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Halo 3 Bonus disc troubles

"maybe only the australian version has the remastered in HD cinematics"

"You'll also get the Legendary Edition disc, including remastered, high-res versions of the Halo and Halo 2 cinematics; an expanded digital "Bestiarum" guide to the creatures and cultures of Halo 3; The Cortana Chronicles; and exclusive machinima episodes."

Nope US too. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/h/halo3/gamedetailpage.htm. Thought I heard they were hi res somewhere...
 
High-res does not equal "High Def". If the content was in HD, you would need the HD add-on for the 360 to even watch it.
 
Stinkles said:
The cutscenes were remastered, the pop-in reduced and they were output as as high resolution TIFFs one frame at a time to improve the quality over the originals.
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I wouldn't mind downloading these.

Yes, downloading.

I don't even want a new disk from microsoft, just put the raw ones up somewhere and i will download them.

Or apply proper compression on them, not the same thing used on the DVDs.
 
Stinkles said:
The cutscenes were remastered, the pop-in reduced and they were output as as high resolution TIFFs one frame at a time to improve the quality over the originals
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So why do they look worse than the originals?

Stinkles said:
They were not, contrary to popular internets remastered in "HD" and this was always advertised as a DVD disc, which obviously can't play HD content anyway.
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They were NOT advertised as DVD disc on retailers sites.

"Legendary Edition includes two bonus discs of extra content and a collectible replica of a Spartan Mjolnir Mark VI helmet with display stand
Bonus discs include behind-the-scenes features, a making-of documentary, remastered cinematic content from Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 with director commentaries and more"
-BestBuy

"You'll also get the Legendary Edition disc, including remastered, high-res versions of the Halo and Halo 2 cinematics; an expanded digital "Bestiarum" guide to the creatures and cultures of Halo 3; The Cortana Chronicles; and exclusive machinima episodes."
-Walmart

Stinkles said:
Apologies to folks feeling ripped off, but the false advertising claims are well, false.
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Apology not accepted. Its not our fault. Either there was communication dropped with Bungie/MS and retailers, or you guys were straight up deceptive.

Stinkles said:
Watch the remastered ones side by side with the originals to see how much they've been improved.
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I have. They're worse.

Stinkles said:
And hopefully folks can see past our old school graphics and listen to the commentary, which is the important part of that content anyway.
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That's an awfully high price tag you guys attached for witty commentary.
 
railGUN said:
High-res does not equal "High Def". If the content was in HD, you would need the HD add-on for the 360 to even watch it.
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No you wouldn't. Do you play all your 360 games on an HD add on?
 
railGUN said:
High-res does not equal "High Def". If the content was in HD, you would need the HD add-on for the 360 to even watch it.
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No.
Granted, it IS a normal DVD disc, because they're lazy, but they could have easily put compressed HD media onto a normal DL DVD for playback only in a 360.
 
Stinkles said:
The cutscenes were remastered, the pop-in reduced and they were output as as high resolution TIFFs one frame at a time to improve the quality over the originals

They were not, contrary to popular internets remastered in "HD" and this was always advertised as a DVD disc, which obviously can't play HD content anyway.

Apologies to folks feeling ripped off, but the false advertising claims are well, false.

Watch the remastered ones side by side with the originals to see how much they've been improved.

And hopefully folks can see past our old school graphics and listen to the commentary, which is the important part of that content anyway.
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I don't want to be a dick, but look at the cut scenes running straight from your 360 (aka upscaled to 720p) and check how much better they look. Maybe the original cut scenes in the original Xbox didn't look as good, but Halo 3 is a 360 game, meaning that anybody can play the original games at 720p and watch better looking cutscenes. You are right, the commentary is sweet and I feel that I am getting way more that what I paid for, but when I heard "remastered cut scenes" I was truly hoping for something better. I was misguided by the word "remastered". As you say, its not false advertisement, but I just wish I would had not had high hopes for it.

The Faceless Master said:
pics or it didnt happen right?

it could be a game disk or a WMV-HD disk and play HD just fine, the only thing you need the HD-DVD addon for is HD-DVD disks.
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Waits for stinkles to say that hi-res could also mean upscaled....
 
The Faceless Master said:
pics or it didnt happen right?

it could be a game disk or a WMV-HD disk and play HD just fine, the only thing you need the HD-DVD addon for is HD-DVD disks.
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You're right, I concede that point... however the fact remains that high-res isn't high def, so regardless of what the content is on, or how it plays, it wasn't stated (as far as I can tell) to be High-Def.

