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Decado said:
Diet, yo'
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Gyms: Common Things to Know, and GAF's Experiences
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Diet, yo'
gregor7777
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Decado said:
Getting nice abs have far more to do with diet and reducing overall body fat than they do with blasting that area with exercise.
Earl Cazone
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Gilby said:
Yeah I'm aware that this takes a long time. I just wasnt sure if there were forms of training more suited for bulky muscles and some more suited for nice defined lines, so i mentioned it.
BronzeWolf
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Earl Cazone said:
No
You get stronger by getting muscle, and then you cut the fat. Easiest way. Defined lines are a function of body fat.
Gryphter said:
I do the same thing, I can't listen to music or podcasts while I'm working... so my time at the gym is the only chance I get to catch up on that kind of stuff. I mostly listen to videogame podcasts, if I don't have any new ones I fall back on whatever music is on my shuffle.
I have the older style clip on iPod shuffle, and I have some nice Shure in-ear headphones that go over the top of my ears... those coupled with the short cable that came with a free pair of Bose headphones I got a long time ago the iPod clips to the bottom of my shirt and the wire is the perfect length to get to my ears. The wire is about as slack as my shirt, it never gets in the way because I run the wire inside the shirt.
BronzeWolf
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wud said:
I said it, please explain, because I am curious to know why depleting your anaeorbic pathways first, going maximum effort on exercices that require maximum effort and then moving into oxidation workout is somehow worse than the other way around.
hectorse said:
There's alot of conflicting information about it around about which order to do them in, but if you go in and do your weights before the cardio you physically cannot run/cycle/swim as long, plus it has a huge pyschological effect as you'll be running along thinking "ahh my arms are sore might just bail now..." and not do as much cardio.
I probably shouldn't have said "wrong" because thats not true as either way can work I suppose
BronzeWolf
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wud said:
Problem is, how do you expect to set PR's on a big 3x5 squat or a 5RM Deadlift if you have depleted your most effective energy sources for anabolic stress?
hectorse said:
this post highlights everything thats wrong with the gym
words, numbers and gym lingo are not reality, at the end of the day i've put on 6kg of weight without a strict nutrition scheme, i can run 3 miles on a treadmill whereas i used to die after 1, i can lift double what i could before by using any random machine avaliable and i'm starting to get a 6-pack. This has been 1 month.
I'm more than happy to admit that for people bulking up, do cardio after weights. But don't stress it as though its fact and will work for everyone
Parallax Scroll
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I think I'll be rejoining a gym soon. It's been over a year since I stopped going, but I think I'll be going back to the same university gym as before. It's a lot more expensive than 24h fitness (about $35 a month vs like $12 a month with the 24h costco plan), but the university gym has more of the equipment I'd use. The nearest 24h has one ... I think it's called squat rack. There's no cage or safety bars or anything, just the rack to put the bar back onto. The university gym has one ... I think it's called a power cage/rack? It's got adjustable height safety bars so you can safely squat without a spot. Plus the uni gym has an olympic platform that is great for deadlifts. I think the extra expense is worth it for access to that stuff.
BronzeWolf
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wud said:
Ah, I see. You don't know what you are talking about.
Any program will work for a beginner, because beginners are so unconditioned that even shooting themselves in the foot will work. A program is good only if progress can be objectively measured and obtained over a period
Parallax Scroll said:
Yes it's very worth it. I wish my gym had an oly platform
Steve Youngblood
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Heh. I know my question sounds stupid, but it reminded me of a source of confusion I've had in the past. That being is the argument about weights vs. resistance, or free weights vs. machines? My question has been answered.hectorse said:
BronzeWolf
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Steve Youngblood said:
There are no stupid questions, just cynyc lifters haha
peterb0y said:
Strict nutrition scheme, I've stopped all fizzy drinks, sweets etc. Eating alot more veg for fibre and oily fish. I still treat myself with pizza and stuff a few times a week though.
Also I know what each machine does and obviously I have ones that I will make sure I do, but throwing a couple in you usually don't do and switching the order helps keep your muscles on their toes so you don't used to a routine and hit the wall
SolarPowered
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The kind of program you're describing tends to work best for beginners who have a lot of initial growth. It's not healthy or safe to add more weight on your lifts as you increase the length or intensity of your cardio sessions.wud said:
Lift heavy or light first and then go for the light cardio to let the body regain it's stable heart rate. This stuff is pretty basic.
He has a point on the machines. It's a nice way to confuse the muscles a bit and it can be useful for a nice controlled pump. I would just make it a minimal(20%) part of my overall workout.peterb0y said:
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There is nothing wrong with a word like "confuse" to describe the process of shocking muscles for new growth. Most everyday people in gyms have way worse ideas about how muscles work. Oh, I forgot to add something. It's important to get the most out of your program. Like hectorse said, it's best to keep working at your program as long as you are gaining muscle, reps or lifting strength.
BronzeWolf
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wud said:
Stop anthropomorphizing muscles. Muscles don't have a brain, they don't get "confused". You only stop seeing progress as the stress applied to the muscle outweights the possible recovery in the given rest time between workouts.
