle and use.
Old Gimlet Eyes
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Used vs new is all about who had it previously, how good they took care of it and what brand it is. I bought a mini 14 used years ago, didn't know the guy too well, but new his friends from the calguns.net forum. Mini 14 is also stupid reliable so I knew at least that it would shoot at the least and be an awesome rifle at best, which it is. I wouldn't hesitate to buy used, but talk with the seller, get some background and make sure it is a reliable make/model.
rykomatsu
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You can get decent discount compared to equivalent new firearm. However, don't expect to find that bargain of a lifetime...if something seems excessively cheap, there is probably a reason for that.
This probably doesn't apply to you, but you can also purchase off roster handguns in CA if via private party transfer which you otherwise wouldn't be able to. For example, a law enforcement officer can obtain a Gen4 Glock, then sell it used via private party transfer (can't be a strawman purchase though). For off roster guns, though, most command a premium...
Cindi Mayweather
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Read this and thought of this thread.
https://medium.com/@jonst0kes/confessions-of-a-progressive-gun-nut-ae0e6a8f6146#.m7webrdk2
https://medium.com/@jonst0kes/confessions-of-a-progressive-gun-nut-ae0e6a8f6146#.m7webrdk2
Honestly, that piece boils down to, "I and my side take a vicious cycle view of human civilization, Human nature doesnt change and ultimately a bloody circle will complete itself. That current gun laws are an effective deterrent against total U.S. government tyranny. I am not going to qualify my thesis empirically(in fact side step it when I take on the counter-point) but you need to accept it and if you want to do anything about it, you need to ignore questioning our assumptions, and leave our guns alone. Instead, focus on the other liberal things I like and through that shared prosperity people will find guns antiquated...Even though I just argued earlier my side will never buy into that."
I appreciate the thoughtful attempt at thinking about this issue on his part, and I think he points out some things that may hold true for people on either side in terms of their reasoning, but by failing to incorporate empiricism into his argument, he left himself open to some easy deconstructions. On top of what seems to be a sort of self-defeating logic.
For instance he implies a hard line between shared prosperity and a reduction in the desire for gun ownership. Setting aside his own logical knot, in this supposed struggling economic times, where the gap between the very rich and every one else is at levels not seen in nearly a century, household gun ownership on a per-person basis has fallen. It certainly may describe some of the present logic of the gun owners that are around, that are buying more and more guns, but as a whole that doesn't seem to hold true in America.
I appreciate the thoughtful attempt at thinking about this issue on his part, and I think he points out some things that may hold true for people on either side in terms of their reasoning, but by failing to incorporate empiricism into his argument, he left himself open to some easy deconstructions. On top of what seems to be a sort of self-defeating logic.
For instance he implies a hard line between shared prosperity and a reduction in the desire for gun ownership. Setting aside his own logical knot, in this supposed struggling economic times, where the gap between the very rich and every one else is at levels not seen in nearly a century, household gun ownership on a per-person basis has fallen. It certainly may describe some of the present logic of the gun owners that are around, that are buying more and more guns, but as a whole that doesn't seem to hold true in America.
Cindi Mayweather
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I'll get to your reply but first I'm posting this.
http://www.complex.com/life/2016/11/black-woman-buying-gun-trump-america
http://www.complex.com/life/2016/11/black-woman-buying-gun-trump-america
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Met a guy at a new work site that just moved from Brooklyn to Salt Lake City, I spent a few minutes trying to explain to him what gun ownership in Utah is like, and that even to pleasant polite Mormons he's still just a brown face with curly black hair. He said coming from New York he hates guns, so I said to him "it's not about how you feel about them, it's about being responsible for your own safety."
He seemed in doubtful, it seemed like he had an idea that people own guns here but just leave them at home. Then another guy working there came in, took off his jacked and had a 45 loaded with hollow points on his belt, with two full spare mags. I looked at him and said "it's no joke here, these people are armed. If someone means to do you harm you have to be able to meet them with equal force."
I had hoped to get his phone number so I could follow up with him about at the very least investigating a gun safety class and maybe a CCP class, but we separated and I don't think either one of us is going to be at that site again. Maybe that moment will stick with him.
He seemed in doubtful, it seemed like he had an idea that people own guns here but just leave them at home. Then another guy working there came in, took off his jacked and had a 45 loaded with hollow points on his belt, with two full spare mags. I looked at him and said "it's no joke here, these people are armed. If someone means to do you harm you have to be able to meet them with equal force."
I had hoped to get his phone number so I could follow up with him about at the very least investigating a gun safety class and maybe a CCP class, but we separated and I don't think either one of us is going to be at that site again. Maybe that moment will stick with him.
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