I didn't buy the legendary edition (dont have a cat), nor am I all that crazy about Halo... Just sayin there's a difference between the two terms.
 
To be honest, I always thought that the remastered cut scenes would be in something like WMV HD instead of MPEG-2. Personally I wouldn't call DVDs 'high resolution'. Maybe someone could capture the PC versions for HD cutscenes.
 
yeah I mean isn't Halo 1 and 2 backward compatible with xbox 360, and 720p?

I don't get why they couldn't have high res content on an xbox 360 disc, seems a no brainer to me. Did that 360 bonus disk get filled to capacity? If so why not make disc 2 also a 360 disc (rather than a DVD).

its like bungie got involved with all the bonus content like dev commentaries and then they gave the job of the halo 1/2 cinematics to an intern.
 
TemplaerDude said:
why are you so bitter v0yce. it's a fucking remastered high res version of old cut scenes. not the bloody magna carta.
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Because I paid $130?

Because they made it a bullet point about the "remastered, high-res" cutscenes?
 
cleveridea said:
I don't get why they couldn't have high res content on an xbox 360 disc, seems a no brainer to me. Did that 360 bonus disk get filled to capacity? If so why not make disc 2 also a 360 disc (rather than a DVD).
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Actually, by making it a standard DVD, it would take up MORE room. Compressing to WMV-HD and setting it up for playback only on the 360 would take up LESS room.
 
Dark Octave said:
I guess this is another reason to save your money and simply go with the regular edition. First disk scratching, now this...
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No helmet or tin metal box on the regular edition.

Though choice.
 
I'm truly having an incredible time playing the game, but it's quite ridiculous that they couldn't make another Xbox executable disc containing WMV HD formatted cutscenes for those cinematics. Specially, when you consider the $130 price. Essentially, you are paying $60 more for that disc, the cat helmet, but without the art book, or tin case.
 
IJoel said:
I'm truly having an incredible time playing the game, but it's quite ridiculous that they couldn't make another Xbox executable disc containing WMV HD formatted cutscenes for those cinematics. Specially, when you consider the $130 price. Essentially, you are paying $60 more for that disc, the cat helmet, but without the art book, or tin case.
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I'm sorry to say that the helmet is the only thing worth anything in the Legendary Edition. The extras DVD is not good, it doesn't have a metal box...

Well... that's a lie.. The stand for the helmet is also really good.

The extras xbox-dvd looks good tho, but i'm not watching that before ending the game.. not spoiling myself.. :)
 
No offense to stinkles, but I have a regular SD TV, and I played through Halo 1 completely 4 days ago. I watched the first ten minutes on the LE disc, it looks like crap. Saying it looks better than the original is a flat out lie, and I wish I had some way of taking good screencaps to prove it.
 
Dark Octave said:
I guess this is another reason to save your money and simply go with the regular edition. First disk scratching, now this...
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At least with the disc scratching I can hope it was an unforseen problem and simply a mistake that they are already taking responsibility for by offering replacements.

But this just seems dishonest. And having someone come in here and say, "Sorry, but you should have know it was just a DVD," doesn't help.

There's no way that disc got out the door withough someone watching it, and if anyone at Bungie went out and bought a "remastered, high-res" version of one of their favorite films and recieved this kind of quality compared to the original, they'd feel cheated.
 
I wasn't expecting anything hugely different. I've seen all the cutscenes before in the game, and it's not like they were going to be changed much. I wanted that disc for the commentary. Looking at it, it doesn't look bad. YouTube quality? My ass. They fixed pop in and that was my only main concern. The commentary is what it's about.
 
Sorry it's off-topic, but does anyone know why the packaging said to put the game disc in before the bonus discs? Is there a special download that you can get or is just to avoid spoilers?
 
drizzle said:
No helmet or tin metal box on the regular edition.

Though choice.
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Trust me the tin case is nothing to write home about. Its extremely flimsy soda can like. The hard plastic it came in seems more durable. Nothing like the Gears of War case.
 
RumpledForeskin said:
Trust me the tin case is nothing to write home about. Its extremely flimsy soda can like. The hard plastic it came in seems more durable. Nothing like the Gears of War case.
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Yeah the tin case feels really cheap. I would much rather have the regular DVD case than the metal case the Limited Edition comes in.
 
railGUN said:
You're right, I concede that point... however the fact remains that high-res isn't high def, so regardless of what the content is on, or how it plays, it wasn't stated (as far as I can tell) to be High-Def.

