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H.P. Lovecraft-Age [OT] If It Ain't Weird, It Don't Belong In Here!

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Who is H.P. Lovercraft: One of the preeminent American authors of Weird Fiction.
For a great and well made biography...that's in video form. Check out Lovecraft: Fear of the Unknown currently available free to stream form Snag films. Featuring Biographers like S.T. Johsi, Directors like Gordon, Del Toro, and Carpenter. It's a great biography and overview of the mans life and his works.
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/lovecraft_fear_of_the_unknown/

Where Can I Read His Works
: You're in luck, all of Lovecrafts writing is in the Public Domain and can be found all over the internet. I do recommend personally the Penguin Classic Editions as they have excellent explanatory notes. If you have access to the Oxford English Dictionary from a college or university you attend, keep logged into that too!

AudioBook Realms which are narrated wonderfully by Wayne June are giving away for free At The Mountains of Madness and The Statement of Randolph Carter (along with Edgar Rice Burroughs The Land That Time Forgot) for nothing! I just downloaded all of them and I can verify it's no scam or demo, just the whole book!
http://www.theaudiobookshop.com/freeaudiobook.html

Feel free to discuss his life and works here

Lovecraft in Gaming:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409144

I'll add some pics and other stuff later.
 

Combichristoffersen

Combovers don't work when there is no hair
'That is not dead which can eternal lie..' :D

I also recommend the pocket editions of H.P Lovecraft Omnibus vol. 1-3, as they collect most of his published stories, except for a few little-known stories and his poems.
 
Combichristoffersen said:
'That is not dead which can eternal lie..' :D

I also recommend the pocket editions of H.P Lovecraft Omnibus vol. 1-3, as they collect most of his published stories, except for a few little-known stories and his poems.

How are they with explanatory notes? I think why I go with the Penguin Classics ones are the fact that S.T. Joshi did them and they really are expansive with writing history, further reading and the notes themselves. It's like a Special Edition of the stories! Still the OED is never a bad idea.
 

Hilbert

Deep into his 30th decade
Not sure what I can add here. I love Lovecraft, and can see his influence on horror fiction(of which I am a ravenous consumer), and horror entertainment on a whole. Stephen King has mentioned that he probably wouldn't have even started writing if it wasn't for Lovecraft.

I have an interesting book that analyzes some of Lovecraft's themes. I will look it up when I get home from work.

If you like lovecraft, I would recommend the mangas by Junji Ito. Great stories and the author clearly talks about how he is inspired by lovecraft.
 

Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Good idea to spin this thread off. I hereby christen it with Cthulhu-kitten:

cthulhu+cat.jpg


(Also, would love to see one of those photographs of Lovecraft smiling, from the later years, mentioned in the gaming thread.)

One of the most fascinating things about this author is that he essentially initiated a movement of "professional fan fiction" writers. His body of work is large but reputedly his body of correspondence dwarfs it, and a few of his contemporaries and proteges took to writing their own works of fiction dealing with the creations of his mythos. Robert Bloch, August Derleth and others have extended the notoriety and popularity of the "Elder Gods" Cthulhu, Nyarlothotepp, etc into a well-known tapestry of fictional narrative, well after Lovecraft uncelebrated and impovershed departure from this mortal plane. Derleth in particular seemed so make it his life's work to celebrate and develop the works and the name of Lovecraft, though his own writing's integrity to the original spirit of the Cthulhu mythos has been questioned.

Still, I read this:

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http://www.amazon.com/dp/0760702535/?tag=neogaf0e-20
...and recommend it for curiosity, if nothing else. And, to be fair, Lovecraft wrote in a rather dense style that can be difficult with which to find a good flow. In Derleth's best works, you can read a story true to the spirit of Lovecraft in a more casual, readable style.

In his worst, he distorts the original intention with his own flavorings, adding alignments to earthly elements to Elder Gods not of this Earth, and seeming to create more benevolent Elder Gods. From the original gaming thread:

DiscoJer said:
Be very cautious about August Derleth's stuff

He meant well (though he also sort of changed HPL's original intent with the mythos by adding Good Guys), but a lot of his stuff is just really poorly done. Either badly written (The Lurker at the Threshold) or just re-telling Lovecraft.

That said, a few are pretty decent and pretty much all these are in his collected "The Watcher out of Time". The Shuttered Room in particular is very good (it even got turned into a movie, though taking out all the Lovecraft elements).


