plagiarize
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who has been saying they didn't upgrade their engine at all? we've just been saying that even at the time they came out that previous Bungie 360 games didn't get the same reaction to their graphics that Halo 4 is getting.
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Halo 4 development is complete + New Screens (Spoiler)
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who has been saying they didn't upgrade their engine at all? we've just been saying that even at the time they came out that previous Bungie 360 games didn't get the same reaction to their graphics that Halo 4 is getting.
Windom Earle
Member
Footage looks ok, but can't compare to the theater bullshots. It was passed off as ingame to me in the thread a few months ago and I was skinned alive for doubting that.
Halo looked great at the time. Halo 3 had some incredible lighting regardless of the resolution. They wrote the entire codebase for all of the Halo games, introduced multiplayer theater, great AI, great netcode, etc. I don't think they have anything to be embarassed about.
Phonomezer
Banned
So, what happened to this?
Those new screenshots do not seem to live up to them. I can't find the old gifs at the moment, but they were cleary on another level. What do you guys find impressive about the new footage?
Looks awesome.
It's like this ad, if you say chocolate is Halo's world and conventions and the peanut butter is Metroid-inspired art design: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJLDF6qZUX0
Can't wait.
It's like this ad, if you say chocolate is Halo's world and conventions and the peanut butter is Metroid-inspired art design: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJLDF6qZUX0
Can't wait.
plagiarize
Banned
okay? whatever man.
Check out the "A Hero Awakens" video. Don't know why you would care about what other people think though, you know you don't have to prove anybody wrong right?
Windom Earle
Member
Those definitely capture the spirit of the theater shots much better, yes. It would be nice if the final game had that amazing dof from the theater shots. For the iq we shouldn't delude ourselved, the game will have jaggies, good old 360 is no PC. Same goes for the ground texture on the second shot.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Would it? 'Cause I actually like seeing what I'm looking at, heh. Though yes, naturally the game won't be as jagged-free as represented here; weird how many people still get fooled by such things even still.
plagiarize
Banned
why would you want to see a DOF effect like that in gameplay?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3KLtf8DzCU&feature=player_detailpage#t=367s
It was pushed more into the foreground for the shot, but was still in-engine.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
IIRC they said it was a filter (when people complained about the overuse of DoF when those pics originally appeared - can't please everyone, lol).
Windom Earle
Member
There are great gameplay implementations of DOF, like in Cyris or Uncharted. (E.g. aiming down the sights)
SomeOneInaHat
Member
Halo:CE, Halo 2, and Reach all were Techniclly impressive games for their times. Enemy counts, scale, and Industry rewards for particle effect technologies. Not to also forget that advancements in network infristructure were also key milestones stemed from the "Bungie Era" of Halo games.
And now for the topical post...
Halo 4 looks beautiful, but this means it's a time for celebration not prior game degradation.
And now for the topical post...
Halo 4 looks beautiful, but this means it's a time for celebration not prior game degradation.
higherARC05
Banned
Not for a HALO game where clear sight is important. Also aiming down sights? Do you see aiming down sights in this game?
Please stop posting here. You make no sense in you rumblings.
Ein Soph Aur
Member
I'm just going to say no matter what the game look phenomenal regardless of the platform. It's beautiful in motion and doing this on 7 year old hardware makes me wet with what 343i is going to be able to do on the Xbox 720.
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Damn you, OP I didn't have plans on getting this game. Now I must, Damn you. Reach was supposed to be my last Halo game.
diffusionx
Gold Member
This game looks great, is it the first 360 game with 64xAA?
AstroNut325
Member
F***... this game looks awesome beyond words!
Only difference I've noticed is that you don't see the black borders of the visor in multiplayer, but yeah (I think some of the blue lines are less pronounced, too).
Going by how you analyze graphics, I don't think it's safe for you to assume anything. =p
Blindness, ignorance, lack of awareness/knowledge, bias, varying opinions, or just overall lack of appealing art? There are endless explanations why people see what they see. I'll be the first to admit that Reach did not have the most appealing art direction with the more muted colors and such. However comparing how GAF breaks down graphics to how a developer does the same, it's clear to me that some people here have a hard time considering the bigger picture when looking at a game technically. I'm not even remotely saying I know everything or more than everyone, but I tend to pay close attention to how the experts look at these things.
From a technology stand point, Reach does many of the same effects as other high end console games. So what's left at that point, art direction maybe? Maybe lack of effects being shoved right in the player's face? I'm not sure since that would be a discussion based on individual preference and opinion.
Not sure how you can some to the conclusion that Halo 4 would look better if they created an engine from scratch. If that were really the case, don't you think they would have gone with that direction?
Also, I'm having a hard time figuring out what shooters on the 360 looked better than Reach when it launched. Halo 3 and ODST, I can understand, but Reach really did a whole lot at the time compared to other shooters on the system.
I really don't care what the masses think since many times an opinion at large is flawed. It's interesting to discuss how people come to form their opinion, but I don't see that as fact.
Again I think people had lower expectations for Halo 4, plus the fresh art team, and those two factors contributed to the impressions we see with Halo 4.
