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[dr3upmushroom]

If I was near a coffee shop or something, I think if this kid did it to me I'd take his camera and film him while I found someone to let me upload the video. Then I'd give him his stuff back.

 

[Metrotab]

If this was a type of art project, would people here feel different about it?

 

[Enco]

You're the one advocating punching him and destroying his camera. I'd say you're the one not understanding human interaction.

I never said punch him.

Violence isn't the answer.

Is anyone arguing that it's not rude? Of course it is. But it's hypocritical to be angry at this gentleman and not the dozens of other cameras that film you on a daily basis. It also exposes how insecure and awkward people are, and someone more intelligent and with a desire to better themselves would recognize what's being exposed here and learn from it, not rage at it.

No it's not.

What other cameras are you talking about? What cameras are getting into my face, disturbing my personal space, getting a reaction from me, being a smart ass and uploading the footage online without blurring? CCTV does NOT do that. It is nowhere near the same.

What are you comparing this to?

I'm not sure that you do. I don't agree with everything he did, but he was far from how poorly people responded to him.

I used to have a job where I filmed people for a living. The reactions people make are sometimes priceless.

This is confusing.

1. He was rude as hell
2. He was invading peoples personal space
3. He wouldn't leave and kept pushing
4. He was harassing people
5. He was disrupting classes

How is any of that even remotely ok?

The amount of internet-tough-guys in this thread is astounding.

You wouldn't do shit if you knew me in real life, specially since I'm not the guy with the camera. I'm just saying that you give up privacy in public spaces and you can't opt out of human interaction - and newsflash - some of that interaction may bother you, be it some weirdo with a camera, a street preacher, crazy hobo, or a busker playing some terrible song or whatever.

If it bothers you just carry on.

Because no one has a right to 'not be bothered'. Right?

I have the right to my personal space. If you invade that, I'm not going to smile and give you a fucking hug. I'll try walk away sure, but you keep following me and harassing me I'm not gonna stand there happy.

Not everyone is a pushover.

 

[G-Fex]

Would it be illegal to break this guy's camera?

NO STOP! You're violating his right to be invasive! He's not doing anything wrong!

You're tearing me apart Salva!

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Would it be illegal to break this guy's camera?

Of course it would.

 

[Visualante2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJNAvyLCTik

 

[Barbacoatl]

I have a little social experiment.

Let's post pics of ourselves in this very thread to see who's more insecure than who.

I dare you.

 

[Enco]

NO STOP! You're violating his right to be invasive! He's not doing anything wrong!

You're tearing me apart Salva!

Yea bro gotta protect da freedum to harass anyone we want!

 

[Fivefold]

I have the right to my personal space.

You don't have fucking personal space in a public space. They're kinda like, opposite things.

 

[Enco]

You don't have fucking personal space in a public space. They're kinda like, opposite things.

What? No.

On a crowded bus, mall or train? Sure.

In university, a restaurant or in an empty park? Hell yes I do.

A small temporary invasion is ok. An invasion + filming + being an asshole + harassment = NEVER OK.

 

[KillGore]

I would just pop out my camera and record him

 

[Ninja Scooter]

What? No.

On a crowded bus, mall or train? Sure.

In university, a restaurant or in an empty park? Hell yes I do.

A small temporary invasion is ok. An invasion + filming + being an asshole + harassment = NEVER OK.

You really don't. If you are at a restaurant and somebody wants to be an ass and sit right next to you, there's not much you can do about it.

 

[Messofanego]

If he only filmed in a public space, it'd be fine but he constantly went into private property.

If you're arguing that this is equivalent to CCTV, when does CCTV intrude your personal space and address your presence? And then upload it on a public website for everyone to see, so that other people can figure out where you live?

The only equivalence and possibility of hypocrisy, hokakey, would be if an actual android started filming you and you weren't bothered by it compared to this live person.

 

[G-Fex]

You really don't. If you are at a restaurant and somebody wants to be an ass and sit right next to you, there's not much you can do about it.

You don't have fucking personal space in a public space. They're kinda like, opposite things.

you guys crack me up

 

[Nokagi]

Guy is being a dick and I could totally understand someone kicking his ass for it but that said I really enjoyed these videos. It's funny but I also find it interesting to see the different levels of anger people show just from being filmed.

 

[SystemShock2]

What a piece of shit. I'm all for fucking with random people, but once you prove your point, move on. After you get the initial uncomfortable reaction, there's really not much more to the game other than being a dickhead.

 

[Barbacoatl]

I'm sure his supporters are totally a-ok with the westboro church at soldiers funerals.