Of course, nowadays you see a lot of this sort of 'picking up the baton,' as in "Tom Clancy's (Insert Title)"--not at all written by Tom Clancy, or the continuation of the Dune series, or the Wheel of Time series. Its also very possible there are plenty of examples of this around Lovecraft's time that I'm not aware of. Certainly there are no new stories under the sun and even Shakespeare proved the phrase 'talent borrows, genius steals.'

Yet, even with all that said, I think the reason Lovecraft's work has endured as long as it has is that it really did show a remarkable amount of ingenuity and originality in the worlds and beings he imagined. That originality made its mark, and inspired a lot of imitation (the sincerest form of flattery).

EDIT: Added a link instead of a picture of the book... fixed.

EDIT 2: Cthulhu kitten beaten! :D
 

Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Mr. Snrub said:

I'm not sure I would include The Thing, but as long as we're working John Carpenter, I would include Prince of Darkness!

EDIT: Adding some links to articles on the new movie from the gaming thread:

Movie: James Cameron backs Guillermo Del Toro's 3-D adaptation of 'At the Mountains of Madness'
http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=33704
Movie: Del Toro looking to snag Tom Cruise for 'At the Mountains of Madness'
http://www.collider.com/2010/09/02/james-mcavoy-tom-cruise-at-the-mountains-of-madness-guillermo-del-toro/
Another Article
Movie: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/49406846.html
 
Imbarkus said:
Good idea to spin this thread off. I hereby christen it with Cthulhu-kitten:
It's funny you mention cats. One of the nicknames for our cat Roxy is Missy or Miss (which my wife came up with). I eventually started a new variation of that, Miskatonic Miss. :D
 

Hilbert

Deep into his 30th decade
I have uploaded the 2 images that most of us probably think of when we think of Lovecraft. I am sure we have all owned some books that had part of these on the covers at one point in time:

lovecraft1.jpg

lovecraft2.jpg


If some enterprising image manipulator wants, these images can be joined together and a banner can be made.

I took the images from here: http://www.chrismclaren.com/blog/2005/10/06/lovecraft/
and as you can see there is some kind of watermark on them still. Sorry about that.
 

Cyan

Banned
Hilbert said:
I have uploaded the 2 images that most of us probably think of when we think of Lovecraft. I am sure we have all owned some books that had part of these on the covers at one point in time:

http://home.comcast.net/~parischavez/lovecraft1.jpg[IMG]
[IMG]http://home.comcast.net/~parischavez/lovecraft2.jpg[IMG]

If some enterprising image manipulator wants, these images can be joined together and a banner can be made.

I took the images from here: [url]http://www.chrismclaren.com/blog/2005/10/06/lovecraft/[/url]
and as you can see there is some kind of watermark on them still. Sorry about that.[/QUOTE]
That's... not at all what I think of.

[IMG]http://imgur.com/tiDCM.gif
 

Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Mr. Snrub said:
I added the "monsters inspired by" descriptor purely for The Thing :D

Oop. There it is right there! And it's true that the remake has very little inspiration from the James Arness original. So let's add mine and keep yours! :D
 

Acid08

Banned
So I've never read a Lovecraft book, but I've always been interested in the Cthulu figure. Where should I start?
 

thetrin

Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Acid08 said:
So I've never read a Lovecraft book, but I've always been interested in the Cthulu figure. Where should I start?

Well, if you're interested in Cthulhu specifically, start with the short story "Call of Cthulhu".
 

Hilbert

Deep into his 30th decade
Acid08 said:
So I've never read a Lovecraft book, but I've always been interested in the Cthulu figure. Where should I start?

Cthulu is kind of danced around in his stories. Creatures and histories hint at it, but only rarely is it really talked about. The only one that directly deal with it(as far as I know) is the famous "Call of Cthulu".
 
Hilbert said:
Perhaps I just had those on my books when I was a kid.
I think that's it. I've seen those ones as book stores all the times. I especially thing of the skeleton in the cloak. However, I generally don't associate them with Lovecraft.

If you want to see some great artwork; check out the documentary in the OP, it is really just fascinating and so well done.
 

Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Hilbert said:
Perhaps I just had those on my books when I was a kid.