I didn't buy the legendary edition (dont have a cat), nor am I all that crazy about Halo... Just sayin there's a difference between the two terms.
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how is it 'high res' when that's the same res the game ran at on Xbox?

740x480 was 'high res' was back in PSX days when most games ran at 320x240
 
The Faceless Master said:
how is it 'high res' when that's the same res the game ran at on Xbox?

740x480 was 'high res' was back in PSX days when most games ran at 320x240
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Clearly, it's high res compared with VHS!
 
The Faceless Master said:
how is it 'high res' when that's the same res the game ran at on Xbox?

740x480 was 'high res' was back in PSX days when most games ran at 320x240
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I don't know man... I don't work for Bungie, Stinkles can answer that better. My guess is it's more a marketing phrase than a technical one. Again, I'm not saying people who are disappointed don't have a point/case, just pointing out the fact that high res and high def are different terms, with the latter having some defined (sort of) standards (ie. above 480p to be high def etc.)

You'd think it would be bigger than 720x480 for the "res" to be "higher" but by avoiding that "HD" term, they've probably played it safe?
 
railGUN said:
That right there is some false advertising IMO (on futureshop's part).
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No, because that's how Bungie/MS sold it. They told retailers that was in the package. They told all of us that.
 
You could argue that it is "high res" maybe if it was anamorphic widescreen, but the fact that it's shitty matted out 4:3 is a bad deal.
 
railGUN said:
High-res does not equal "High Def". If the content was in HD, you would need the HD add-on for the 360 to even watch it.
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Completely false. The Xbox 360's operating system can read hi-definition files. I don't have a HD-DVD add-on, yet I can download and watch hi-definition movies from the marketplace. Why? Because those files are encoded in a high-definition format that the 360 recognizes. But the files are very large.. the Halo vids would have to be heavily compressed or use up multiple DVDs.
 
yeah, Frankie's own posting on Bungie.net said:

Halo Cinematics Reloaded – completely remastered, hi-res versions of the Halo and Halo 2 cinematics with 5.1 audio and complete with optional “Director’s Commentary” track featuring Marty O’Donnell, Joseph Staten and Jason Jones.
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http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=12531

i guess it's our fault for assuming high-res remastered versions meant they would actually be better looking.

EDIT: and yeah, you can play high definition content off a CD-r or DVD-R on the 360. the only reason they wouldn't do it is if people wanted to watch on a regular DVD player.
 
bill0527 said:
Completely false. The Xbox 360's operating system can read hi-definition files. I don't have a HD-DVD add-on, yet I can download and watch hi-definition movies from the marketplace. Why? Because those files are encoded in a high-definition format that the 360 recognizes. But the files are very large.. the Halo vids would have to be heavily compressed or use up multiple DVDs.
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I conceded that point in the middle of the page. I'm not stupid, I know the 360 can play HD, I do own one, I was wrong stating that it would have to be on an HD-DVD, it didn't occur to me they could have the content on regular DVD's and it still be HD.

This doesn't change the fact, that high res and high def are not the same.
 
Did anyone who spent $129.99 for a video game actually believe they would end up with their money's worth? A game from Microsoft, the same people who brought us such value-added products as Vista Ultimate?

W. C. Fields said:
There's a sucker born every minute.
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DeadTrees said:
Did anyone who spent $129.99 for a video game actually believe they would end up with their money's worth? A game from Microsoft, the same people who brought us such value-added products as Vista Ultimate?
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That's completely unnecessary.
 
The DVD looks like poopy. The "remastered" DVD was the only thing that made me buy the Legendary edition because I thought I was getting something that would look better than actually playing the game again on my XBOX. WTF? I'm thinking about selling it now.

Love the game to death, but I feel totally shitty about my choice of editions now.
 
Bungie is rolling in the cash. They dont care if they screwed over the customers. They can just play up denial since so many people bought it. They figure they can sleep easy since there are always gonna be complainers, unfortunately for them that doesnt excuse their piss quality.
 
Production quality (the way they show some gameplay between scenes) is good. Visuals suck as many have posted.

Would be nice to see Bungie offer downloadable HD versions on XBL for Legendary owners.. (you listening Bungie!?).
 
So, the Limited got some kind of art book right, content that Legendary was getting on a disc? Did that ever happen?
 
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