-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Hackers can unban themselves and ban you from PSN.
- Thread starter Tiduz
- Start date
- Status
Yeah its a large number but who would run an attack like this. mad slow yo! lol . My grandma would not even run an attack like this.Alts said:
I agree randomly running through is not going to work( i did not see the size initially). Lets just hope they can't find legit ones some other way.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Yeah, for the rest I was saying pretty much the same in one of the previous posts, I agree there.iam220 said:
Alts said:
It's no use, people will believe a fake picture over your proof because they want to believe it. It's not much different then Bill O'reilly thinking the tides are controlled by God, but we know it's actually the moon.
I say let the insanity go on and sit back and laugh.
No one should be worried until your console gets banned and you were innocent. The truth of the matter is there is nothing you can do about it. Same as if amazon got hacked and your credit card info got leaked. As a user there is nothing you can do. Just keep it moving.
I know i don't care but I do like talking security.
I know i don't care but I do like talking security.
Noshino said:
Actually, by even suggesting that they can do this, the hackers have now reversed any kind of goodwill and support that others may have had for them so far. This actually paints them as a bunch of selfish assholes who just want the fame and the fun of making others miserable so they can do whatever they want. Those who didn't want to see them go to jail may actually want them to see thrown to jail for good long while now.
Proteus IV
Member
I still feel like either this thread needs to be locked or the OP and title changed to show that this is mainly fear mongering BS from unreliable sources.
Duane Cunningham
Member
Deep in my bones, I can feel a Kotaku writer reading this thread RIGHT NOW.
plagiarize
Banned
sure, if you think these are the same exact people, but that's like presuming that everyone with CFW is a pirate, and that everyone on GAF is a sony fanboy.Replicant said:
some hackers opened up the PS3. some hackers might have found a way to ban other people from PSN.
unless those two groups of hackers are the same, you shouldn't, logically, reconsider your opinion of the first group based on the actions of the second.
it's sort of like saying 'egyptians raped a reporter' and then 'egyptians save a reporter from being raped'. we aren't talking about the same egyptians... and neither action says anything about egyptians overall.
Danielsan said:
Xbox Live and Microsoft Points are essentially hack proof because the possible combination of letters and numbers is so large that it's a 36 digit number. You couldn't even begin to brute force something that big.
Are PS3 console ID's as obtuse and as long as those DLC numbers? Or do PS3 console ID's follow a more regular pattern that would make a brute force solution very easy?
RustyNails
Member
How did this happen? Don't you need super admin status to ban other systems? I'm bamboozled at this turn of events.
Alts said:
Doesn't this also assume that Sony will be banning consoles the moment a compromised system touches PSN? I don't see any reason they'd have to do it that way, they could apply further diligence in finding out if that ID actually belongs to a PS3. Hell, they could do it the way MS used to do it and run a ban-wave only at certain intervals, which would give them a better chance to apply heuristics to find fakes.
Proteus IV
Member
It didn't happen, it's BS.RustyNails said:
Who are the hackers?
It really isn't very productive to start lumping together people like that, it's about as correct as saying GAFers never have sex. There are a lot of people with different goals and abilities.
Edit:Responding to replicants post, but beaten by a mile by plagiarize
It really isn't very productive to start lumping together people like that, it's about as correct as saying GAFers never have sex. There are a lot of people with different goals and abilities.
Edit:Responding to replicants post, but beaten by a mile by plagiarize
plagiarize said:
It doesn't matter. Humans are not wired to do logical thinking when they feel threatened. Basically to most people, all they know is that a bunch of hackers try to ruin their fun just because these hackers want to do whatever they want. It is actually in the interest of other hackers to prevent this because it's not helping them in any way.
George Claw M.D.
Member
Let's think of it another way, and assume this is easily doable, and hackers can spoof legitimate console ids and match them up with the correct mac addresses, with 100% success. In that case, I'd think Sony would just stop banning consoles, with no reliable way to distinguish hackers from legitimate users. Why ban consoles, if hackers can easily unban themselves, while unintentional banning of legitimate users will just lead to customer support headaches and possible lawsuits? Of course, PSN will be run amok with hackers and cheaters, but that's the consequence.
Proteus IV
Member
No they can't this is all theoretical and, judging by the math in this thread, as close to impossible as you can get.darkwing said:
APZonerunner
Member
Holy shit. This is crazy.
PetriP-TNT
Member
My dads friend works at Sony and she said that Sony starts counting the guids from zero so you only need 50 ms * 47 million to ban all consoles
George Claw M.D. said:
I think this is what the hackers want Sony to think so Sony wouldn't ban them. So it's now up to Sony to increase their security and make sure they don't ban the wrong people. Multiple identification of a console and cross-reference checking must be done before banning.
Proteus IV
Member
George Claw M.D. said:
Exactly, best case scenario, this is all BS, worst case scenario Sony works on new ways to ban ps3 hackers without collateral damage after seeing the coming ban wave backfire...
Proteus IV
Member
Subject is false.darkwing said:
I don't.Replicant said:
It would be incredibly stupid to make a rash generalization on a large group of people with very different motives ("the hackers") based solely on this device if in fact it does exist for multiple reasons.
What country does this guy live in? Perhaps we should start a crusade against them, too. I'll get my torch and pitchfork.
Proteus IV said:
There's no banwave backfire. What we have so far are people who are rightfully banned pretending that they don't know why they were banned in the first place. Unconvincingly. Like by acting that their brother/friend/cousins/neighbor/fuckbuddy, etc just borrowed their console and all of a sudden it's not working.
And also:
Quixzlizx said:
Pretty much.
MThanded said:
I agree. From what I've read, this is a 'theory' that hasn't even been shown to even be possible at this point. There are no workable tools and furthermore, it definitely can't use just a random number to try to brute force it, because there has already been a console id spoofer released that fails authentication to PSN when using a random call/answer. There are way too many variables out there, and unless you are going around giving your console id # to other people (or had it picked up via a script for example included in a custom firmware you previously downloaded), there's 0 chance of this working.
Valkyr Junkie
Member
Proteus IV said:
So you're saying there's a chance?
- Status