No, I have a collection with that same artwork. I'll track it down and get the name of it... eventually. We moved recently so... who knows where it is. Probably lost in some corner that doesn't quite meet up right if viewed from the right angle. Good find!

If no one else hops to it, I will stitch those together later. I was, in fact, going to make it a pet project to make a "World of Lovecraft" logo and desktop based on some discussion from the gaming thread, so maybe I shall grab some elements for that from this.

On a related note, this Youtube has a great medley of Cthulhu art, along with a song my wife and I just bought on MP3...

Hey There, Cthulhu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxScTbIUvoA
 

Acid08

Banned
thetrin said:
Well, if you're interested in Cthulhu specifically, start with the short story "Call of Cthulhu".
Alrighty, thank you! Where should I go from there with his writings? What are seen as the essential writings. Also would like to know what his weirdest, most depraved book is.
 
Acid08 said:
Alrighty, thank you! Where should I go from there with his writings? What are seen as the essential writings. Also would like to know what his weirdest, most depraved book is.
weirdest is arguable. depraved is a word that doesnt really work imo.

lovecraft's personal favorite was i think 'The Color out of Space," followed by 'The Music of Eric Zahn.' maybe the other way around. Other ones that are awesome: 'The Shadow over Innsmouth,' 'At the Mountains of Madness,' I'm having trouble remembering some of the titles since its been a while since I read most of it.
 

Combichristoffersen

Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
How are they with explanatory notes? I think why I go with the Penguin Classics ones are the fact that S.T. Joshi did them and they really are expansive with writing history, further reading and the notes themselves. It's like a Special Edition of the stories! Still the OED is never a bad idea.

There aren't any explanatary notes per se in the Omnibus collections, besides each volume having a short introduction (3-5 pages) with details and info on the stories in that volume. But if you're just out to pick up a collection of Lovecraft stories for cheap, they do the job :lol

Acid08 said:
Alrighty, thank you! Where should I go from there with his writings? What are seen as the essential writings. Also would like to know what his weirdest, most depraved book is.

Lovecraft didn't really write any books, he wrote mostly short stories, a few novels and a couple of poems. As for weirdest and most depraved.. I don't know, really. But 'The Rats in the Walls' is an interesting story, as it's not so much about the Old Ones as it's about depraved, deranged humans and what they could do to other human beings.
 
I love tentacled monstrosities, unknowable horrors, cults, and wanton sanity loss, but the one element(the core of Lovecraftian horror, really) that I dislike is "humanity is fucked, the best anyone can do is delay the inevitable for a little bit and at a horrible price."

I prefer filtered Lovecraft, like Evangelion, where humanity only has a 99.99999...% chance of being fucked.
 
Combichristoffersen said:
There aren't any explanatary notes per se in the Omnibus collections, besides each volume having a short introduction (3-5 pages) with details and info on the stories in that volume. But if you're just out to pick up a collection of Lovecraft stories for cheap, they do the job :lol

That was the funny thing. These were the cheap editions, $10.99 USD. I got really lucky in that. I would highly recommend seeking those ones out. They are also the definitive corrected texts, some of the other editions apparently use incorrect texts (its mentioned in the introductions).
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0141182342/?tag=neogaf0e-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0142437956/?tag=neogaf0e-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0142180033/?tag=neogaf0e-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0812974417/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Wellington said:
I'd been looking to get into Lovecraft for sometime, I will use this as a springboard! Thanks!
If you have the time or ability to listen at work. I highly recommend grabbing the free audio books I mentioned in the OP.
 

Phthisis

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I actually just finished reading Penguin's The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories anthology. Call of Cthulhu is a great story, but for my money, The Shadow Over Innsmouth is the best one of his that I've read. Also like The Color Out of Space

Currently trying to get through The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, but it starts really slow.
 

Hilbert

Deep into his 30th decade
fredrancour said:
weirdest is arguable. depraved is a word that doesnt really work imo.

lovecraft's personal favorite was i think 'The Color out of Space," followed by 'The Music of Eric Zahn.' maybe the other way around. Other ones that are awesome: 'The Shadow over Innsmouth,' 'At the Mountains of Madness,' I'm having trouble remembering some of the titles since its been a while since I read most of it.

Yea, these are the basics. Some of my personal favorites would also include: The Temple, Polaris, In the Walls of Eryx, Pickmans Model(Essential), The Whisperer in the Darkness, and the Outsider.