I can't see it because there's no reason for it. I even specifically remember a tweet from someone at 343i around the time Halo 4 was first shown where they thanks Bungie and said they couldn't be where they are without the work they did (or at least something along those lines).
I have no issue giving any studio credit, but to downplay other studios when giving said credit, it's rarely warranted. I think the guys at 343i would be happy to be compared to Bungie and I would even bet my account that they would agree with my line of thinking more so than people here who are downplaying Bungie's efforts. We don't know where Bungie is today with their current gen tech, so there's no way to say definitively how they compare to 343i.
And I'm not saying your opinion is wrong per se and I'm not arguing or thinking you're trolling by any means. I just don't think people are giving Bungie a fair shake, especially since we haven't seen their work in 2 years.
So what was underwhelming? Was it the enemies with nice poly counts, texture resolution, detail maps? Was it the use of HDR and deferred lighting? The 30+ enemies that can fill an encounter? I can keep going.
Or did the slight sub-HD resolution and some ghosting make you miss everything else the game is doing correctly?
It was passed as ingame because outside of the bump in resolution, it was created ingame. Yes they were bullshots, but everything else is still present in the game.
plagiarize
Banned
DOF makes a lot more sense when i'm not supposed to be seeing the world through human eyes. at no point during gameplay do i want to see such a heavy camera esque DOF effect as seen in those model shots.
a very good DOF is seen in a lot of cutscenes in the game. i can't tell if it's the exact same one, but it's in there where appropriate.
Windom Earle
Member
Sorry for discussing graphics in a screenshot thread. And I doubt that the DOF would not make sense in the game, it could be implemented similarly to Uncharted. Aiming down the sights is not possible, but zooming. Just check out Crysis to see a great implementation of it. It does not take away any clear sight. Also I was expecting good dof, when it was previously shown in bullshots that were advertised as ingame.
Yeah, I just started looking at more of the shots and noticed the same. It's a bit of a shame, but still glad it exists in Campaign. Should make it a little more unique from the MP, I suppose.
i dont get why the halo threads are always calling out Bungie. They made great Halo games, and their next game will likely destroy Halo.
shinobi602
Member
fuuuuuuuuuuck.
Said it before, will say it again. GOTFY.
Said it before, will say it again. GOTFY.
I think it's probably a good idea to keep the screen a little cleaner in MP, plus you'll be using different helmets so it doesn't really make sense to have Master Chief's visor outlines all the time.
It does look great in Campaign though
I'm pretty sure those shots had tons of DOF because they were showing off what the in-game engine was capable of doing in real-time. Ultimately its 343's artistic direction that dictates when such an effect is needed (in this case they've reserved it for cutscenes). However, you judging the quality of the game's graphics based on DOF, or the lack thereof, doesn't make that much sense.
Crysis 2 is a very good looking game on both 360 and ps3. I know they showed DOF in the early videos but there was no indication that it was part of the single player campaign. Maybe they'll use it in cutscenes. Either way it's not a big deal to me, I don't feel duped over the lack of blur filter.
shinobi602
Member
Building an engine from scratch takes a lot of time and manpower. It already took 343 about 3 years and change to finish this game. Adding the time needed to create an engine from nothing would've prolonged that by 2 years probably.
Cost to performance ratio wasn't worth it.
GlamFM
Banned
I don´t count polygons or enemies or pixels or whatever. I just look at the screen and decide if I think it looks good or bad.
I my ( crazy ) theory a game could have infinite amount of everything and still look bad.
There are things like art direction and design you should really get into.
It's very possible 343i has been building the next gen halo engine for the past few years already, concurrent to the Halo 4 development.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Building a new engine "from scratch" is a waste of time in 99% of cases. It's just what fanboys want to hear so developers tell them they are doing it (or, stupidly, actually do it).
Usually what ends up happening is that you end up losing all this built-in knowledge and have to go fix the same bugs somebody else fixed 5 years ago.
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html
edit: BTW Eurogamer has a new article, Halo on the next system will not be using a new engine, so there you go. 343 Interactive is smart.
Usually what ends up happening is that you end up losing all this built-in knowledge and have to go fix the same bugs somebody else fixed 5 years ago.
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html
edit: BTW Eurogamer has a new article, Halo on the next system will not be using a new engine, so there you go. 343 Interactive is smart.
GlamFM
Banned
Please explain yourself.
shinobi602
Member
Well yes, I'm sure the next gen Halo game will come on a new engine, but I'm sure Microsoft has devoted a separate special team for that (may very well be part of 343 possibly), but for Halo 4 they probably felt it was too early for a brand new engine or the costs outweighed the benefits 3 years ago.
OldAsUrSock
Banned
Will probably be better than Reach but that robot looks so much like metal gear and I wonder if these are actual in-game shots since the trailers and pics from Halo Reach were not.
http://tinyurl.com/7f439jy
http://tinyurl.com/7f439jy
Ya, I understand why you'd want to skip this one. Really.
There is almost a entire year of development between each footage.
btw, there is a ton of in-game footage already.
When graphic crowns are challenged, the rage starts a growing.
It's amazing to see what can be wrangled out of ancient hardware, when it's given big-time talent and a bazillion dollars. This looks really, really impressive.