 

[Oppo]

Your claim that it's hypocritical requires that a person see the two situations as being the same. It's very easy, and natural, for a person to see them as different. How can you prove that your perception of them being the same is the one true way to see it? I shouldn't even have to say this, but there is clearly a difference of some degree between passive, stationary video cameras and a person seeking you out and filming you. We can disagree about the importance of this difference, but it's hard to argue there's no difference at all. The importance of this difference is going to be subjective, which is another reason your firm claim that everyone who sees things a certain way is an insecure hypocrite is untenable.

ok, but you are dancing around the actual, practical happenstance of why it's worse if you can see the human pointing the camera a short distance away.

let me give another example. guy sitting on a park bench. he has goggles and an AR drone with a telescopic lens. he's taking photos in a park of people. he's doing what you could do on the ground with a regular camera but from a vantage point you don't notice. do you feel as wronged? no? yes? why?

 

[Alligatorjandro]

People dont have decency anymore.

 

[Kusagari]

I'm sure his supporters are totally a-ok with the westboro church at soldiers funerals.

I'd hope most people are ok with that.

Westboro is heinous but free speech allows them to be absolute cunts.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Seems like theres two separate discussions getting mixed up here. Some people are talking about whats legally okay and others are talking about whats morally okay. Different things guys.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm sure his supporters are totally a-ok with the westboro church at soldiers funerals.

From a legality stand point? Yes. I'm not a supporter of his, any more than I am a supporter of the Westboro church people. If someone slugged him in the face I wouldn't feel bad for him, same with them. To be honest, I have no problem with the way people reacted in the videos, aside from those that threatened him with violence or took swipes. It's the "I'd punch him in the face and destroy his camera" reactions here that I find absurd. I don't get where you think someone is a "supporter" of his just because I don't agree with acting like a uncivilized animal whenever somebody does something annoying.

 

[Fivefold]

BTW this guy is just doing what people like Bruce Gilden do, but for an internet audience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRBARi09je8

Please go punch this guy and smash his camera.

 

[Barbacoatl]

From a legality stand point? Yes. I'm not a supporter of his, any more than I am a supporter of the Westboro church people. If someone slugged him in the face I wouldn't feel bad for him, same with them. To be honest, I have no problem with the way people reacted in the videos, aside from those that threatened him with violence or took swipes. It's the "I'd punch him in the face and destroy his camera" reactions here that I find absurd.

Good, you are changing your mind and not supporting his actions.

And I'm still waiting for pictures of you guys, especially the ones who are so comfortable in their own skin to call the rest of us insecure and socially awkward sissies.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Good, you are changing your mind and not supporting his actions.

And I'm still waiting for pictures of you guys, especially the ones who are so comfortable in their own skin to call the rest of us insecure and socially awkward sissies.

I am not changing anything. I never supported his actions. You seem to have issues with reading comprehension.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Acting violent towards the guy, as in breaking the camera would turn him into the victim. He isn't worth going to court over or paying him money to replace the camera that was broken. Let him act stupid, call over security, walk away, and let him be the one to look foolish on his YouTube channel.

 

[Barbacoatl]

I am not changing anything. I never supported his actions. You seem to have issues with reading comprehension.

You said you wouldn't mind if someone does something to him, that's a change of mind from the original stance to defend him and care so much if his face gets oh so punched.

 

[diamount]

I'm sure his supporters are totally a-ok with the westboro church at soldiers funerals.

I hope you're not being serious. Using the lowest common denominator as an example is pretty stupid.

 

[Particle Physicist]

He's not breaking any laws as long as it's not private property. People like security officials, cops, and anyone with a government job is allowed to be filmed because they are seen as government officials. There's a guy on youtube that videotapes cops all the time and they don't like it one bit.

He does it inside classrooms and in other buildings.

 

[Fivefold]

Acting violent towards the guy, as in breaking the camera would turn him into the victim. He isn't worth going to court over or paying him money to replace the camera that was broken. Let him act stupid, call over security, walk away, and let him be the one to look foolish on his YouTube channel.

Besides we all know the guys clamoring to punch him and smash his stuff if he ever did that to them would probably just mumble something then post on the internet about it.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

ok, but you are dancing around the actual, practical happenstance of why it's worse if you can see the human pointing the camera a short distance away.

let me give another example. guy sitting on a park bench. he has goggles and an AR drone with a telescopic lens. he's taking photos in a park of people. he's doing what you could do on the ground with a regular camera but from a vantage point you don't notice. do you feel as wronged? no? yes? why?

I don't think I'm dancing around anything. A surveillance camera is static, distant, and non-conscious. The guy making these videos actively approaches people. His behavior is unexpected and hard to interpret. As a result his subjects feel an entirely different sort of discomfort than they'd feel when standing in the view of a CCTV camera in a parking garage or on a street corner.