Edit: Oh, and to warn you, as you read these you may realize something. Yes Lovecraft was pretty racist. It sucks, as he should have known better, but it is something you will come across now and again.
 

Combichristoffersen

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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
That was the funny thing. These were the cheap editions, $10.99 USD. I got really lucky in that. I would highly recommend seeking those ones out. They are also the definitive corrected texts, some of the other editions apparently use incorrect texts (its mentioned in the introductions).
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0141182342/?tag=neogaf0e-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0142437956/?tag=neogaf0e-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0142180033/?tag=neogaf0e-20

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0812974417/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Interesting. I'll look into those, as there are a few Lovecraft stories that aren't included in the Omnibus volumes :D

Phthisis said:
I actually just finished reading Penguin's The Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories anthology. Call of Cthulhu is a great story, but for my money, The Shadow Over Innsmouth is the best one of his that I've read. Also like The Color Out of Space

Currently trying to get through The Case of Charles Dexter Ward, but it starts really slow.

Charles Dexter Ward has a slow start, yeah, but it's a great story. Slight spoiler:
The spirit that appears towards the very end of the story is heavily hinted to be none other than Merlin, the Arthurian magician :lol

Edit: Also, if you're just starting to get into Lovecraft, stay away from the Dreamlands stories until you've read some of his material, as the Dreamlands stuff usually leans more towards fantasy than the cosmic horror Lovecraft is known for.
 

Phthisis

Member
I'm also a big fan of his Dunsanian work. Celephais and The Quest of Iranon have some fantasticly beautiful imagery in them.
 

DKehoe

Member
Read Call of Cthulu recently but found his racism (which was beyond what was typical at the time) pretty off putting.
 

Fritz

Member
Shadows over Innsmouth and the Thing on the Doorstep are my personal favourites. I'ld also recommend them as starting points for his work.
 

Hilbert

Deep into his 30th decade
DKehoe said:
Read Call of Cthulu recently but found his racism (which was beyond what was typical at the time) pretty off putting.

I think it is his story "Horror at red hook" that is nearly unreadable because of it. It is pretty bad.
 
DKehoe said:
Read Call of Cthulu recently but found his racism (which was beyond what was typical at the time) pretty off putting.

You get used to it eventually. I mean I love "Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family," and that's full of racism.
 

Cyan

Banned
Hilbert said:
Edit: Oh, and to warn you, as you read these you may realize something. Yes Lovecraft was pretty racist. It sucks, as he should have known better, but it is something you will come across now and again.
Yeah. I almost hesitate to mention it to new readers, because it can make you go looking for it, but he was really damn racist.
 

Combichristoffersen

Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Hilbert said:
I think it is his story "Horror at red hook" that is nearly unreadable because of it. It is pretty bad.

I need to read 'Red Hook' again, I can't remember what it was like, but I've always known of it, that it was supposed to be absolutely disgusting due to his racism. One of the slightly more innocent products of his racism was the black cat in 'The Rats in the Walls', named 'Nigger-man', after a cat Lovecraft actually owned at one time.
 

Hilbert

Deep into his 30th decade
Combichristoffersen said:
I need to read 'Red Hook' again, I can't remember what it was like, but I've always known of it, that it was supposed to be absolutely disgusting due to his racism. One of the slightly more innocent products of his racism was the black cat in 'The Rats in the Walls', named 'Nigger-man', after a cat Lovecraft actually owned at one time.

I may be off here, but I think naming pets some varient of 'Nigger' was not uncommon. I have read it in several other books, but the one that is coming to mind is the family in "Kingsblood Royal" by Sinclair Lewis. They had a dog called that I think.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
I like Rats in the Walls and the one about the violin player best.

I like the "core" stories as well, but those two stand alone stories are just fantastic.

And yeah, dude is all kinds of crazy racist..
 

TwiztidElf

Member
I really enjoy "The color out of space" and "Shadow over Innsmouth".
I also enjoy the film Dagun - great re-imagining of Innsmouth.
 

StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
TwiztidElf said:
I really enjoy "The color out of space"

Ah yes, that's the one. Really creepy.

Most of his "core" stories seemed too caught up in pushing the overall mythology of the great old ones for me to find it creepy. I know they were ground breaking, but there is something about the more personal stories that really makes them stick in my head a lot more than the large expeditions or team of scientists fighting invisible monsters.

edit: damnit, no it's not the one. That's the one about the meteor and the family that goes crazy or whatever. I'm thinking of the music of zahn or some such.
 