If your program is working, as in you are capable of lifting more each time, there is no need to change it.
Order of workouts is just management of energy, it's better to go from most exhaustive workouts to less demanding workouts, and that usually means going from the workouts that recruit muscle towards the more isolated exercises
wud said:
You are not upsetting anyone. I am an oly lifter, and even then, you ar epretty entertaining. If anything, it's you that is coming out as a funny moron
SolarPowered
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oh shit
I just realized he's only been at this for a month or so. You don't have much advice to give wud trust me.
:lol :lol :lol
I just realized he's only been at this for a month or so. You don't have much advice to give wud trust me.
:lol :lol :lol
BronzeWolf
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wud said:
You can do it as a beginner, because beginner's ability to lift and exhert themselves, is 0, You won't be able to do that after a while, and even if you are just doing random shit, there is no measure against to which you can compare your progress
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You're inexperience says it all. Hectorse had already mentioned that it's important to approach heavy weight(heavy weight is relative. it may be a 400lb deadlift for me or a 150lb deadlift for you) with a fresh body. Any cardio or strenuous activity that is done before hand can only put you at risk of injury(trust me I've been there).wud said:
You had already mentioned that you have been working out for a month or so. Man when I started deadlifting I went from 135 5x5 to 230 5x5 in under two months. Beginners have no idea how unconditioned they are and approach the gym like superman until they get injured and wise up. You can't keep piling more and more stress on the body as you get stronger and you certainly can't do it when you are tiring your body out with 30 minute cardio sessions.
Sorry if I sound kind of angry or preachy. It's just that I'd rather not see people getting hurt in the gym if it can be avoided.
I agree.:lolpeterb0y said:
Anton Sugar
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Yikes, I saw wud's post up there and was about to reply, but successive discussion has rendered that unnecessary.
Johnlenham
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You are a moron.wud said:
Id agree with all the other saying take an ipod and don't make friends (or at least not till you've done your workout).
I plug them into my ears, drop the cable down my t shirt and round into my my pocket and stick the excess in there aswell, whack the volume up to block out everyone and get on with it :lol
ForzaItalia
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I can't stress enough to simply "not give a fuck" at the gym. Who cares if you can barely curl 10 pound dbs or can only bench the olympic bar. I know it's easier said than done but don't get intimidated by douches or people that are clueless in general.
Stick to your program and fuck the losers.
Someone was spot on with mentioning form over weight. Follow that approach and the weight will come.
I always go out of my way to make those that seem intimated more comfortable at the gym.
Stick to your program and fuck the losers.
Someone was spot on with mentioning form over weight. Follow that approach and the weight will come.
I always go out of my way to make those that seem intimated more comfortable at the gym.
Anton Sugar
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Another piece of gym etiquette: if someone (particularly Oly lifters) is getting ready for what looks to be a tough lift--don't walk in front of them. Go around or wait. It's just common respect, and it's very easy to learn this the hard way.
gregor7777
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ShOcKwAvE said:
Not too heavy that it affects your form, however. In case someone takes this comment the wrong way.
BertramCooper
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This is like an angry version of the Fitness-GAF thread. :lol
ThirdEngine
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Here's a nice little article on machines versus free weights:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/keats1.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/keats1.htm
Decado said:
Everybody wants a six pack, but a six pack doesn't happen in the gym, it happens at home with your diet. You gotta have your bodyfat low enough. In the gym what you can do is make your abs bigger certainly, but it's that diet that will give you them chocolate bars.
And like it or not, getting your bodyfat low enough like that without you looking like a scrawny little shit, requires a whole lot of work. Much harder than just getting bigger.
canoli2006
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Male personal trainers who always seem to have female clients that are super hot. Obviously, helping the client reach their fitness goals is not their number one priority.
TheRagnCajun
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:lol Fitness-GAF attacked in full force.
wud said:
I just wanted to comment on this with my own experiences.
I do the workout first then do my cardio route. I have absolutely no problems with it and prefer it this way. I tried doing cardio first then weights and I found a lot of my exercises I wouldn't be able to finish because I was far too exhausted.
I normally do my lower or upper body workout then as soon as I finish I hit the roads for 40-60 minutes of jogging.
Anton Sugar
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BertramCooper said:
No kidding. And people already complain about the Fitness thread...
gregor7777 said:
Well, lifting heavy always demands some sacrifice in form. Some coaches will tell you that if you are doing a max effort lift and you have perfect form, you probably aren't doing a max effort lift.
BUT...
To clarify:
High reps does not make "svelte" muscles. High reps CAN be better for fat loss, as you're crossing the line between an aerobic and anaerobic movement.
Lifting heavy is NOT something you should do all the time, but you should do it frequently. By heavy, I mean 1-3 reps. 5 reps is the golden rep range for size and strength.
High reps can actually build more muscle than low reps, depending on what else you're doing in your training, but it's a sarcoplasmic, "bloated" sort of hypertrophy, as opposed to myofibrillar, "dense" hypertrophy you achieve with lower reps.
Lower reps/higher weight is also better for your bones but requires stronger connective tissue. So if you've only ever done high reps, ease into low reps (if you are using heavy weight).
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