As for your example, I wouldn't feel wronged. I'd be curious, I'd probably think he's weird, maybe I'd think he was doing something unseemly, but I wouldn't be anywhere close to outraged. He's not following particular people, he's presumably causing less personal discomfort. If people don't even notice him, I don't see the harm.

 

[Barbacoatl]

I hope you're not being serious. Using the lowest common denominator as an example is pretty stupid.

Oh now you feel insecure. Have family soldiers or something?

What about the supporters, would you guys be as in love with him if he went up to your little girl and 'just film' her?

 

[entremet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJNAvyLCTik

This is way better from an art perspective, youtube dude was just trolling. Funny though.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

You said you wouldn't mind if someone does something to him, that's a change of mind from the original stance to defend him and care so much if his face gets oh so punched.

I didn't say I wouldn't mind as though I condone it, I said I wouldn't feel bad. Pretty sure when he goes out he knows there's a chance somebody is going to do something to him. Again, reading is fundamental, bro.

 

[Barbacoatl]

I didn't say I wouldn't mind as though I condone it, I said I wouldn't feel bad. Pretty sure when he goes out he knows there's a chance somebody is going to do something to him. Again, reading is fundamental, bro.

Bro, I'm not the one so worried for his face getting punched!

 

[ihearthawthats]

let me give another example. guy sitting on a park bench. he has goggles and an AR drone with a telescopic lens. he's taking photos in a park of people. he's doing what you could do on the ground with a regular camera but from a vantage point you don't notice. do you feel as wronged? no? yes? why?

how can you feel wronged if you don't notice?

first, of all, not everyone believes that surveillance cameras are used for the purpose of invading privacy. second of all, even if you did how would you stop it? asking someone to stop filming you is a simple thing to do. if the cameraman obliged, no one would be even talking about this video. honestly, the situations are barely comparable at all.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Bro, I'm not the one so worried if his face gets punched!

So your response now in the face of a discussion is to not make any sense? Ok. By the way you are annoying me and invading my personal e-space can I punch you in the face?

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

Oh now you feel insecure. Have family soldiers or something?

What about the supporters, would you guys be as in love with him if he went up to your little girl and 'just film' her?

Who's in love with him? I think most people are finding some of the outrage a little disproportionate to his actions, thats all.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Who's in love with him? I think most people are finding some of the outrage a little disproportionate to his actions, thats all.

Dude doesn't seem to get this. Don't worry now he'll applaud you for changing your mind!

 

[Barbacoatl]

So your response now in the face of a discussion is to not make any sense? Ok. By the way you are annoying me and invading my personal e-space can I punch you in the face?

Yeah, let's have an e-punchout.

 

[CloakedPuppet]

[Costanza]We're living in a society here!!![/Costanza]

 

[Barbacoatl]

Who's in love with him? I think most people are finding some of the outrage a little disproportionate to his actions, thats all.

So, would you be ok with him 'just filming' your little girl?

Just curious here.

 

[diamount]

Oh now you feel insecure. Have family soldiers or something?

What about the supporters, would you guys be as in love with him if he went up to your little girl and 'just film' her?

Of course I wouldn't like it but like isn't the issue here. You can't censor an individual and still live in a democracy, it doesn't work like that. You just grit your teeth and get on with it.

 

[Fivefold]

So, would you be ok with him 'just filming' your little girl?

Just curious here.

I'd never allow my little girl to leave home. Too many scary predators outside.

 

[Barbacoatl]

Ok, let's all be sarcastic and condescending.

Still waiting for your pictures!

 

[Enco]

You really don't. If you are at a restaurant and somebody wants to be an ass and sit right next to you, there's not much you can do about it.

I would move or just relax.

If they were filming me, disturbing me or being general assholes then I would be pissed.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

So, would you be ok with him 'just filming' your little girl?

Just curious here.

He didn't film anyones little girl so thats a pointless question.

If he did that to me in public I'd probably be a little bit irritated but I honestly don't think I'd react like some of the people in that video did or like some in this thread are saying they would. I'd probably tell him to fuck off at most. It would be a mild irritation and would probably leave me feeling more confused than anything else.

 

[Foothills]

So, would you be ok with him 'just filming' your little girl?

Just curious here.

In public? sure.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

So, would you be ok with him 'just filming' your little girl?

Just curious here.

Ok? No. That's why if he did that, I would get her and walk away. Which is kind of what I and many others have been trying to say since the beginning that you seem to have a hard time grasping. Person is doing something that is annoying, you can just get up and leave rather than overreact and beat the shit out of him. Not a very difficult concept to understand, yet you keep acting like we are his "supporters" and are going to go out and start filming people for fun too.

 

[cashman]

why am I not surprised that people here are defending this guy?