My favorite stories are The Colour Out of Space, Rats in the Walls, and The Music of Erich Zann (all non-Cthulhu) and from the Cthulhu cycle At the Mountains of Madness and The Shadow out of Time.

In my opinion the best short Lovecraft collection is this volume, Tales of H. P. Lovecraft
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which has a nice cover by Mike Mignola. It has all the best horror tales and Cthulhu works that I listed above(many collections omit The Shadow Out of Time). What it lacks is anything from the dream cycle.


A more comprehensive collection with a more distinguished appearance is the Library of America edition of his tales, though this too omits the dream cycle entirely.


The dream cycle can be found in Dreams of Terror and Death: The Dream Cycle of H. P. Lovecraft, though since many of these are shorter they can fairly comfortably be read online. The dream cycle is his earliest body of work, of a very different character than his horror works, with the stories mostly myths in the vein of Dunsany(that far surpass Dunsany). The main exception is his The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath, which is an adventure novel.

Some short dream cycle works you can read online:
Celephais
Polaris
Azathoth
Nyarlathotep
 
I'm no Lovecraft scholar and am pretty much just parroting people more knowledgeable than myself, but I believe "racist" isn't the most accurate label for Lovecraft.

"Racism" implies hate, but Lovecraft wasn't so much hateful as he was pants-shittingly terrified.

leroy hacker said:
especially if you are going, at the end, to produce an invisible whistling octopus
:lol
 
And for an amusing contrary viewpoint, here is Edmund Wilson (ironically the father of The Library of America) on Lovecraft:

Edmund Wilson said:
One of Lovecraft's worst faults is his incessant effort to work up the expectations of the reader by sprinkling his stories with such adjectives as 'horrible,' 'terrible,' 'frightful,' 'awesome,' 'eerie,' 'weird,' 'forbidden,' 'unhallowed,' 'unholy,' 'blasphemous,' 'hellish,' and 'infernal.' Surely one of the primary rules for writing an effective tale of horror is never to use any of these words--especially if you are going, at the end, to produce an invisible whistling octopus

On the other hand, even Wilson found merit in The Colour Out of Space and The Shadow Out of Time, as well as Lovecraft's essay Supernatural Horror in Literature.
 

Combichristoffersen

Combovers don't work when there is no hair
KO Traveling Hobo said:
I'm no Lovecraft scholar and am pretty much just parroting people more knowledgeable than myself, but I believe "racist" isn't the most accurate label for Lovecraft.

"Racism" implies hate, but Lovecraft wasn't so much hateful as he was pants-shittingly terrified.

There's a bit of both, I'd say. He was certainly a racist, but his racism was, as you refer to, partially based on his xenophobia (it was also a result of his anglophilia, and his general distrust and dislike of anyone who weren't 'proper Englishmen' so to say). Lovecraft was a complicated person, and his racism wasn't as simple as the 'dey tuk er jerbs' racism often found today.
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
I'm no Lovecraft scholar and am pretty much just parroting people more knowledgeable than myself, but I believe "racist" isn't the most accurate label for Lovecraft.

"Racism" implies hate, but Lovecraft wasn't so much hateful as he was pants-shittingly terrified.
From what I posted in the gaming thread

I like how one author in the documentary Lovecraft: Fear of the Unknown put it. He felt that Lovecraft was essentially acting out in an adolescence way to the Red Hook section of Brooklyn and the diversity of it. I do think he believed his views, but I suspect they dissipated over time (from which there is evidence such as the German Jew story, of Lovecraft being horrified of her tales of how the Jews were treated in Germany). This event occured far later on in his life.

One (unintentionally) humorous explanation is that Lovecraft was essentially trolling other people:
Sprague de Camp also says that Lovecraft enjoyed getting a rise out of people he considered his intellectual inferiors by stating in a deadpan manner whatever he thought would offend them the most, and suggests that at least some reports of Lovecraft's racism derived from this practice.

I think it was most likely a mix of the two.
 

Imbarkus

As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
leroy hacker said:
The Shadow out of Time

I also really enjoyed the "Shadow out of Time" and am surprised not to find more folks mentioning it. "Colour out of Space" is also very good, and I have shamefully, at times, mixed the two titles together.
 
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